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It just dawned on me while listening to State of the Game from yesterday... Why do people keep talking about Geoff being the "face" of the league? The league will be all about the players, and yes, he is a player, but he won't be the face of the league unless he ends up being far and wide the best player there is. LeBron James and Kobe Bryant are the ones you recognize when you hear talk about the NBA. Geoff might end up being the Charles Barkley (in the best way possible) of the NASL. He's hilarious, used to play at an extremely high level, etc.
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On February 24 2011 05:51 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:48 ShadowLegacy wrote:On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it. Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down. The ignorence in this post is astounding. How does making NASL hurt the E-Sports community ? Please enlighten me ? Offering 100,000 per season in cash prizes hurts e-sports ? Trying to create a high quality spectating sport hurts e-sports ? Holding an open that allows no names to get in hurts e-sports ? Making sure the largest amount of pro and "average" gamers can benefit the league hurts e-sports ? Come on, ain't no one buying what you're selling. The posts he is responding to pretty much require the answers given. You can beat a troll with a broom, you have to beat it with a bat. Sponsors want publicity, good or bad, they can handle incontrols sarcasm and bluntness. Grow a thicker hide and walk on by please. Maybe I worded it poorly. I meant Incontrol acting the way he does is only hurting NASL (which is trying to help E-Sports). NASL won't be more than just a normal tournament with extreme payouts unless there is more professionalism. They want to help grow E-Sports, not become just another tournament.
Incontrol countless hours of volunteering to the community and giving me hours of entertainment and information about a game I've enjoyed and working towards trying to grow the North American scene for Starcraft is the reason why I'm going be watching the NASL. Cause I believe Incontrol and all the guys at GosuCoaching will work to improve the NASL and try to give the best product they can and they will learn how to address the issues as NASL goes on.
Why is everyone so short memory? This is new stuff, GSL's production was awful the first season. The casting was questionable at times, camera control awful(remember staring at the bottom left corner of Xel Naga?), interviews felt awkward and the players were still in the KESPA mindset of not showing any emotions. NASL will not be perfect when it launch but it will be pretty good and worth the $25 dollars, there will be a free stream and you can wait and judge it for yourself. It will need consumer feedback to improve, just like the GSL need a lot of feedback to improve.
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What is there to ask, it's going to be awesome and huge!
All I'm worried about is whether I'm able to fork the $$ in time to buy the premium access.
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I'm all for a badass gigantic north american esports starcraft godzilla orgasm league, but i am mildly concerned about the way this is being presented to us.
Maybe it's just because the people running NASL are more close with the community and we get to hear their voice more, but I haven't had this feeling of having something stuffed down my throat from other organizations like MLG and GSL.
People voice concerns about various issues and all we're getting is "no, it's better this way. You're wrong." Incontrol responding to people's valid concerns with satire is frustrating at best. These people have legitimate concerns because they want this to be as good as it can possibly be and instead of addressing them (which you clearly have time to do), you quote them and make a joke.
I mean really... starting a post with "dear random gaming forum poster" is... unbelievable. You just dehumanized and alienated every single person that isn't a "starcraft celebrity" on these boards. You might play at semantics but anyone with half a brain can understand the tone of your post and see how it shows your perspective.
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On February 24 2011 06:22 GeeseHoward wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:51 ImHuko wrote:On February 24 2011 05:48 ShadowLegacy wrote:On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it. Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down. The ignorence in this post is astounding. How does making NASL hurt the E-Sports community ? Please enlighten me ? Offering 100,000 per season in cash prizes hurts e-sports ? Trying to create a high quality spectating sport hurts e-sports ? Holding an open that allows no names to get in hurts e-sports ? Making sure the largest amount of pro and "average" gamers can benefit the league hurts e-sports ? Come on, ain't no one buying what you're selling. The posts he is responding to pretty much require the answers given. You can beat a troll with a broom, you have to beat it with a bat. Sponsors want publicity, good or bad, they can handle incontrols sarcasm and bluntness. Grow a thicker hide and walk on by please. Maybe I worded it poorly. I meant Incontrol acting the way he does is only hurting NASL (which is trying to help E-Sports). NASL won't be more than just a normal tournament with extreme payouts unless there is more professionalism. They want to help grow E-Sports, not become just another tournament. Incontrol countless hours of volunteering to the community and giving me hours of entertainment and information about a game I've enjoyed and working towards trying to grow the North American scene for Starcraft is the reason why I'm going be watching the NASL. Cause I believe Incontrol and all the guys at GosuCoaching will work to improve the NASL and try to give the best product they can and they will learn how to address the issues as NASL goes on. Why is everyone so short memory? This is new stuff, GSL's production was awful the first season. The casting was questionable at times, camera control awful(remember staring at the bottom left corner of Xel Naga?), interviews felt awkward and the players were still in the KESPA mindset of not showing any emotions. NASL will not be perfect when it launch but it will be pretty good and worth the $25 dollars, there will be a free stream and you can wait and judge it for yourself. It will need consumer feedback to improve, just like the GSL need a lot of feedback to improve.
Incontrols JOB is to fucking be in the community. Incontrol and many others are living the DREAM of being paid to play video games. To call it volunteer work is foolish.
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One of the greatest (probably THE greatest) announcements for SC2 in the West for players and fans alike and.. people are nitpicking it? Are you guys fucking serious? The tournament hasn't even started and iNcontrol is already hurting e-sports, repelling and shaming sponsors?
It might just be me but I think there is a slight possibility that iNcontrol might just be a slightly well known person in SC2, who if anything can bring viewers and get them hyped, this so called 100% politically correct professionalism in a TL thread be damned.
I'm sorry but I just don't get how anyone can jump to the conclusion that he's "hurting e-sports". Fucking ludicrous. The biggest league in the West with the largest price pool couldn't become "just another tournament", even if BigT was casting it.
If you're so worried about the "face of e-sports" get your own face up there and show people how you help "grow the professional e-sports scene", because clearly all of you know better than the organizers of the biggest league in the West.
Yes, I'm slightly angered.
+ Show Spoiler +Do want to clarify that I'm not ranting about actual feedback, e.g "I believe rule X should be tweaked because Y", that if anything should be here. It's just the people who're already putting the league down as something that'll hurt SC2 that I find quite mind boggling.
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On February 24 2011 06:26 SiguR wrote:
I'm all for a badass gigantic north american esports starcraft godzilla orgasm league, but i am mildly concerned about the way this is being presented to us.
Maybe it's just because the people running NASL are more close with the community and we get to hear their voice more, but I haven't had this feeling of having something stuffed down my throat from other organizations like MLG and GSL.
People voice concerns about various issues and all we're getting is "no, it's better this way. You're wrong." Incontrol responding to people's valid concerns with satire is frustrating at best. These people have legitimate concerns because they want this to be as good as it can possibly be and instead of addressing them (which you clearly have time to do), you quote them and make a joke.
I mean really... starting a post with "dear random gaming forum poster" is... unbelievable. You just dehumanized and alienated every single person that isn't a "starcraft celebrity" on these boards. You might play at semantics but anyone with half a brain can understand the tone of your post and see how it shows your perspective.
I agree with this post completely. If you expect players to be professional in the league then I expect the same from the people running it. Many responses so far have been far from it.
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Can you (Xeris) clarify the position on Korean invitations? It's now clear that there is no fixed cap, but it still sounds like you're going to purposely not have too many. Will Koreans applying to the tournament be given equal consideration regardless of nationality? I fully understand that Koreans are not the undisputed kings of sc2 the way they were in brood war, but I think everyone would agree that all members of OGS, ST, IM, etc. are above most of the players on all but 3 or 4 foreign teams. If the good Korean teams all have their top 5 players apply, are we going to see 20+ Koreans? I'm asking because the language I'm seeing seems to imply that there is still some sort of soft cap, maybe not with any official particular number cutoff, but where there's no chance that there are going to be huge numbers of Korean invites.
(I'm not trying to be judgmental here. I would have no problem with you saying this is a western league and Koreans won't be allowed to compete. I just want their to be a clear standard, rather than everything being left extremely vague and then decided in some unknown way in secret by three people at NASL.)
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On February 23 2011 18:45 FaZ- wrote:
A simple question/potential problem area:
The thing I'm most worried about right now is oversaturation. You're proud that you'll be casting every game, and that's probably a good thing... at the start. Having ~15 hours of StarCraft 2 per week to watch just to keep on top of one league, though, will become a significant issue. Add in GSL, team leagues, MLG, anything else, and that's getting incredibly out of hand to follow.
Since you seem to have the schedule very ironed out and definitive, I think the proper solution is to hire someone to make ~15 minute videos recapping the highlights of each night. A "StarCenter," if you will. I'm a big fan of SC2 and I keep up pretty well with high level play and GSL, but there's no possible way that I can invest that much time into watching the league and still play the game at a reasonable level and have a life.
Imagine if your favorite football team had a game every day. That's essentially what this will be, unless you choose to only watch your favorite players, and that's unexciting because a lot of the best games are by not-so touted evenly matched players.
A) We're going to have a news show.
B) Most of the fans of SC2 are casual gamers who prefer watching to playing.
Would be great if NASL could support JP's daily show and add the daily recap there as the official daily recap, as opposed to developing something separate.
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On February 24 2011 05:52 ShadowLegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:51 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 24 2011 05:48 ShadowLegacy wrote:On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it. Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down. The ignorence in this post is astounding. How does making NASL hurt the E-Sports community ? Please enlighten me ? Offering 100,000 per season in cash prizes hurts e-sports ? Trying to create a high quality spectating sport hurts e-sports ? Holding an open that allows no names to get in hurts e-sports ? Making sure the largest amount of pro and "average" gamers can benefit the league hurts e-sports ? Come on, ain't no one buying what you're selling. The posts he is responding to pretty much require the answers given. You can beat a troll with a broom, you have to beat it with a bat. Sponsors want publicity, good or bad, they can handle incontrols sarcasm and bluntness. Grow a thicker hide and walk on by please. Sponsors most definitely do not want bad publicity. What sponsors are you talking to that do? Sponsors want their names out there. They would prefer good don't get me wrong. Bad was the wrong word to use.
Bad publicity works for Hollywood, this isn't Hollywood. We are trying to GROW E-Sports, it will never grow with BAD publicity.
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Just the fact that the NASL even exists is a general trend upward for e-sports, and saying InControl could actually have a net negative effect (on e-sports or the NASL in general? I can't imagine) is probably wrong. I think he'll do a fine job.
The only way he'd hurt the NASL is if people stopped watching because of him; but i'm pretty sure i'll be watching at least, and if his stream numbers are any indication, enough people like him to not be a detriment to the NASL, lol.
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Wow, this thread got ugly pretty fast. I'm new to the SC community and thought it was pretty friggin awesome....at first. Now it just seems like people will HATE on anything and everything. I could make a post about how awesome TL posters are, only to have it turn into a 20 page argument thread about who is more awesome.
As far as some of the issues with the new league, I'll agree on some points.
The show match, announcement trailer, and website all seemed rather amateurish. Then again, these things will improve vastly over the coming months I'm sure. Give it time.
Incontrol will be incontrol. Its like Manny being Manny (Baseball slugger Manny Ramirez for all you nerds our there.) Take him for what he is, and if you can't handle it look the other way.
Why is it a big deal to limit Koreans in this tournament? First off you don't even know how many Korean's will WANT to come to the US and compete in the finals. Also, Korean gamers are supported by a different culture. I want to see the best WESTERN players duke it out in a big WESTERN sc2 league. Watch GSL for Korean players, no?
Korean culture supports their 12 hour a day practice marathons and team houses. When American/European players are given the same opportunity (i.e. team houses with 20 computers and 60hr practice weeks) - then I'd like to see a Korean/western mixed tournament. Until then it just seems unfair to throw our pro gamers up against the Koreans who do nothing but play SC2 all day every day. A lot of western players, if not most, do sc2 alongside a normal job or daily responsibility, unlike most Korean professionals.
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Sheeesh, I go AFK for a couple of days and incontrol announces a 100.000 dollar league? And people are ALREADY bitching about it?
Let's face it, Incontrol is not exactly "politically correct" and he has a habit of stepping on people's sometimes sore feet, but if the casts are good, if the games are good and most of all if the viewer counts spike in the tens of thousands, then this league WILL get sponsors and this WILL be a huge step forward for western eSports.
Question for the man: how will you handle laggy games? Because it WILL happen in Bnet 2.0 when playing from different continents.
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On February 24 2011 06:44 RevRich wrote:
Korean culture supports their 12 hour a day practice marathons and team houses. When American/European players are given the same opportunity (i.e. team houses with 20 computers and 60hr practice weeks) - then I'd like to see a Korean/western mixed tournament. Until then it just seems unfair to throw our pro gamers up against the Koreans who do nothing but play SC2 all day every day. A lot of western players, if not most, do sc2 alongside a normal job or daily responsibility, unlike most Korean professionals.
Why do you care more about the nationality of the players than their skill? Should IdrA not be allowed to participate since he had those practice opportunities for a long time, and probably will continue to have them in the US?
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Hi! Will there be any prize or trophy or something for the best performing team?
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Revrich - people put up with "manny being manny" because he's a great baseball player. Who is incontrol? An average sc player, an average caster. He is a very good shit talker though - i'll give him that!
I will be boycotting NASL until incontrol is no longer associated with them.
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On February 24 2011 04:25 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:23 -Archangel- wrote:On February 24 2011 03:26 Xeris wrote:What counts as a "team" for purposes of eligibility? If I decided I wanted to start a team and I was the only member would I be eligible? What if I convinced some friends to also list themselves as members? I've already defined what a team is multiple times. A team is a recognized entity that has player(s) playing under a single banner, has a website, and is able to support their player(s) financially. So yes, if you decided you wanted to start a team and you got your friends together in that team, you'd be eligible! Is everyone who is eligible to play going to be accepted? No. So, does someone like DuckloadRa (WhiteRa) qualify to be a part of NASL? Or will he need to "get a team" as (I think) InControl said in the last State of the Game? White-Ra qualifies, as I said before. DuckLoad qualifies per our definition of what a team is.
I'm confused. In the State of the Game around 57:00 this was said:
What happens to people that dont have a team? Look at someone like whitera who is kinda self-sponsored. Is he going to have to get a team to participate in the NASL?
Yeah. I mean if you are a great basketball player, you could yell at the NBA for not letting you play but you should probably be talking to the teams if you're really that good and get on the team to play in the NBA.
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On February 24 2011 06:29 vyyye wrote:One of the greatest (probably THE greatest) announcements for SC2 in the West for players and fans alike and.. people are nitpicking it? Are you guys fucking serious? The tournament hasn't even started and iNcontrol is already hurting e-sports, repelling and shaming sponsors? It might just be me but I think there is a slight possibility that iNcontrol might just be a slightly well known person in SC2, who if anything can bring viewers and get them hyped, this so called 100% politically correct professionalism in a TL thread be damned. I'm sorry but I just don't get how anyone can jump to the conclusion that he's "hurting e-sports". Fucking ludicrous. The biggest league in the West with the largest price pool couldn't become "just another tournament", even if BigT was casting it. If you're so worried about the "face of e-sports" get your own face up there and show people how you help "grow the professional e-sports scene", because clearly all of you know better than the organizers of the biggest league in the West. Yes, I'm slightly angered. + Show Spoiler +Do want to clarify that I'm not ranting about actual feedback, e.g "I believe rule X should be tweaked because Y", that if anything should be here. It's just the people who're already putting the league down as something that'll hurt SC2 that I find quite mind boggling.
Until the sponsors are announced, I am under the impression it from a couple wealthy gamers. Just because the money is insanely high, doesn't mean anything. If the sponsors were Coke and Gamestop, sure it would help grow e-sports, but since they don't want to be announced right now, I doubt it is anything BIG that would help grow.
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i heard a poker player with the initials D.N. is sponsoring this
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Why are we arguing about sponsors? Sponsors are a means to an end. The point of having sponsors is to be able to host major tournaments like this that allow people to play seriously. Obviously they're going to try to get sponsors as this goes, but there's nothing controversial about it. It's not like they've said they're morally opposed to sponsors. It's not going to make the league worse.
I've raised a bunch of concerns about this league, and I am worried about the way they're (not) being addressed, but I raise these concerns because they're things where I'm worried the people running NASL are doing things in a fundamentally unwise way. In cases where they're obviously trying their best to do the intelligent thing, get off their backs and let them work on it.
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