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zanmat0
188 Posts
On February 05 2011 20:51 Kipsate wrote: In icons there is no difference between Bronze 1500 wins and Master 1500 wins(taking it to the extreme here). There is a difference in the game. Could you be any more elitist? The skill level of a player is already rewarded by what league and standing he has. Get over yourself. | ||
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
On February 05 2011 20:49 teamsolid wrote: Yes, and while the portraits were rare, they were not prestigious at all. Yes they were extremely prestigious. Long time Wc3 player and I've experienced quite a lot in that regard. You cannot even imagine the huge amount of people abusing everything as much as possible just to gain higher stats and especially portraits. By the way OP, I completely feel the same. In Starcraft 2 you get the Icons way faster than in Wc3 as the average Wc3 games probably last twice. While... look at PvZ / TvZ. Probably >50% of the games end within the first 10minutes. | ||
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
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Altsa
Finland990 Posts
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SiDX
New Zealand1975 Posts
On February 05 2011 21:43 Altsa wrote: The thing that pisses me off is that you cant unlock The Overmind portrait in 1v1... I got disappointed that you got muta icon using random instead of zerg | ||
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Protein
United States132 Posts
On February 05 2011 21:12 Tyree wrote: If your selfesteem is down the toilet, and you need ways to spike it up. Load up WoW, go raid, get the best raiding gear, then head over the official WoW forums and brag about how pro you are and how the "bads" need to "L2P" and stop being "bad". This kind of attitude we DONT want in SC2, the portrait system is there to be a minor unlockable for everyone, even if you are a Bronze player and you win 1k games you are rewarded for that becuase you still had to fight for those 1000 games just like that Diamond guy. The whole point of the system is to give everyone some good games to play (hence GG') and portraits are rewarded as such Lets not bring elitism in this game and turn it into a casual vs hardcore player debate. Blizzard will most likely add new portraits in the next xpac for everyone to aim for (if they even care about them). A bronze player having the Kerrigan portrait dosent make him a better player than anyone above bronze league, so dont worry about it whether you are in Silver, Gold, Plat, Diamond or Master. He fought hard for it facing people of his skill level and deserves it The new portraits in HotS will most likely be of new units (single player and multiplayer) and new heroes that will undoubtly be introduced aswell as old ones (Duran?) OK look. I appreciate the responses but nowhere did I say that portraits were representative of skill. Nor am I looking for an ego boost through Starcraft 2. The aggressiveness in your post is not necessary. Furthermore, I'd just like to point out that the one displaying elitist behavior is none other than yourself. Since most of you are putting glam in quotations, I figure this might be where the confusion lies and will now explain the definition. It means having a charm, allure or attractiveness to something. Thus, it is not related to skill. I see what you're all saying. I still do feel that portraits somehow had a better feel in Wc3 than they do in SC. Perhaps they'll add online tournaments (weekly? Daily?) like they did in TFT which will have their own portraits. That'd be pretty sahwett. I'm sorry that none of you understand that the portraits were prestigious, but the fact is, they were. Whether it was AT whoring or not, everybody knew who Abandonallhope (on europe) was for getting the first 1500 Random portrait, and you can bet that everybody checked his profile. Everybody would notice him in chat rooms. Similarly, impressive stats were also marveled at. I guess the new system is catering so much to casual gamers that there really aren't that many players who stand out. Even the pros don't have incredible records like they did in wc3. The system has turned us all into identical sheep! (lol. I'm kidding though. The new MU system is great) Now let me emphasize, before you all call me an elitist, that I am not aiming to get these difficult portraits myself. I don't want an increase in needed wins so that I can laugh at all of you for not playing SC2 as much as I do. However, I did enjoy the fact that people hunted them and that they were incredibly rare and cool to look at when you saw them. Instead now, I play ladder and see the 1k portraits more often than I see the 100 win portraits. I can guarantee that most Diamond and master leaguers will have the 1k portrait by years end. This was never the case in WC3. I only said a dime a dozen because this is the case, relative to wc3. And one more thing. What's wrong with elitism in games? Sure, the attitude is shitty but I don't see why people who play more and have achieved a higher skill can't have a better look... | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On February 05 2011 21:18 zanmat0 wrote: Could you be any more elitist? The skill level of a player is already rewarded by what league and standing he has. Get over yourself. Elitism is what competitive play is all about. | ||
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zanmat0
188 Posts
On February 05 2011 21:59 Dfgj wrote: Elitism is what competitive play is all about. Are you implying that competitve play and portraits should somehow be related? Think before you post. | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
And one more thing. What's wrong with elitism in games? Sure, the attitude is shitty but I don't see why people who play more and have achieved a higher skill can't have a better look... You just answered your own question but head over to WoW forums/Arena Junkies Is that what you want? If you are in a higher league than someone else then you are clearly a better player, is that not enough? Denying that bronze player the ability to get X portrait makes you feel better about yourself? Really? Look at the pro players who actually get paid to play this game, Idra has a Hydra icon, and HuK uses the default ones, what a bunch of scrubs right!? These guys suck!!! Hydra icon? What were you thinking of Grack? You suck! And Huk he is such a noob he dosent even know you can change your icon! LLOLOL Ok enough It is a strange phenomenon how much it seems to annoy some players that a "lesser" player has the same picture icon in the same game they play. It reeks of the WoW mentality that has made that entire community a cesspool. If far better players than anyone in this topic dont care about icons, then why do you care so much? | ||
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snafulator
Antigua/Barbuda72 Posts
so u get those only if u win matches in the tournament | ||
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Protein
United States132 Posts
On February 05 2011 22:18 Tyree wrote: You just answered your own question but head over to WoW forums/Arena Junkies Is that what you want? If you are in a higher league than someone else then you are clearly a better player, is that not enough? Denying that bronze player the ability to get X portrait makes you feel better about yourself? Really? Look at the pro players who actually get paid to play this game, Idra has a Hydra icon, and HuK uses the default ones, what a bunch of scrubs right!? These guys suck!!! Hydra icon? What were you thinking of Grack? You suck! And Huk he is such a noob he dosent even know you can change your icon! LLOLOL Ok enough It is a strange phenomenon how much it seems to annoy some players that a "lesser" player has the same picture icon in the same game they play. It reeks of the WoW mentality that has made that entire community a cesspool. If far better players than anyone in this topic dont care about icons, then why do you care so much? Wow chill. I'd have to guess you're the one suffering from a low self-esteem, given how quickly you are irritated. The reason I added the part about the attitude is to show that an elitist attitude, and the ability to get better portraits through different leagues are not the same. Next we'll be voting for the abolishment of all the higher leagues because the bronze players can't reach that? It's giving us a platform to be elitist? Please. And seriously read my fucking post. I never said portraits were representative of skill. Stop putting words in my mouth. Also, I don't obsess over modeling myself to be like HuK and Idra. If you want them to be your role models, fine, but I like having my hard-to-get portraits. | ||
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
well im still looking in awe at players with dark voice portrait. I think everything is OK | ||
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GiantEnemyCrab
Canada503 Posts
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
Spares people from having to grind out a thousand games on a race they don't even play just for a friggin' portrait. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44327 Posts
I've found many occasions where the higher portraits cause a little intimidation too. "Oh my gosh, he's got the Dark Voice? He's got ::some other portrait:  All right, maybe I won't cannon rush him." There should be more portraits though. Everyone's going to have most of their race's portraits very soon. Heck, it doesn't even matter what league you're in... Too bad we can't make our own  | ||
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Pehbeh
Germany57 Posts
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SetStndbySmn
United States657 Posts
My suggestion for prestigious portraits would be to add brand new portraits for achieving x amount of wins against master league opponents. Personally I would like to see brood war portraits with animations for this accomplishment. As a protoss player in both games Id really like to sport one of these: ![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/starcraft/images/1/14/Tassadar_SC1_HeadAnim1.gif) ![[image loading]](http://starcraft2forum.org/forums/images/avatars/Starcraft1/ProtossB.gif) ![[image loading]](http://www.societyofrobots.com/robotforum/avatars/Starcraft/Archon.gif) | ||
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QuixoticO
Netherlands810 Posts
On February 05 2011 22:27 Protein wrote: Wow chill. I'd have to guess you're the one suffering from a low self-esteem, given how quickly you are irritated. The reason I added the part about the attitude is to show that an elitist attitude, and the ability to get better portraits through different leagues are not the same. Next we'll be voting for the abolishment of all the higher leagues because the bronze players can't reach that? It's giving us a platform to be elitist? Please. And seriously read my fucking post. I never said portraits were representative of skill. Stop putting words in my mouth. Also, I don't obsess over modeling myself to be like HuK and Idra. If you want them to be your role models, fine, but I like having my hard-to-get portraits. People need to learn that time investment doesn't make something harder it just makes it longer to get. Making the portraits 1500 instead of 1000 only increases your "hard-to-get" by a factor of 1.5 showing everyone else you only invested more time into something that is not hard. If you want prestigious portraits they should have added something like. Be in top 200 for your server X amount of time to achieve X portrait. | ||
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Special Endrey
Germany1929 Posts
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Tyree
1508 Posts
Wow chill. I'd have to guess you're the one suffering from a low self-esteem, given how quickly you are irritated. I am not irritated, i dont know how you got that out of my posts, if anyone comes across as angry its you: And seriously read my fucking post. I never said portraits were representative of skill. Stop putting words in my mouth. Also, I don't obsess over modeling myself to be like HuK and Idra. If you want them to be your role models, fine, but I like having my hard-to-get portraits. No they arent my role models, i am using those 2 because they seem to be the most famous foreign progamers out there, neither care about portraits. Next we'll be voting for the abolishment of all the higher leagues because the bronze players can't reach that ?Point to me, one person in this thread who even suggested that? If you are in a higher league than someone else you are already "better than them", i said this before and that should be all the prestige you want I am not going to argue with you anymore since you seem hell bent on putting words in my and everyone elses mouth while telling us to "chill" and stop our "fanboy dreams" of Idra and Huk. Blizzard has done alot of different things for SC2 compared to WC3, one of them being how you acquire icons, nobody has complained about this from absolute worst players to the absolute best (do i even dare mention 1 progamer here or will you tell me they are my "heroes?" or that i am "raging"?). If you think the War3 system was better than that is fine, but considering that nobody has complained about this yet and how many things Blizzard need to do (new maps, balance patches, bug patches, 2 new expansions, new Bnet 2.0 features etc) i doubt they have the time or ressources to change things to how you would like them. | ||
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