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On February 24 2011 04:50 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:41 Plexa wrote:On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 03:03 motioncity wrote:
i am extremely disappointed that this will not be live. that is part of the greatness of the GSL knowing that it is live and the x-factor that we can see live new strategies that have never been seen before. also the showmatch was great and all but it was very easy to tell that is was pre-recorded and if it had been any other two players in the world i probably would have not watched as the production value was not that great. i would much rather seen the loading screen with two players than know that im watching a replay. and i was planning on paying for the premium stream but knowing that it will not be live there is no way that i will pay to watch a stream of replays. kthxbye
edit: no high level quality of production will be worth the fact of it not being live. TSL Open's = not live TSL1-2 = Not live (not sure about 3 but, probably!) With stream cheating and us wanting to do production for the shows and cut the idle shit between matches you should know everything live SAVE FOR the actual broadcast = great Also santa doesn't exist. TSL was a live cast of replays as are the TL Opens Also Justin.TV has a built in delay server, and the idle bullshit between the matches is the same as every sport. In baseball you have to wait for conferences at the mound, batters warming up, pitchers switching, etc. Same for every sport. Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:40 winnningwpie wrote:
Didn't anyone listen to the reasoning behind not broadcasting the games live last night on SoTG. Tyler said it, as a player not someone running the league, that its obvious that if you broadcast the games as they're being casted then everyone is tempted to just listen to the broadcast as they play. I don't know about you guys but i'd rather not watch games when one or both players know everything thats going on because they're listening. You can't compare it to the GSL because all the GSL games are played in the studio. You hear a lot of teams and players say that they can't commit to playing in the GSL because they can't afford to move to Korea and not be able to play in as many other tournaments, by the NASL games being online it doesn't create this problem. If you want to say that then all the players should have to move to LA you're not gonna get nearly as great of a lineup as you will this way. Justin TV has a delay server so yea....
Thats why you need solid production. To make the way time enjoyable. It looks like NASL is preparing for it a bit (getting a video of players as a requirement to register) to introduce the players during wait time.
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On February 24 2011 04:24 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:19 OCsurfeR wrote:On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. An invitational is a singular event where all of the spots are chosen by the organizers. After the event is over everything resets and any subsequent events follow a similar pattern. That's not what the NASL is, so it's not an invitational. In a League there are fixed players (or teams) in multiple divisions and between seasons some players leave the league, others join the league and players occasionally move from team to team. So between "invitational" and "league" the NASL certainly more closely resembles a league. Technically it is invitational for the first season and a league after that.
Can you tell me where you're getting this from? I have asked several times and not gotten an answer. I would really like it to be completely non-invitational after the startup phase (worst performers each season replaced by the best performance in the open tournament or some other qualifier), but I haven't seen anything to that effect from the organizers. I know the 4 top players from the qualifier are getting spots, but I assume more than 4 people will change each season.
In general, I really want this to be treated like a serious sport, where the best people are given spots in the tournament, not a reality tv show where they try to pick people who are good, but only insofar as they also have interesting backstories, rivalries, a sense of humor, etc.
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On February 24 2011 04:41 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 03:03 motioncity wrote:
i am extremely disappointed that this will not be live. that is part of the greatness of the GSL knowing that it is live and the x-factor that we can see live new strategies that have never been seen before. also the showmatch was great and all but it was very easy to tell that is was pre-recorded and if it had been any other two players in the world i probably would have not watched as the production value was not that great. i would much rather seen the loading screen with two players than know that im watching a replay. and i was planning on paying for the premium stream but knowing that it will not be live there is no way that i will pay to watch a stream of replays. kthxbye
edit: no high level quality of production will be worth the fact of it not being live. TSL Open's = not live TSL1-2 = Not live (not sure about 3 but, probably!) With stream cheating and us wanting to do production for the shows and cut the idle shit between matches you should know everything live SAVE FOR the actual broadcast = great Also santa doesn't exist. TSL was a live cast of replays as are the TL Opens
Plexa people aren't upset that they aren't able to hear the words of the commentators in real time but rather that the games aren't being played in real time. The "live" argument is over when the games were played not when they were commentated.
PS: I played in all the TSLs and all of the TL opens except 1  Thank you though!
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I really dont think people are getting it, kinda makes me sad. They are watching / casting the games live and are doing a recording of it, why u might ask? because they will have 1day to encode / make it the best production vallue possible overlays/graphics etc. So when they broadcast it its pollished and looks so god dame good u wouldnt belive its online.
I dont get what the problems of this is , noone of us are gonna know the results since when we watch it it will be like a live broadcast...
Also adding the benefits of stream cheating > bye bye cant say enogh times ive watched streams of random toruneys when someone is doing something funky like dt rush etc, when suddenly out of the blue ehan timing missiile turrets overseers robos get dropped.
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On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional
Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it.
Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down.
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What is a team: A team is a recognized entity that has a website, player(s) playing under a single banner, and sponsor ability to support its players financially.
So that means a player like White-ra could make a website and be on a one man team? :o
He might not even be interested in NASL anyways since he's halfway around the world, but just wondering.
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On February 24 2011 05:04 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +What is a team: A team is a recognized entity that has a website, player(s) playing under a single banner, and sponsor ability to support its players financially. So that means a player like White-ra could make a website and be on a one man team? :o He might not even be interested in NASL anyways since he's halfway around the world, but just wondering.
You never know, White-Ra said in an interview that his chances of going to Korea are 50/50, with the NASL having a prize pool that rivals that of the GSL, I hope to see him in the NASL.
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Glad to hear that they will commentate live games. Was really worried when i was watching the showmatch.
Thanks for doing this for us.
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I find this completely acceptable. First, it absolutely cannot be broadcast "really live". Stream cheating is a reality. Even with a delay of like 10-20 seconds, players can cheat by tuning in and getting advance warning on tech switches and whatnot. This isn't ok. So we're at a point where you're going to be operating on a substantial delay. There's a ton of money on the line, they have to protect against things like that. That's absolutely a given.
Rather than just going with a moderate length delay of like 5m to 10m to an hour, NASL is taking advantage of the situation, and will be adding extra content in like interviews and backstory. They can actually show matches back to back to back without having to rely on funky time filling. They can get rid of the fluff, the technical problems, etc. It can look a lot more professional and streamlined. This makes it much easier to appeal to sponsors. Think Monitor Company X likes it when there's five minutes of deadtime because a monitor fails? The bottom line is that there isn't the infrastructure in place for people to fly into LA and live there full time for a league. They have to do some part of it online, with all the troubles that will bring. This will also allow players to continue competing in other leagues, and that's important for the scene, I think. They've made a decent compromise, in my opinion. Casting replays live still loses some of the "wow, live!" factor, but it still prevents you from adding all the production. I like it like this.
How will it impact the viewer? I don't think it will really impact me at all. The enthusiasm by the casters will still be there -- they are actually seeing it live. If they control the people with the information (so they don't leak results), it will still feel completely "live". But they'll be able to fit things together better to put out a better product. That's going to be awesome if they utilize the opportunity. What is so important about the magic word "live"?
The offline tournament will still be completely live, so it isn't like they will be crowning the champion one day and trying to keep it quiet overnight. That would kind of suck, but that is simply not in the cards. They're talking about a 2000 seat venue for the offline tourney. That will absolutely be broadcast live (right? I would think it would absolutely have to be).
It also seems to me that the presence of the NASL in the LA area seems a massive signal that television is a long-term goal for the league. Sporting events are able to be (generally) scheduled pretty easily because there are time limits to the games. Sure, some games go into overtime, but that's the exception, not the rule. In order to put SC2 on TV, I think that the sort of tape delay that NASL is talking about is a good way to make this possible. They can set aside a two hour block of time and be pretty sure that they can cut the games (or at least the pre-game/post-game fluff) to fit into that block.
And the final analysis is that we're going to be getting awesome games for free at higher than GOMtv quality in North American primetime. We don't have to stay up till 4am. That is going to be freaking off-the-chain cool. If you think about the NASL as a "program" as in "TV program", there just isn't a downside to this.
To add one more thing. Not that I like the show, but the reality TV show Survivor is typically concluded months before the final episode is aired on TV. Lots of people are still really excited to watch it.
I just literally do not see any sort of downside to this format.
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On February 24 2011 04:25 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:23 -Archangel- wrote:On February 24 2011 03:26 Xeris wrote:What counts as a "team" for purposes of eligibility? If I decided I wanted to start a team and I was the only member would I be eligible? What if I convinced some friends to also list themselves as members? I've already defined what a team is multiple times. A team is a recognized entity that has player(s) playing under a single banner, has a website, and is able to support their player(s) financially. So yes, if you decided you wanted to start a team and you got your friends together in that team, you'd be eligible! Is everyone who is eligible to play going to be accepted? No. So, does someone like DuckloadRa (WhiteRa) qualify to be a part of NASL? Or will he need to "get a team" as (I think) InControl said in the last State of the Game? White-Ra qualifies, as I said before. DuckLoad qualifies per our definition of what a team is.
Can you please delineate exactly what that definition is? I'm worried about the "sponsors ability to support its players financially" part from this:
What is a team: A team is a recognized entity that has a website, player(s) playing under a single banner, and sponsor ability to support its players financially.
Root doesn't have as many major sponsors as some other teams, does that mean they don't qualify?
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This site is great! the players who come here are great!
i love jinro huk tlo
Though i gotta say i love how nasl is aproaching players and teams
It is in teamliquids best interests to keep its strong players and get have al the sponsors it can get . It will keep wanting to live and get stronger . I have no problem with that .
Its only nature to keep wanting to grow and flourish. The same can be said for esports . Would feeding 1 team lead to stunting of growth of the esports scene? I dont know.
If u grow to big for your fish bowl , you'll not only end up belly up but the rest of the bowl suffers or dies as well.
Nasl plans on feeding all the goldfish in the bowl and its doing it as accommodating as possible. While still feeding the big teams ( the big gold fish) alittle extra ,but not to much.
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On February 24 2011 05:04 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +What is a team: A team is a recognized entity that has a website, player(s) playing under a single banner, and sponsor ability to support its players financially. So that means a player like White-ra could make a website and be on a one man team? :o He might not even be interested in NASL anyways since he's halfway around the world, but just wondering.
Xeris already stated that White-Ra would be allowed in the League
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so glad the number of koreans isnt limited! would be a huge shame if we didnt get the drama of "can non-koreans really compete with koreans?"
also, is europe considered at all? i know there where huge problems with the GSL in the beginning with VODs taking literally hours to load and the stream being unwatchable. i dont care much about the stream, but VODs shouldnt take too long to load imho
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On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it.Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down.
I bolded all the parts of your post that are either baseless speculation or just flat out wrong.
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The not live thing makes perfect since when you consider it allows overseas players to play at a reasonable hour. That's quite a courtesy.
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I have questions about the Open tournament. While I know this is going to be extremely difficult to win and probably going to cause a lot of excitement I was reading in the G4 interview that the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th placements get a seat in the next season is that correct? Another question is if the tournament is for everyone team or not, So if the 2nd, 3rd, 4th placement players are not on a team would they not be invited to the next season because they don't meet the criteria?
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On February 24 2011 05:31 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it.Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down. I bolded all the parts of your post that are either baseless speculation or just flat out wrong.
But the statements you highlighted are actually correct, though. If you think otherwise it's up to you to prove them wrong.
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On February 24 2011 05:31 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it.Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down. I bolded all the parts of your post that are either baseless speculation or just flat out wrong.
NASL.TV, go read About NASL.
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My feelings are that this NASL league just seems too much amateurish. It's just seems like few guys underestimating effort and skills needed to run and manage something of such scale.
I probably won't watch it. GSL is quite enough.
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On February 24 2011 05:03 ImHuko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:37 iNcontroL wrote:On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. + Show Spoiler +Koreans: We're not GSL. Bringing in all the Koreans will just make this event the GSL. We are focusing on the growth of Western ESPORTS, by providing players and storylines that are more relatable to our audience. That being said there is no CAP on the number of Koreans who are eligible to participate in this tournament. Lets face it, SC2 stories are "relatable to our audience" are upcoming SC2 players who aren't sponsored. I don't care about (just example from old thread) LzGamer, the guy whos been sponsored since SC:BW but hasn't done much in his SC2 career (maybe 1 win). I want to see Avilo (example) the guy who has been quitely placing well in every small tournament, beating pro/sponsored/famous players all the time, and aspiring to become a pro gamer with hard work and dedication. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. On February 24 2011 04:06 ImHuko wrote:I'll respond to this in depth. This league's success is highly dependent on us being able to adhere to a broadcast schedule. We need to have stuff playing every night. What happens when we let a random guy who's not in a team into the league: what if he does poorly and drops out? What if he's late every week and delays our broadcast? This ruins the league.
Having players on teams adds accountability and responsibility. If a team contracts a player to uphold some degree of professionalism, there is a much higher chance that they'll do their job. We can't just "trust" that a player not on a team will do all these things. A team can fund the player's trip to the LAN final, and pay the entry fee.
You have to realize, avilo, that this is much more than about simply playing the game well. There are many other factors to consider; we are looking at all of them, and you're only looking at the game. Requiring teams is a way to make sure that we will be able to run smoothly and professionally for the duration of the event. If you're good enough to beat the players in this league, you should get picked up by a team, or qualify through the open ! I haven't read entire thread but that is quite possibly the most bullshit I have ever read. I hoped to read this Q&A and feel better about this, but after reading that I am feeling worse. It now feels even more like the "keep the rich richer" than before. Skip the bullshit, you want the more known players (even if they aren't the best), I can respect that, but just fucking say it, stop beating around the bush. On February 24 2011 04:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Its an invitational. You shouldn't call it a league. On February 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
Also santa doesn't exist. Incontrol trolling in the thread of the "professional" league he is the face of. Professionalism at its finest. Dear ImHuko (random gaming forum poster) I just wanted to clarify, When I said "santa doesn't exist" what I intended to convey was he is not a literal human being that exists within the confines of our understanding of santa. Is it feasible for a man to maintain a girth and old age but still fit in chimney stacks while delivering presents world wide on a specific date? Does such a labor denote extra-normal activity? I would urge you to consider that these are in fact fabrications of truth and are intended to explain a "magical" moment for children and those of dull intellect. Santa Claus may or may not be the name of a man that once existed but as far as modern science is concerned his special abilities seem far too unlikely to be considered reasonably true. This can also be said about the easter bunny. That however does not take into account that Santa Claus can exist in our minds and hearts. Like the children, I imagine you were shocked to find I had so plainly dispelled what must have been a simple jack pleasure you indulged in. Knowing a fat bearded man delivered presents in red satin pajamas while breaking into your house was probably quite exciting. I apologize for dispelling that. I want to encourage you to consider that while he may not be a real human man he very well could be real in our hearts. Please accept my sincerest apologies for lacking the professionalism to realize your hopes and dreams resided with the obese patron saint of contortionism. Yours truly, Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson Face of NASLofficial spokesperson for all things serious and professional Every post you make intends to belittle people you feel are lower than you. These "random gaming forum poster" make your job possible, you wouldn't be in the spot you are right now without us. This invitational you are attempting to run will only succeed because of "random gaming forum posters". You have stepped into a role where you are one of the first people see/think about etc when they think of NASL. You want to help E-Sports in the west with NASL, but you at the moment are only hurting it. Lets say a big company wants to maybe sponsor NASL, but first they do research on the face of NASL, Incontrol. They look at SOTG, he talks trash and mocks people (I find it enjoyable). They watch your stream, talk shit and abuse viewers for profit using /commercial. None of these things do companies want to invest in. I am not saying you need to be fake, but just like Idra did when he joined EG, you need to tone it down.
The ignorence in this post is astounding. How does making NASL hurt the E-Sports community ? Please enlighten me ?
Offering 100,000 per season in cash prizes hurts e-sports ?
Trying to create a high quality spectating sport hurts e-sports ?
Holding an open that allows no names to get in hurts e-sports ?
Making sure the largest amount of pro and "average" gamers can benefit the league hurts e-sports ?
Come on, ain't no one buying what you're selling.
The posts he is responding to pretty much require the answers given. You can beat a troll with a broom, you have to beat it with a bat. Sponsors want publicity, good or bad, they can handle incontrols sarcasm and bluntness. Grow a thicker hide and walk on by please.
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