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On February 24 2011 05:48 ShadowLegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it. Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down. The ignorence in this post is astounding. How does making NASL hurt the E-Sports community ? Please enlighten me ? Offering 100,000 per season in cash prizes hurts e-sports ? Trying to create a high quality spectating sport hurts e-sports ? Holding an open that allows no names to get in hurts e-sports ? Making sure the largest amount of pro and "average" gamers can benefit the league hurts e-sports ? Come on, ain't no one buying what you're selling. The posts he is responding to pretty much require the answers given. You can beat a troll with a broom, you have to beat it with a bat. Sponsors want publicity, good or bad, they can handle incontrols sarcasm and bluntness. Grow a thicker hide and walk on by please.
Sponsors most definitely do not want bad publicity. What sponsors are you talking to that do?
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On February 24 2011 05:48 Odoakar wrote:
My feelings are that this NASL league just seems too much amateurish. It's just seems like few guys underestimating effort and skills needed to run and manage something of such scale.
I probably won't watch it. GSL is quite enough.
This here, what give you the idea it's amateursih ? Sure the first cast was kinda bleh but you can't sit there and assume improvements wont be made even after some Q&A's were answered.
They have organized every aspect of NASL even going through legal matters and yet they are amateurs ? Come on. If you are going to troll wear a hat.
Go find the interview Geoff had concerning NASL.
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On February 24 2011 05:48 ShadowLegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it. Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down. The ignorence in this post is astounding. How does making NASL hurt the E-Sports community ? Please enlighten me ? Offering 100,000 per season in cash prizes hurts e-sports ? Trying to create a high quality spectating sport hurts e-sports ? Holding an open that allows no names to get in hurts e-sports ? Making sure the largest amount of pro and "average" gamers can benefit the league hurts e-sports ? Come on, ain't no one buying what you're selling. The posts he is responding to pretty much require the answers given. You can beat a troll with a broom, you have to beat it with a bat. Sponsors want publicity, good or bad, they can handle incontrols sarcasm and bluntness. Grow a thicker hide and walk on by please.
Maybe I worded it poorly. I meant Incontrol acting the way he does is only hurting NASL (which is trying to help E-Sports). NASL won't be more than just a normal tournament with extreme payouts unless there is more professionalism. They want to help grow E-Sports, not become just another tournament.
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LIVE Games?: There are many technical issues with a live broadcast related to stream quality.
When we stream a game live with in-studio footage, we must choose between the quality of production and the smoothness of the show all according to a budget that allows for such a prize pool.
If we were to do the show completely live, we would have to cut a lot of our transitional effects which give us the "wow" factor.
That is beyond horrible. What shocks me more that this comes from SCBW crowd. We used to wake up in the middle of the night to watch korean broadcasts and now LIVE is apparently a burden?
Besides I think the "clash of the titans" proved that a delayed broadcast actually brings as many of its own issues as does LIVE.
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Canada55 Posts
On February 24 2011 05:51 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:48 ShadowLegacy wrote:On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it. Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down. The ignorence in this post is astounding. How does making NASL hurt the E-Sports community ? Please enlighten me ? Offering 100,000 per season in cash prizes hurts e-sports ? Trying to create a high quality spectating sport hurts e-sports ? Holding an open that allows no names to get in hurts e-sports ? Making sure the largest amount of pro and "average" gamers can benefit the league hurts e-sports ? Come on, ain't no one buying what you're selling. The posts he is responding to pretty much require the answers given. You can beat a troll with a broom, you have to beat it with a bat. Sponsors want publicity, good or bad, they can handle incontrols sarcasm and bluntness. Grow a thicker hide and walk on by please. Sponsors most definitely do not want bad publicity. What sponsors are you talking to that do?
Sponsors want their names out there. They would prefer good don't get me wrong. Bad was the wrong word to use.
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On February 23 2011 19:42 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 19:09 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 19:02 m3rciless wrote:
The stance on koreans participating is somewhat worrying to me. By not allowing koreans in, or making it difficult for them to participate, I think there will increasingly be the sense that NASL is the AHL to GSL's NHL. Even if the foreigners are competitive with the best koreans, which im sure some will be, without head to head confrontation this reputation will be hard to shake. Is this something the league has considered or sees a legitimate concern? The GSL makes it very difficult for foreigners to compete in it, I don't really see the difference. And why would we just assume that the GSL is synonymous to the NHL? Again, if we actually look at neutral tournaments that have had Koreans & Foreigners playing in it, we've seen that: a) Koreans are not invincible b) Foreigners might actually be as good or better than MOST Koreans. - Koreans were beaten by foreigners at Blizzcon - Koreans couldn't even make top 3 at Dreamhack - Idra & Jinro repeatedly beat Koreans in the GSL (the only foreigners in Code S have been successful repeatedly). Again. People misrepresent the strength of Koreans. They don't realize that it's really difficult for a foreigner to just be immediately successful in Korea. Starcraft isn't a game where you can just play on a whim at a high level. If you just moved to Korea from your home and have to adjust quickly to a completely different way of life, there's no way you're going to compete well against players who live & practice in a Korean environment. Was Jinro successful in GSL 1 and 2? Nope... he wasn't used to Korea yet. How about IdrA? He did nothing for 1 year in Korea as he was getting used to the lifestyle. Once Jinro had a few months to acclimate himself to the lifestyle, he's consistently a top 5 player in Korea. IdrA is also one of the top players in Korea. So: 2 of the 2 foreigners who have been in Korea for an extended period of time have been hugely successful in GSL. That's a 100% success rate. Give any top foreigner 3-4 months and I can guarantee they will be in Code S and successful. Just watch how Ret and HuK will perform in the next GSL (this season they probably won't do so well, but I can almost guarantee they will dominate next season). With all due respect Xeris. "The GSL makes it very difficult for foreigners to compete in it, I don't really see the difference"and having a hard "korean cap" is not the same thing. But just having the stance "korean cap" is evidence enough that the organizers knows that if they don't have the cap the koreans will actually have the dedication and participate in NASL and probably roflstomp most of the field. The koreans doesn't have a cap for foreigners do they? They have the tournament in a studio which is the format they choose. And you choose a different format, thats fine. But even though you have an online part of the tournament you have the "korean cap" which is nothing short of you admitting that GSL is the crown jewel and you want to limit the S-players participation in favor of giving some "weaker" players in westerrn a chance to have their own leauge. I am completely fine with that also, giving other players the chance other than the top korean players. What I am not fine with is: 1. Having a korean cap 2. And at the same time you and others arguing that "no, the GSL s-class players, mostly koreans, aren't the best. We just want a different e-sports league and thats why we make a cap, not because we think our players would get roflstomped". Why me and lot of others want "the no cap" format is because we want to see the best of the best duke out whether this be in Korea, US, Australia or somewhere in Africa. It's not because we have some crush on koreans.
This post really hit the nail on the head for me.
I cannot disagree more with any sort of a statement about growing a "western e-sports scene". When the general consensus should be growing e-sports in general. Fans don't stay up till 3 in the morning to watch their favorite foreigners. They stay up till 3 in the morning to watch their favorite foreigner in the most competitive Starcraft 2 League in the world. I'm sorry but if we're still seeing a pure Foreigner tournament in the NASL. The appeal will be less and less each year. Not only will there need to be Koreans, but RESPECTED, top notch Koreans, the same idea that we send our best (Idra, Jinro, Ret) to Korea. I would expect to see the best of the Koreans.
WE WANT TO SEE THE GAP BRIDGED BETWEEN KOREA AND FOREIGNERS.
So if that means seeing 4 Koreans in the final 16 LAN (assuming they make it that far), that means it's a gonna be one hell of a damn good tournament. Can you imagine the hype of hearing of MVP or Nestea competing against Foreigners in a LAN outside of Korea. You would be taking the GSL and switching it on them instead of a 29 Koreans to 3 Foreigners, you'd be looking at the opposite. Even footing, in America, (outside of their comfort zone as Xersies has been saying, reference to foreigners going to Korea).
Another idea to ponder:
Talk to GoMTV, see if you can set up some sort of a once a year tourney taking the best 10 players from each league and pitting them against each other. Switch venues each year, first in America, next year in Korea. You want to talk about hype... there's where you viewer ship will go through the roof, assuming foreigners can compete.
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On February 24 2011 05:48 ShadowLegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it. Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down. The ignorence in this post is astounding. How does making NASL hurt the E-Sports community ? Please enlighten me ? Offering 100,000 per season in cash prizes hurts e-sports ? Trying to create a high quality spectating sport hurts e-sports ? Holding an open that allows no names to get in hurts e-sports ? Making sure the largest amount of pro and "average" gamers can benefit the league hurts e-sports ? Come on, ain't no one buying what you're selling. The posts he is responding to pretty much require the answers given. You can beat a troll with a broom, you have to beat it with a bat. Sponsors want publicity, good or bad, they can handle incontrols sarcasm and bluntness. Grow a thicker hide and walk on by please.
No name not "no names" there is only 1 spot for the open tournament.
Largest amount of pros and "average" overrated sponsored gamers.
This is not Hollywood nobody want bad publicity special around sports.
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On February 24 2011 05:51 ShadowLegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:48 Odoakar wrote:
My feelings are that this NASL league just seems too much amateurish. It's just seems like few guys underestimating effort and skills needed to run and manage something of such scale.
I probably won't watch it. GSL is quite enough. This here, what give you the idea it's amateursih ? Sure the first cast was kinda bleh but you can't sit there and assume improvements wont be made even after some Q&A's were answered. They have organized every aspect of NASL even going through legal matters and yet they are amateurs ? Come on. If you are going to troll wear a hat. Go find the interview Geoff had concerning NASL.
Their explanation of the rules of their own tournament is not coherent and there are quite a few contradictory statements so far. The website looks like an amateurs work. The test stream was awful, and Incontrol and Gretorp sitting in their T-Shirts/hoodies in front of the black screen looked amateurish.
Announcing a prize money but not saying anything about sponsors seems amateurish.
Incontrol, who is pretty much a spokesperson for the league being his old self, bashing people left and right. I found it extremely funny to hear Idra last night talking about how SC2 is an awful game, almost to the point of saying he hates the game, while Incontrol, the man who's just starting a big tournament is together with him in the cast and not saying anything. Just found it a bit ironic.
The format seems not well thought through, with a 5 man limit on players, which so far no one from community supports. It's not like Tyler will say 'you 5 go and compete, I won't, if one of you wins I'm sure you'll give me percentage of the money'. No, it's not a team league, it's 1v1 league where every player plays for himself. Discrediting players just because their team has a lot of strong players is idiotic at least.
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On February 24 2011 05:57 Odoakar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:51 ShadowLegacy wrote:On February 24 2011 05:48 Odoakar wrote:
My feelings are that this NASL league just seems too much amateurish. It's just seems like few guys underestimating effort and skills needed to run and manage something of such scale.
I probably won't watch it. GSL is quite enough. This here, what give you the idea it's amateursih ? Sure the first cast was kinda bleh but you can't sit there and assume improvements wont be made even after some Q&A's were answered. They have organized every aspect of NASL even going through legal matters and yet they are amateurs ? Come on. If you are going to troll wear a hat. Go find the interview Geoff had concerning NASL. Their explanation of the rules of their own tournament is not coherent and there are quite a few contradictory statements so far. The website looks like an amateurs work. The test stream was awful, and Incontrol and Gretorp sitting in their T-Shirts/hoodies in front of the black screen looked amateurish.
Announcing a prize money but not saying anything about sponsors seems amateurish.The format seems not well thought through, with a 5 man limit on players, which so far no one from community supports. It's not like Tyler will say 'you 5 go and compete, I won't, if one of you wins I'm sure you'll give me percentage of the money. No, it's not a team league, it's 1v1 league where every player plays for himself. Discrediting players just because their team has a lot of strong players is idiotic at least.
I believe on state of the game incontrol said that the sponsors didn't want to be known yet. He can correct me if I am wrong but i'm pretty sure thats what he said on state of the game last night ^_^.
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I'm kinda worried with so much money per season that it's going to run out too fast.
I don't know if you can keep up throwing 100k/200k per season for a long period of time, if that's the case then awesome.
But if not, I'd much rather see the money get spread over a longer period of time, such as 50k per season to have twice the seasons if the 400k is the cap.
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if a team sends 5 players who all do well enough to stay in the league and then a 6th member of their team places top 4 in the open qualifier will that team now be allowed to have all 6 of those players in the league the following season?
Also if a player without a team places top 4 in the open qualifier will they be able to compete the next season without joining a team?
What happens if a player in the league changes teams either mid season or between seasons to a team that already has 5 players on it?
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How do you plan to deal with people spoiling the results before the game is broadcasted? It's not hard to look at players' match history to see if they won or lost certain custom games. What's to stop people from finding out the winners and posting the results online?
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That would be a problem if they only played 1 game a day.....
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Are you interested in donation/work ? For example, i do motion graphic design and would love to help out on video production/motion graphic design. Already tried to contact some people on NASL but i didn't got a response unfortunately.
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Sponsors want publicity, good or bad.
This is completely false. Manufacturing franchises that sell products or services DO NOT want BAD publicity.
They are not celebrities, this is not a reality show. They are not getting air time simply because people love to hate them, these are businesses that are trying to make money.
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On February 24 2011 06:04 orotoss wrote:
How do you plan to deal with people spoiling the results before the game is broadcasted? It's not hard to look at players' match history to see if they won or lost certain custom games. What's to stop people from finding out the winners and posting the results online?
On SotG Russ or Geoff said, they are aware of the issue and are looking for solutions, possibly dummy accounts.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 24 2011 05:53 LeFroMaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 19:42 papaz wrote:On February 23 2011 19:09 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 19:02 m3rciless wrote:
The stance on koreans participating is somewhat worrying to me. By not allowing koreans in, or making it difficult for them to participate, I think there will increasingly be the sense that NASL is the AHL to GSL's NHL. Even if the foreigners are competitive with the best koreans, which im sure some will be, without head to head confrontation this reputation will be hard to shake. Is this something the league has considered or sees a legitimate concern? The GSL makes it very difficult for foreigners to compete in it, I don't really see the difference. And why would we just assume that the GSL is synonymous to the NHL? Again, if we actually look at neutral tournaments that have had Koreans & Foreigners playing in it, we've seen that: a) Koreans are not invincible b) Foreigners might actually be as good or better than MOST Koreans. - Koreans were beaten by foreigners at Blizzcon - Koreans couldn't even make top 3 at Dreamhack - Idra & Jinro repeatedly beat Koreans in the GSL (the only foreigners in Code S have been successful repeatedly). Again. People misrepresent the strength of Koreans. They don't realize that it's really difficult for a foreigner to just be immediately successful in Korea. Starcraft isn't a game where you can just play on a whim at a high level. If you just moved to Korea from your home and have to adjust quickly to a completely different way of life, there's no way you're going to compete well against players who live & practice in a Korean environment. Was Jinro successful in GSL 1 and 2? Nope... he wasn't used to Korea yet. How about IdrA? He did nothing for 1 year in Korea as he was getting used to the lifestyle. Once Jinro had a few months to acclimate himself to the lifestyle, he's consistently a top 5 player in Korea. IdrA is also one of the top players in Korea. So: 2 of the 2 foreigners who have been in Korea for an extended period of time have been hugely successful in GSL. That's a 100% success rate. Give any top foreigner 3-4 months and I can guarantee they will be in Code S and successful. Just watch how Ret and HuK will perform in the next GSL (this season they probably won't do so well, but I can almost guarantee they will dominate next season). With all due respect Xeris. "The GSL makes it very difficult for foreigners to compete in it, I don't really see the difference"and having a hard "korean cap" is not the same thing. But just having the stance "korean cap" is evidence enough that the organizers knows that if they don't have the cap the koreans will actually have the dedication and participate in NASL and probably roflstomp most of the field. The koreans doesn't have a cap for foreigners do they? They have the tournament in a studio which is the format they choose. And you choose a different format, thats fine. But even though you have an online part of the tournament you have the "korean cap" which is nothing short of you admitting that GSL is the crown jewel and you want to limit the S-players participation in favor of giving some "weaker" players in westerrn a chance to have their own leauge. I am completely fine with that also, giving other players the chance other than the top korean players. What I am not fine with is: 1. Having a korean cap 2. And at the same time you and others arguing that "no, the GSL s-class players, mostly koreans, aren't the best. We just want a different e-sports league and thats why we make a cap, not because we think our players would get roflstomped". Why me and lot of others want "the no cap" format is because we want to see the best of the best duke out whether this be in Korea, US, Australia or somewhere in Africa. It's not because we have some crush on koreans. This post really hit the nail on the head for me. I cannot disagree more with any sort of a statement about growing a "western e-sports scene". When the general consensus should be growing e-sports in general. Fans don't stay up till 3 in the morning to watch their favorite foreigners. They stay up till 3 in the morning to watch their favorite foreigner in the most competitive Starcraft 2 League in the world. I'm sorry but if we're still seeing a pure Foreigner tournament in the NASL. The appeal will be less and less each year. Not only will there need to be Koreans, but RESPECTED, top notch Koreans, the same idea that we send our best (Idra, Jinro, Ret) to Korea. I would expect to see the best of the Koreans. WE WANT TO SEE THE GAP BRIDGED BETWEEN KOREA AND FOREIGNERS. So if that means seeing 4 Koreans in the final 16 LAN (assuming they make it that far), that means it's a gonna be one hell of a damn good tournament. Can you imagine the hype of hearing of MVP or Nestea competing against Foreigners in a LAN outside of Korea. You would be taking the GSL and switching it on them instead of a 29 Koreans to 3 Foreigners, you'd be looking at the opposite. Even footing, in America, (outside of their comfort zone as Xersies has been saying, reference to foreigners going to Korea). Another idea to ponder: Talk to GoMTV, see if you can set up some sort of a once a year tourney taking the best 10 players from each league and pitting them against each other. Switch venues each year, first in America, next year in Korea. You want to talk about hype... there's where you viewer ship will go through the roof, assuming foreigners can compete.
If Koreans do eventually outclass foreigners, then there will be no point in having a NASL that includes Koreans, because we might as well just rebroadcast the GSL. So your definition of "bridging the gap" would be meaningless. We, as fans, and supporters, can do absolutely nothing to bridge the gap between Korean and foreign skill. It is entirely up to the players. If Koreans do outclass foreigners, the beauty of the NASL will be that a league for foreigners still exists. And if the gap is bridged, then the NASL still works fine, because there will be a mix of great foreigner players and great Korean players
So your argument against this would probably be: "Who wants to watch second-rate players?" Well, you might not be familiar with the history of BW. The foreign scene was still quite popular, though of course nowhere near as popular as the Korean scene. Everyone knew that foreigners couldn't compete with the pros in Korea in BW, yet TSL, a tournament exclusively for foreigners, was incredibly successful. People will always enjoy watching their favorite players, whether they are the best or not. Just take a look at college basketball. People will support their team no matter what and still watch the games despite there being a professional league with better players: the NBA.
Also, I only stay up for GSL to watch foreigners or a Ro4 or higher match. 4am EST is pretty tough, especially on weekdays.
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Lots of people in this thread do not seem to understand that this is a North American Star League. It literally defeats the purpose of it being North American if you just fill it with Koreans because they are better. The GSL and NASL need to function as distinct entities.
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On February 24 2011 05:51 ShadowLegacy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:48 Odoakar wrote:
My feelings are that this NASL league just seems too much amateurish. It's just seems like few guys underestimating effort and skills needed to run and manage something of such scale.
I probably won't watch it. GSL is quite enough. This here, what give you the idea it's amateursih ? Sure the first cast was kinda bleh but you can't sit there and assume improvements wont be made even after some Q&A's were answered. Go find the interview Geoff had concerning NASL.
Yeah I mean, they say it's going to be great, so of course it's going to be great. I'm going to take their word for it.
It's okay the showmatch was a disaster, they never said that was going to be good or that they'd put any effort into that did they? The Windows Movie Maker quality announcement trailer followed by dead silence on the stream did not have a negative impact on the perception of them being able to produce good video content. They didn't try their best you know, the first impression isn't all that important anyway.
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On February 24 2011 05:45 Dystisis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:31 elmizzt wrote:On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it.Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down. I bolded all the parts of your post that are either baseless speculation or just flat out wrong. But the statements you highlighted are actually correct, though. If you think otherwise it's up to you to prove them wrong.
No, elmizzt was actually pretty spot on. The bolded text is either false, or just hyperbole. We can go over each bolded sentence if you want.
Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you.On November 24 2010 15:06 iNcontroL wrote:recording now. Will be uploaded after so it depends on when we finish. 2~3 hours most likely. Not belittling any one, so that one is false.
These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. While there is definitely no arguing that iNcontroL is where he is because of fans, but to say that every new voice that comes around to TL is partially responsible for his current status is exagerated at best, if not a flat out lie. File this under speculation.
This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". I assume this was bolded for use of the word "invitational", the rest is pretty accurate though and didn't need to be bolded.
You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it. Speculation. We don't have a real time ticker to show the current state of E-SPORTS that show the effect each of iNcontroL's statement has.
abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. This is probably the most false of them all. Any one who tunes into iNcontroL's stream knows what they're watching. It's like watching an edgy comedian and then complaining that he's being edgy. It's iNcontroL's personality that drives people to his stream, it's not broadcasted monetized abuse.
None of these things do companies want to invest in. Speculation. One could argue that iNcontroL's sometimes abrasives personality makes him stand out more in the community, and that companies would want someone who stands out. Again, either way it's speculation and was correctly bolded.
I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down. Yet more speculation. It's not "known" what iNcontroL needs to do. He's doing what he thinks he needs to do, and we'll see how it goes. Saying "he needs to do X" or "he needs to behave like Y" isn't a fact, it's speculation. Bolding warranted.
If you still think those statements are "actually correct", Dystisis, then "it's up to you to prove them [right]".
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