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On February 22 2011 11:17 DyEnasTy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 11:12 LuckyFool wrote:On February 22 2011 11:11 DyEnasTy wrote:On February 22 2011 11:02 avilo wrote:On February 22 2011 10:43 Lz wrote:On February 22 2011 10:17 avilo wrote:As a player like everyone else that has been practicing his ass off for ages, I really want to get into this league like the other hardcore people trying to be progamers...and that is one thing that MLG does in fact do very well - equal opportunity for every player to play in it and win cash. Funny fact, I beat EGLZgamer at MLG DC. Now, to people that don't watch much, if you'd be guessing who would win something like that, would you guess me or the person with EG in their name? If I had needed to be voted in to MLG to be able to participate, something like that would never be able to happen, as I'd automatically be written off since I could be a player that is not popular or well known at the time. This does not go for just me obviously, but imagine players even less known than myself...that could be better... To do this NASL, which I want to get into, I suddenly feel like I need to take more time out of practice now to get on twitter, facebook, stream 20x more, and basically everything and anything that can get me more exposure =/! Replay pack in the works now  Funny fact, my tvt is nothing to brag about beating... shall I list the people who I have beat at MLG's? ... I was just using an example of an "underdog" situation man...<3. There's tons more situations like that where people are like "EL O EL THAT GUY IS DEFINITELY GONNA GET CRUSHED!" and the person watching hasn't even seen either of the players playing to base anything off of, they just see the names and think, "oh, that's megaBossman, he will win cause he's in so and so team, with so and so etc." Even GSL's system has it where players WORK their way up into the leagues, they aren't voted in. Ok by your logic: you beating LZ in a TvT once qualifies you for $100,000? I think your resume should be a bit bigger than that. your missing his point, he's simply saying underdog players aren't always going to get crushed by sponsored well known players. I went back and re read with what you said in mind, and ya hes right in that respect. But there is an open (although very hard) qualifier to get into the tourny with. Wether that format is fair or unfair will be revealed as time goes on.
no, its unfair.
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Destiny says he won't play due to not being in a team, so I doubt he encouraged viewers to spam votes.
His votes don't matter, he's not gonna participate, discuss the players who will actually play.
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On February 22 2011 11:18 Brad wrote:
People are just abusing the voting system. Give it a few days and Justin Bieber will be #1.
LOL thank you for putting me in a better mood with that ^^
The trolls in this thread were making me want to HuK out.
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Whoever is voting for ONE is making it pretty obvious they're exploiting it, they could of at-least waited a few days.
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This isn't at all how Tournament threads work.
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I voted destiny, not because I think he'd do well but because I think it'd be hilarious to see him play a tournament like this - especially if he'd be allowed to talk in game or if there were post game interviews 
In all seriousness though, in the end I think this list will mostly be used to decide the final few spots. After the obvious players have been chosen, who does the NASL want in their tournament? An unknown player that has taken home a few small tournaments, or a player like brat_ok who will bring in a LOT of viewers?
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On February 22 2011 11:12 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 11:11 DyEnasTy wrote:On February 22 2011 11:02 avilo wrote:On February 22 2011 10:43 Lz wrote:On February 22 2011 10:17 avilo wrote:As a player like everyone else that has been practicing his ass off for ages, I really want to get into this league like the other hardcore people trying to be progamers...and that is one thing that MLG does in fact do very well - equal opportunity for every player to play in it and win cash. Funny fact, I beat EGLZgamer at MLG DC. Now, to people that don't watch much, if you'd be guessing who would win something like that, would you guess me or the person with EG in their name? If I had needed to be voted in to MLG to be able to participate, something like that would never be able to happen, as I'd automatically be written off since I could be a player that is not popular or well known at the time. This does not go for just me obviously, but imagine players even less known than myself...that could be better... To do this NASL, which I want to get into, I suddenly feel like I need to take more time out of practice now to get on twitter, facebook, stream 20x more, and basically everything and anything that can get me more exposure =/! Replay pack in the works now Funny fact, my tvt is nothing to brag about beating... shall I list the people who I have beat at MLG's? ... I was just using an example of an "underdog" situation man...<3. There's tons more situations like that where people are like "EL O EL THAT GUY IS DEFINITELY GONNA GET CRUSHED!" and the person watching hasn't even seen either of the players playing to base anything off of, they just see the names and think, "oh, that's megaBossman, he will win cause he's in so and so team, with so and so etc." Even GSL's system has it where players WORK their way up into the leagues, they aren't voted in. Ok by your logic: you beating LZ in a TvT once qualifies you for $100,000? I think your resume should be a bit bigger than that. your missing his point, he's simply saying underdog players aren't always going to get crushed by sponsored well known players.
we have a winrar! indeed, that was the point I was trying to make that flew over many trolls's heads.
You cannot always just assume one player is gonna win over another.
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Voting for the players rather than having them play in qualifiers sends a pretty clear message that they want the most popular players, rather than the best.
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Jibba, then move it to the front page where i think it should be? why do i sense an arbitrary thread deletion incoming? we're discussing an upcoming tournament in a the tournament forum, and if you look at some of the other threads about tournaments there are many details about how to qualify in them ^^, which is the matter at hand in this thread.
don't just quash discussion because the "big announcement" isn't being as well received as you hoped, perhaps the bigwigs in the community should have put more thought into what the community actually wanted.
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On February 22 2011 11:21 Brad wrote:
Whoever is voting for ONE is making it pretty obvious they're exploiting it, they could of at-least waited a few days.
Yeah I was noticing that too.
Was wondering who the hell those guys were, because I had never heard of any of them... yeah, obviously the voting system needs a little fixing to prevent the abuse.
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Mod should put Incontrol's quote at the top of the thread to clear up the level of misconception in here.
And idiocy, after looking after some other comments.
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Destiny is clearly the most popular Starcraft 2 player in NA
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The reason we love to watch idra, huk, jinro etc. is because they are awesome at the game. Their high level of skill is incredible and makes for great games. If someone is at or above their level but I happen to not know who they are, why would I not be entertained by their games? If the pro players are truly the top players then they would be able to make it to the top of an open tournament. I don't see why the whole thing isn't just an open tourny with qualifiers. Sure there may be more cheesier players, but if that is how you win at starcraft, then that is a valid strategy. If it gets to a point where there is much more cheese in tournaments, Blizzard will respond by balancing the game. They want the game to be entertaining for everyone.
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The voting is just for a bit of fun I thought, Incontrol even confirmed that. Thank god, I woudn't want to be in a popularity contest with the stars like Jinro and Idra.
Hopefully they will bring in qualifiers so that I can have a chance. I'd love to participate in this tournament.
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On February 22 2011 11:21 Jibba wrote:
This isn't at all how Tournament threads work.
Sorry :3!
And I think Avilo made the point we were all thinking, but added himself as a perfect example.
He was not claiming that he would win the grand finals of the NASL. All he was saying was that he is [basically] a no-name compared to anyone in EG, yet he has beaten some of them in tournaments. So how is it fair for a tournament to be based on your popularity? It isn't.
Basically, the format simply discourages up-starts. It may or may not hinder the growth of the sport, by making it more difficult for newer players to get into the scene.
GSL is very open and it's still extremely hard to get into Code S. Just look at some obviously great players like Bomber who haven't even played in code A.
Add in a popularity contest and what will happen?
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Destiny is clearly the most popular Starcraft 2 player in NA
That's because Destiny fucking owns dude :D
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On February 22 2011 11:19 jalstar wrote:
Destiny says he won't play due to not being in a team, so I doubt he encouraged viewers to spam votes.
His votes don't matter, he's not gonna participate, discuss the players who will actually play.
I just heard on his stream he will play if he gets voted in.
Also it seems the team requirement is only for those attempting to get in through the open tournament, no the inviteees.
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On February 22 2011 11:32 Bean5487 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 11:19 jalstar wrote:
Destiny says he won't play due to not being in a team, so I doubt he encouraged viewers to spam votes.
His votes don't matter, he's not gonna participate, discuss the players who will actually play. I just heard on his stream he will play if he gets voted in. Also it seems the team requirement is only for those attempting to get in through the open tournament, no the inviteees.
I thought it was the other way around, invitees get in through votes/team/other and the open is open to ANYONE.
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No. Just... No. NO ONE EVER SAID THEY WOULD ONLY PICK THE PEOPLE WITH THE MOST VOTES.
Just says it increases their chances... which is smart. This is a business venture... and in order to even HOPE to turn a profit, they must get viewers. More popular players == more viewers. I don't think this thread is merited at all.
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