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[G] Comprehensive SC2 League and Ladder Guide - Page 68

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Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1077 Posts
January 10 2013 21:26 GMT
#1341
Hey so like - I just went 5-0 in my HOTS placements and got rank 100 bronze. What gives? Is this normal?
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
January 10 2013 22:44 GMT
#1342
On January 11 2013 06:26 Arghmyliver wrote:
Hey so like - I just went 5-0 in my HOTS placements and got rank 100 bronze. What gives? Is this normal?


You're rank 100 because you start with 0 points, 0 points puts you at the bottom of your division so that much is normal. Your league placement is determined by who you face in your placements, so if all you play are low-ranked players then you'll end up in a low rank yourself even if you win (but especially if you lose). That's decidedly less normal, but the amount of active players in the beta is quite a bit lower than in the live game.
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iPesT
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1 Post
January 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#1343
Love this, very informational. Now maybe my head won't hurt when I think the word Ladder...
Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1077 Posts
January 10 2013 22:49 GMT
#1344
On January 11 2013 07:44 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 06:26 Arghmyliver wrote:
Hey so like - I just went 5-0 in my HOTS placements and got rank 100 bronze. What gives? Is this normal?


You're rank 100 because you start with 0 points, 0 points puts you at the bottom of your division so that much is normal. Your league placement is determined by who you face in your placements, so if all you play are low-ranked players then you'll end up in a low rank yourself even if you win (but especially if you lose). That's decidedly less normal, but the amount of active players in the beta is quite a bit lower than in the live game.


Nice - so I got screwed because there weren't any high level players online? Maybe that's why my placements were so damn easy.
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
January 11 2013 01:46 GMT
#1345
On January 11 2013 07:49 Arghmyliver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 07:44 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On January 11 2013 06:26 Arghmyliver wrote:
Hey so like - I just went 5-0 in my HOTS placements and got rank 100 bronze. What gives? Is this normal?


You're rank 100 because you start with 0 points, 0 points puts you at the bottom of your division so that much is normal. Your league placement is determined by who you face in your placements, so if all you play are low-ranked players then you'll end up in a low rank yourself even if you win (but especially if you lose). That's decidedly less normal, but the amount of active players in the beta is quite a bit lower than in the live game.


Nice - so I got screwed because there weren't any high level players online? Maybe that's why my placements were so damn easy.


Not necessarily. It's possible (I'd say even likely) that placement was bugged when you placed, particularly on beta.

Also, last we checked, HOTS maintains separate matchmaking ratings for unranked and ranked play, and if you screwed around in unranked games (or left a lot of them) it may have used your unranked rating as an initial guess for your ranked rating. This could have matched you against much worse players than you should have been playing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
January 11 2013 01:53 GMT
#1346
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Dujek
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom276 Posts
January 20 2013 02:54 GMT
#1347
Today I won a lot of games in a row, and now I have been favoured against all my opponents for the last 7 or 8 games. Could someone explain why I am favoured? Shouldn't my MMR just start matching me up with equal opponents? My points are higher than the rest of my division now, but compared to other divisions I have really low points.
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
January 23 2013 07:01 GMT
#1348
On January 20 2013 11:54 Dujek wrote:
Today I won a lot of games in a row, and now I have been favoured against all my opponents for the last 7 or 8 games. Could someone explain why I am favoured? Shouldn't my MMR just start matching me up with equal opponents? My points are higher than the rest of my division now, but compared to other divisions I have really low points.


Your league point score increases faster than your MMR if you have a long record, so until you stabilize and MMR catches up, you'll be favored.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
January 26 2013 00:18 GMT
#1349
Is there a cap on how big bonus pool you can have, or can you accumalate bonus pool for like 6 weeks and then spend them all?
hundred thousand krouner
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
January 26 2013 01:54 GMT
#1350
On January 26 2013 09:18 Zheryn wrote:
Is there a cap on how big bonus pool you can have, or can you accumalate bonus pool for like 6 weeks and then spend them all?


The only cap is the length of the season, so the short answer is no. Of course, you couldn't skip 3 seasons' worth of time then start with 3 seasons' worth of bonus pool, you would only get as much bonus pool as the current season has accumulated.
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JacobNX01a
Profile Joined November 2012
United States65 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-26 22:06:37
January 26 2013 21:58 GMT
#1351
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Get outta here S.T.A.L.K.E.R.!!!!!
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
January 26 2013 22:07 GMT
#1352
Is there a known number for the point differential between masters and grandmasters? And is it different per server?
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-27 02:09:03
January 27 2013 02:07 GMT
#1353
On January 27 2013 07:07 Najda wrote:
Is there a known number for the point differential between masters and grandmasters? And is it different per server?


The value you're looking for is called the "offset." It is different per server, and the value changes every season based on the prior distribution's valuation of the 200th-best player. For example, in May 2012, the offset between Master and Grandmaster was 463.xxxx on the US server. This means that a 1463 Master player would be equivalent to a 1000 Grandmaster player, factoring out bonus pool.
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1031prime
Profile Joined November 2011
5 Posts
January 28 2013 16:06 GMT
#1354
Thanks so much for all the comprehensive info.
The guide states that the populatapologies istribution is 20% per league. SC2rankings however shows that Bronze alone is close to 40%.

Is the 20% split just Blizzaed's goal or that SC2rankings is not accurate?

My apologies if this has already been addressed. I admit I didnt go through all 70 pages.
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
January 28 2013 23:56 GMT
#1355
On January 29 2013 01:06 1031prime wrote:
Is the 20% split just Blizzaed's goal or that SC2rankings is not accurate?


Probably some of both. The way the ranking system works, in which people only shift around in the league distribution when they play games, means that their targets for percentages of players will only ever be goals.

Also, the site takes a while to collect data, so information about distributions can be a mix of data in which some of it is weeks out of date. This can also affect how valid some aggregate data is. However, in this particular case, that bulge in the distribution in Bronze has been pretty stable, so I'd say this is less of an issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
NubainMuscle
Profile Joined June 2005
South Africa423 Posts
February 05 2013 16:18 GMT
#1356
Question:

Last night I was promoted to platinum. However, I noticed several players in my gold division were also promoted last night.
Looking at my platinum league, it looks like +50% are recent additions, and several of these players don't even have any current ladder stats (they are listed at 0 wins this season).

Does battle.net sometimes distribute mass promotions in order to re-balance the demographic of the game? In other words, are players leaving and/or going inactive and creating a void in leagues that needs to be filled. The promotion was a little bizarre and now does not feel merit based judging by the composition of the league.

In my opinion, since there are so many divisions per league, blizzard should try to find a way to categorize players on the basis of their activity and place them in leagues accordingly. It's meaningless to "compete" for a Top 8 spot when only 25 players in your division are playing, and only the Top 10-15 with any semblance of regular activity.

I am definitely a gold-platinum level player and would like to play opponents of a similar skill set but it's frustrating to wait for a diamond or master league promotion where I can only hope to compete in a division filled with skilled, active players. I wish there was a solution for this.
http://sc.gosugamers.net/bilder/members/9801.jpg
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
February 05 2013 16:58 GMT
#1357
On February 06 2013 01:18 NubainMuscle wrote:
Question:

Last night I was promoted to platinum. However, I noticed several players in my gold division were also promoted last night.
Looking at my platinum league, it looks like +50% are recent additions, and several of these players don't even have any current ladder stats (they are listed at 0 wins this season).

Does battle.net sometimes distribute mass promotions in order to re-balance the demographic of the game? In other words, are players leaving and/or going inactive and creating a void in leagues that needs to be filled. The promotion was a little bizarre and now does not feel merit based judging by the composition of the league.

In my opinion, since there are so many divisions per league, blizzard should try to find a way to categorize players on the basis of their activity and place them in leagues accordingly. It's meaningless to "compete" for a Top 8 spot when only 25 players in your division are playing, and only the Top 10-15 with any semblance of regular activity.

I am definitely a gold-platinum level player and would like to play opponents of a similar skill set but it's frustrating to wait for a diamond or master league promotion where I can only hope to compete in a division filled with skilled, active players. I wish there was a solution for this.


They have been known to restructure the league boundaries in the past, but that doesn't happen often and it's especially rare for it to happen in the middle of a season (which I believe has happened only once before?). It's pretty noticeable when that happens because a lot of people will report their league changes and the Battle.net forums blow up with "I just got promoted but I suck" "hey me too what's going on" "this is crazy guys did something break?"

I would imagine that it's not very easy to categorize people based on activity at the time they're placed or promoted because you don't know how active they will be after that. Some players just do their placement match for a season then stop. How do you differentiate those players from the ones who get placed in your division then go on to play a thousand games? I also presume you mean "be ranked among" skilled active players, since you're already matched up against them.

The activity measure has been a failing of the division system since the beginning, but that's not a problem limited to SC2 either. Even in a game like chess, if I raise my rating from 1500 to 1600 and three years ago you raised your rating from 1500 to 1550 and quit playing, then I'm "better" than you but only because you don't play anymore.
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Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-14 15:35:24
February 14 2013 15:33 GMT
#1358
I have seen an interesting case for your research. I was looking at a profile of a new player, created only this season and over his entire 1v1 career he played only 1 game, which was a loss against a GM. All other his games were 2v2 arranged team with a barcode player who was #8 GM on EU at that moment (presumably Stephano). Needless to say their team had very good stats, were #1 Masters, and were usually losing only 1 or 2 points for their few loses. I can explain it only in 2 ways. 1st there is a bug in global play which allows for MMR transition in some cases. Looks very unlikely to me. 2nd when you have an MMR in other game modes (1v1, 2v2...) they are taken into account when you go for placement. This is something that clearly works when you play the same mode (for example 2v2's) but switch between arranged teams and random partners play. For example as a master 2v2 random partners player every time I team up with a player at my level we'll start placements at diamond level and it takes around 10 wins to get to the level we play at.

P.S. the player I was talking about was nicknamed zaz and you can find him by his barcode friend: top GM zerg, EU, with the least games played among top 15 or so.
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
February 14 2013 17:38 GMT
#1359
That other game modes are used when estimating your initial MMR is something Blizzard confirmed a year or two ago. It's somewhere buried in this thread if you want to read the discussion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
February 20 2013 13:49 GMT
#1360
Has anyone tried using new "Leave League" button to achieve faster promotion when your MMR is really volatile?
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