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FrostyTreats
Profile Joined January 2011
United States355 Posts
February 22 2011 02:19 GMT
#241
On February 22 2011 11:17 DyEnasTy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 11:12 LuckyFool wrote:
On February 22 2011 11:11 DyEnasTy wrote:
On February 22 2011 11:02 avilo wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:43 Lz wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:17 avilo wrote:
As a player like everyone else that has been practicing his ass off for ages, I really want to get into this league like the other hardcore people trying to be progamers...and that is one thing that MLG does in fact do very well - equal opportunity for every player to play in it and win cash.

Funny fact, I beat EGLZgamer at MLG DC. Now, to people that don't watch much, if you'd be guessing who would win something like that, would you guess me or the person with EG in their name?

If I had needed to be voted in to MLG to be able to participate, something like that would never be able to happen, as I'd automatically be written off since I could be a player that is not popular or well known at the time.

This does not go for just me obviously, but imagine players even less known than myself...that could be better...

To do this NASL, which I want to get into, I suddenly feel like I need to take more time out of practice now to get on twitter, facebook, stream 20x more, and basically everything and anything that can get me more exposure =/!

Replay pack in the works now

Funny fact, my tvt is nothing to brag about beating... shall I list the people who I have beat at MLG's? ...


I was just using an example of an "underdog" situation man...<3.

There's tons more situations like that where people are like "EL O EL THAT GUY IS DEFINITELY GONNA GET CRUSHED!" and the person watching hasn't even seen either of the players playing to base anything off of, they just see the names and think, "oh, that's megaBossman, he will win cause he's in so and so team, with so and so etc."

Even GSL's system has it where players WORK their way up into the leagues, they aren't voted in.



Ok by your logic: you beating LZ in a TvT once qualifies you for $100,000? I think your resume should be a bit bigger than that.



your missing his point, he's simply saying underdog players aren't always going to get crushed by sponsored well known players.



I went back and re read with what you said in mind, and ya hes right in that respect. But there is an open (although very hard) qualifier to get into the tourny with. Wether that format is fair or unfair will be revealed as time goes on.

no, its unfair.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
February 22 2011 02:19 GMT
#242
Destiny says he won't play due to not being in a team, so I doubt he encouraged viewers to spam votes.

His votes don't matter, he's not gonna participate, discuss the players who will actually play.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
February 22 2011 02:20 GMT
#243
On February 22 2011 11:18 Brad wrote:
People are just abusing the voting system. Give it a few days and Justin Bieber will be #1.



LOL thank you for putting me in a better mood with that ^^

The trolls in this thread were making me want to HuK out.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 02:21:34
February 22 2011 02:21 GMT
#244
Whoever is voting for ONE is making it pretty obvious they're exploiting it, they could of at-least waited a few days.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
February 22 2011 02:21 GMT
#245
This isn't at all how Tournament threads work.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 03:01:27
February 22 2011 02:22 GMT
#246
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
February 22 2011 02:24 GMT
#247
I voted destiny, not because I think he'd do well but because I think it'd be hilarious to see him play a tournament like this - especially if he'd be allowed to talk in game or if there were post game interviews

In all seriousness though, in the end I think this list will mostly be used to decide the final few spots. After the obvious players have been chosen, who does the NASL want in their tournament? An unknown player that has taken home a few small tournaments, or a player like brat_ok who will bring in a LOT of viewers?
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
February 22 2011 02:26 GMT
#248
On February 22 2011 11:12 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 11:11 DyEnasTy wrote:
On February 22 2011 11:02 avilo wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:43 Lz wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:17 avilo wrote:
As a player like everyone else that has been practicing his ass off for ages, I really want to get into this league like the other hardcore people trying to be progamers...and that is one thing that MLG does in fact do very well - equal opportunity for every player to play in it and win cash.

Funny fact, I beat EGLZgamer at MLG DC. Now, to people that don't watch much, if you'd be guessing who would win something like that, would you guess me or the person with EG in their name?

If I had needed to be voted in to MLG to be able to participate, something like that would never be able to happen, as I'd automatically be written off since I could be a player that is not popular or well known at the time.

This does not go for just me obviously, but imagine players even less known than myself...that could be better...

To do this NASL, which I want to get into, I suddenly feel like I need to take more time out of practice now to get on twitter, facebook, stream 20x more, and basically everything and anything that can get me more exposure =/!

Replay pack in the works now

Funny fact, my tvt is nothing to brag about beating... shall I list the people who I have beat at MLG's? ...


I was just using an example of an "underdog" situation man...<3.

There's tons more situations like that where people are like "EL O EL THAT GUY IS DEFINITELY GONNA GET CRUSHED!" and the person watching hasn't even seen either of the players playing to base anything off of, they just see the names and think, "oh, that's megaBossman, he will win cause he's in so and so team, with so and so etc."

Even GSL's system has it where players WORK their way up into the leagues, they aren't voted in.



Ok by your logic: you beating LZ in a TvT once qualifies you for $100,000? I think your resume should be a bit bigger than that.



your missing his point, he's simply saying underdog players aren't always going to get crushed by sponsored well known players.


we have a winrar! indeed, that was the point I was trying to make that flew over many trolls's heads.

You cannot always just assume one player is gonna win over another.
Sup
schiznak
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia258 Posts
February 22 2011 02:26 GMT
#249
Voting for the players rather than having them play in qualifiers sends a pretty clear message that they want the most popular players, rather than the best.
"That's very e-sports of you to have the camera focused on the people instead of the game" -ultradavid
carbon_based
Profile Joined December 2010
United States46 Posts
February 22 2011 02:27 GMT
#250
Jibba, then move it to the front page where i think it should be? why do i sense an arbitrary thread deletion incoming? we're discussing an upcoming tournament in a the tournament forum, and if you look at some of the other threads about tournaments there are many details about how to qualify in them ^^, which is the matter at hand in this thread.

don't just quash discussion because the "big announcement" isn't being as well received as you hoped, perhaps the bigwigs in the community should have put more thought into what the community actually wanted.
http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1830689/zugzwang
Traveler
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States451 Posts
February 22 2011 02:27 GMT
#251
On February 22 2011 11:21 Brad wrote:
Whoever is voting for ONE is making it pretty obvious they're exploiting it, they could of at-least waited a few days.


Yeah I was noticing that too.

Was wondering who the hell those guys were, because I had never heard of any of them... yeah, obviously the voting system needs a little fixing to prevent the abuse.
Can you ever argue in favor of something without first proving it?
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 02:29:54
February 22 2011 02:28 GMT
#252
Mod should put Incontrol's quote at the top of the thread to clear up the level of misconception in here.

And idiocy, after looking after some other comments.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
bLuR
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada625 Posts
February 22 2011 02:29 GMT
#253
Destiny is clearly the most popular Starcraft 2 player in NA
orotoss
Profile Joined September 2010
United States298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 02:31:06
February 22 2011 02:30 GMT
#254
The reason we love to watch idra, huk, jinro etc. is because they are awesome at the game. Their high level of skill is incredible and makes for great games. If someone is at or above their level but I happen to not know who they are, why would I not be entertained by their games? If the pro players are truly the top players then they would be able to make it to the top of an open tournament. I don't see why the whole thing isn't just an open tourny with qualifiers. Sure there may be more cheesier players, but if that is how you win at starcraft, then that is a valid strategy. If it gets to a point where there is much more cheese in tournaments, Blizzard will respond by balancing the game. They want the game to be entertaining for everyone.
BLARRGHGHH
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2575 Posts
February 22 2011 02:30 GMT
#255
The voting is just for a bit of fun I thought, Incontrol even confirmed that. Thank god, I woudn't want to be in a popularity contest with the stars like Jinro and Idra.
Hopefully they will bring in qualifiers so that I can have a chance. I'd love to participate in this tournament.
Wishing you well.
Buddhist
Profile Joined April 2010
United States658 Posts
February 22 2011 02:30 GMT
#256
On February 22 2011 11:21 Jibba wrote:
This isn't at all how Tournament threads work.

Sorry :3!

And I think Avilo made the point we were all thinking, but added himself as a perfect example.

He was not claiming that he would win the grand finals of the NASL. All he was saying was that he is [basically] a no-name compared to anyone in EG, yet he has beaten some of them in tournaments. So how is it fair for a tournament to be based on your popularity? It isn't.

Basically, the format simply discourages up-starts. It may or may not hinder the growth of the sport, by making it more difficult for newer players to get into the scene.

GSL is very open and it's still extremely hard to get into Code S. Just look at some obviously great players like Bomber who haven't even played in code A.

Add in a popularity contest and what will happen?
DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 02:32:08
February 22 2011 02:31 GMT
#257
Destiny is clearly the most popular Starcraft 2 player in NA


That's because Destiny fucking owns dude :D
Disciples of a god, that neither lives nor breathes.
Bean5487
Profile Joined February 2011
United States22 Posts
February 22 2011 02:32 GMT
#258
On February 22 2011 11:19 jalstar wrote:
Destiny says he won't play due to not being in a team, so I doubt he encouraged viewers to spam votes.

His votes don't matter, he's not gonna participate, discuss the players who will actually play.


I just heard on his stream he will play if he gets voted in.

Also it seems the team requirement is only for those attempting to get in through the open tournament, no the inviteees.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
February 22 2011 02:33 GMT
#259
On February 22 2011 11:32 Bean5487 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 11:19 jalstar wrote:
Destiny says he won't play due to not being in a team, so I doubt he encouraged viewers to spam votes.

His votes don't matter, he's not gonna participate, discuss the players who will actually play.


I just heard on his stream he will play if he gets voted in.

Also it seems the team requirement is only for those attempting to get in through the open tournament, no the inviteees.


I thought it was the other way around, invitees get in through votes/team/other and the open is open to ANYONE.
Crushgroove
Profile Joined July 2010
United States793 Posts
February 22 2011 02:33 GMT
#260
No. Just... No. NO ONE EVER SAID THEY WOULD ONLY PICK THE PEOPLE WITH THE MOST VOTES.

Just says it increases their chances... which is smart. This is a business venture... and in order to even HOPE to turn a profit, they must get viewers. More popular players == more viewers. I don't think this thread is merited at all.
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