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Hey guys,
I wanted to voice my concern over the portrait system. It might seem trivial to most. However, as a veteran wc3 player, I miss the old system and the "special" feel that the 1500 portraits had. You didn't see them often, and when you did you looked at the player who had achieved such a status in awe.
The biggest reason it was so rare to see these portraits is because most people would create new accounts. People don't have that option anymore, and now the 1k portraits are a dime a dozen. Do you think that it should be harder to get these portraits? Perhaps double all the necessary wins? This might seem discouraging to some but it would at least help return some of the glam that portraits like Tichondrius and the Black Drake had in wc3.
I was never able to get past the 350 win portrait - and that was in the expansion. In the original the amount of wins needed were 25, 250, 500 and 1500. It was then changed to 25, 150, 350, 750 and 1500... Now it's 10,25,50,100,250,500,750,1000...
Another issue is more of a question that I have regarding portraits. Blizzard has included so many portraits that it seems they don't have very much room to add or change the portraits in the expansion. As some of you may know, in wc3 when the expansion came out all the portraits were changed. This gave it a fresh new feel. I don't see what other units Blizzard could put in to switch everything up. Does this mean that we will simply keep the portraits that we've had since December of the year WoL came out through all three games? Or do they reset it so that we can work towards the same portraits that we already achieved? Have they mentioned how they will be handling portraits in future releases?
Anyway let me know when you think.
Thanks.
Edit: I would like to make something clear. Nowhere in this post do I say that the portraits are representative of skill. Nor do I say that it should be based on higher leagues. I simply state that warcraft 3 portraits had more glamor because they were far more difficult to get and thus rarer. It is not necessary to claim that anyone who agrees with me has a low self-esteem or is a wannabe-elisist (ironically "like those kids in the wow community")
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Portraits never had glamour.
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Did you play Warcraft 3 at all?
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slightly off topic... I wish some of the decals would be obtainable earlier. (but i'm probably in the minority that even notices they're there)
I just wish you weren't able to spam games in bronze to get the portraits (not that it's the only way of course).
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Portraits unlucked by being getting wins in high leagues would be cool.
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Going by sc2ranks.com, currently around .1% of the people who play have the 1k wins portrait(for 1v1). One out of a thousand people is hardly "dime a dozen".
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Blizzard has included so many portraits that it seems they don't have very much room to add or change the portraits in the expansion.
I don't see what other units Blizzard could put in to switch everything up.
I bet the art design team at Blizzard would disagree...
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I think 1500 was a better number for the best portrait, but really who cares. It's fine.
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One thing you forgot to mention is the fact that solo and teamgames counted at wc3, it wasn't seperated. And in the first years the majority of the high pics were obtained with at-abuse. Wasn't really impressive :p
Imo SC2 just lacks cool portraits, there are only 2 or 3 that seem really cool to me. WC3 had many stylish portraits(Archimonde <3), SC2 does not have any besides Medic/Medivac and Kerrigan.
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couldnt care less about portraits, they are not even animated like in wc3 :D
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average wc3 game was about twice as long with 3x the search time, which is why those icons were rare
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I got the void ray portrait, the queen portrait, the kerrigan portrait, I never used them? Why? Because the stalker just looks so much cooler, as does the baneling or Valerian or Tosh.
Besides, if I have a stalker portrait my opponent will probably underestimate me. :')
Having more wins is hardly impressive, having a better win/loss ratio, surel, that's kind of impressive.
On February 05 2011 20:24 Horse...falcon wrote:Show nested quote +Blizzard has included so many portraits that it seems they don't have very much room to add or change the portraits in the expansion.
I don't see what other units Blizzard could put in to switch everything up. I bet the art design team at Blizzard would disagree... There will obviously be new units and campaign characters, and therefore new portraits.
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Whats so stupid about how you are rewarded for portraits are the meaningless wins you can get.
For instance thers a bronze that has like 1000 wins by playing silver and bronze players, why should that be compared to someone that gets 1000 wins from master players.
I believe it should've been separated as so in a logical manner.
Bronze to Platinum obviously getting boring portraits  while Masters get their secluded portraits.
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The thing with the number of wins for portraits is that it is just a matter of time until people reach the wins, it is not a representation of skill.
Better players will get them fast but eventually, every person that plays enough will get them.
They should not be seen as a representation of skill but rather as a representation of time spent playing.
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Kachinsky is the only portrait that matters - that and maybe lockwell 
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On February 05 2011 20:30 clusen wrote:
One thing you forgot to mention is the fact that solo and teamgames counted at wc3, it wasn't seperated. And in the first years the majority of the high pics were obtained with at-abuse. Wasn't really impressive :p
Imo SC2 just lacks cool portraits, there are only 2 or 3 that seem really cool to me. WC3 had many stylish portraits(Archimonde <3), SC2 does not have any besides Medic/Medivac and Kerrigan.
dude the ultralisk is badass!
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2000 games for a portrait is alot for the not so activ people, was planing to have the nova pic in 3 years ... but i guess won't happened as the monthly patches took away my motivation to play. (plus i tend to race hop)
but yes some decals earlier would have been nice hehe.
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Some of the Zerg portraits have a weird design (like the hydralisk, corruptor), in many cases it's not even clear what unit we're looking at. And like said, they don't mean much. It all depends on the player to answer the question "what is an impressive achievement?". As such, only the league has impressiveness-value in that regard.
It's nice to unlock stuff though, it just feels good. About the decalls, those are a complete failure. Only Terran uses them and you have to look for the decalls very hard. On Zerg and Protoss they are only visible around the Hatchery and on Photon Cannons.
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The portrait system in place IS pretty lame. It would feel more substantial if portraits were divided across leagues, with Bronze-Gold having default-to-500-wins portraits, Platinum and Diamond having default-to-750 wins portraits, and Master league having access to all of the portraits. Or something like that.
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I agree, when the game first came out the hydra portrait was so badass, but the subsequent pictures you unlock with more wins just don't feel prestigious, and even more so, they simply aren't as badass looking, lol.
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On February 05 2011 20:33 HitStarcraft wrote:Whats so stupid about how you are rewarded for portraits are the meaningless wins you can get. For instance thers a bronze that has like 1000 wins by playing silver and bronze players, why should that be compared to someone that gets 1000 wins from master players. I believe it should've been separated as so in a logical manner. Bronze to Platinum obviously getting boring portraits while Masters get their secluded portraits.
It's because no matter what division you play in the opponent will be at a skill level that is challenging for you. So it doesnt really matter if it's in bronze or masters, youre gonna have to try equally hard.
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Incredibly wishful thinking, but it would be fun if we could customise the avatars, Tekken style.
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On February 05 2011 20:19 Protein wrote:
Did you play Warcraft 3 at all?
Yes, and while the portraits were rare, they were not prestigious at all.
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Portraits/Achievements don't have any "glamour."
I don't understand why people have such a fascination with them. I personally think peoples league and win-ratio are more prestigious.
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tbh I actually think less of people I see with those portraits. Around 2000 games and getting matched up against measly me in lower diamond? lol.
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Well.. I don't know about the 'prestige' or 'glamour' thing.
I would say, add about 50+ more portraits to the game of all sorts of units from campaign and of some units that are not used at all.
Make no requirement for any of them. Just make it so every 100 wins of 1v1/2v2/3v3/4v4 you get, you get an unlock and you get to unlock anything you'd like.
By adding alot of portraits, you'll have more people with various portraits based on what units they like or not, not a select few portraits that everyone is eventually going to get.
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In icons there is no difference between Bronze 1500 wins and Master 1500 wins(taking it to the extreme here). There is a difference in the game.
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wc3 portraits were pretty great, but seeing how it's possible to leave 4v4RT games to get 1k free wins on SC2 pretty much took away any sort of prestige or glamor that portraits are suppose to convey.
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The biggest problem with the portraits is that most of them suck. :< And afaik there are no gimmick portraits, like one of a programmer or something.
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On February 05 2011 20:52 zooalt wrote:
The biggest problem with the portraits is that most of them suck. :< And afaik there are no gimmick portraits, like one of a programmer or something.
The Mercenary Goliath portrait, which you get for 500 Terran Team League Quick Match wins looks uncannily like Dustin Browder, the head designer....
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My guess is that they didn't wanna add 1500 or 2000 yet and they will prolly add this in the expansion packs. Can't see why they wouldn't, many people like to have these small rewards to aim for, even if it's not a big deal, u want big land marks like that to overcome. There should at least be achievements for 5000 wins and 10 000 wins imo. that's minimal coding for bliz and it might give a few people that little goal to aim for while laddering.
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I'm medium diamond and I sport the default portrait. Maybe I can trick someone with prejudice..
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hpJ04.jpg)
The only portrait you need.
But honestly, I really don't care about any of the portraits "glamor". It's just a picture. What should be shown off is skill, not the thing you see during the loading screen.
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On February 05 2011 20:55 Aim Here wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 20:52 zooalt wrote:
The biggest problem with the portraits is that most of them suck. :< And afaik there are no gimmick portraits, like one of a programmer or something. The Mercenary Goliath portrait, which you get for 500 Terran Team League Quick Match wins looks uncannily like Dustin Browder, the head designer.... A lot of portraits are actually modelled after Blizzard staff. I believe the Thor is made in Chris Metzen's likeness, who also uses the alias 'Thundergod' from time to time.
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How did the War3 portraits have a special "feel" to them? It's the same system. Win games, get picture. Only now you have more pictures to choose from, and you get different ones depending on whether you're playing 1on1 or team games.
Pictures weren't unique or awesome in War3, you could spot the AT abuser with insane W/L ratio and high level pictures immediately. Every now and then a pro came along with a nice pic or a regular mass gamer had one, but many people just chose cheap or default pictures despite having thousands of wins or dominating the ladder (just as we're seeing it now in SC2, check out all the pros with cheap pics from the campaign).
The only difference is that in War3 you could brag with your profile pic from the very first day since it had chat on release, while this has only recently come up in SC2. And keep in mind that the new battle.net is designed with the casual gamer in mind. Adding a profile pic is more like redesigning your desktop to fit your taste then choosing it to impress your friends (which might still work, though).
The single issue I have with many of the SC2 profile pictures are how ugly most of them are, especially those from team games. I'm playing terran and I don't see myself selecting one of the pics from terran team games any time soon.
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On February 05 2011 20:57 Babaganoush wrote:The only portrait you need.
This man speaks the truth.
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I love my overlord portrait, it is so cool and works incredibly intimidating for my opponent. He's like: "OMG, please don't build those vs me. They scare me shitless" And they should. Because overlords rock!
Also how cool would it be if, as some people have mentioned above me, you'd get different portraits in the different leagues.
Then the 1000 win silver portrait will probably be the rarest of them all! So cool!
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On February 05 2011 20:32 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:I got the void ray portrait, the queen portrait, the kerrigan portrait, I never used them? Why? Because the stalker just looks so much cooler, as does the baneling or Valerian or Tosh. Besides, if I have a stalker portrait my opponent will probably underestimate me. :') Having more wins is hardly impressive, having a better win/loss ratio, surel, that's kind of impressive. Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 20:24 Horse...falcon wrote:Blizzard has included so many portraits that it seems they don't have very much room to add or change the portraits in the expansion.
I don't see what other units Blizzard could put in to switch everything up. I bet the art design team at Blizzard would disagree... There will obviously be new units and campaign characters, and therefore new portraits.
That's why I still use my epic Probe portrait:p
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If your selfesteem is down the toilet, and you need ways to spike it up. Load up WoW, go raid, get the best raiding gear, then head over the official WoW forums and brag about how pro you are and how the "bads" need to "L2P" and stop being "bad".
This kind of attitude we DONT want in SC2, the portrait system is there to be a minor unlockable for everyone, even if you are a Bronze player and you win 1k games you are rewarded for that becuase you still had to fight for those 1000 games just like that Diamond guy. The whole point of the system is to give everyone some good games to play (hence GG') and portraits are rewarded as such
Lets not bring elitism in this game and turn it into a casual vs hardcore player debate.
Blizzard will most likely add new portraits in the next xpac for everyone to aim for (if they even care about them).
A bronze player having the Kerrigan portrait dosent make him a better player than anyone above bronze league, so dont worry about it whether you are in Silver, Gold, Plat, Diamond or Master. He fought hard for it facing people of his skill level and deserves it
The new portraits in HotS will most likely be of new units (single player and multiplayer) and new heroes that will undoubtly be introduced aswell as old ones (Duran?)
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On February 05 2011 20:43 Morphs wrote:
Some of the Zerg portraits have a weird design (like the hydralisk, corruptor), in many cases it's not even clear what unit we're looking at. And like said, they don't mean much. It all depends on the player to answer the question "what is an impressive achievement?". As such, only the league has impressiveness-value in that regard.
It's nice to unlock stuff though, it just feels good. About the decalls, those are a complete failure. Only Terran uses them and you have to look for the decalls very hard. On Zerg and Protoss they are only visible around the Hatchery and on Photon Cannons.
If you cant tell youre looking at a hydralisk i dunno what game youre playing
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On February 05 2011 20:51 Kipsate wrote:
In icons there is no difference between Bronze 1500 wins and Master 1500 wins(taking it to the extreme here). There is a difference in the game.
Could you be any more elitist? The skill level of a player is already rewarded by what league and standing he has.
Get over yourself.
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On February 05 2011 20:49 teamsolid wrote:Yes, and while the portraits were rare, they were not prestigious at all.
Yes they were extremely prestigious. Long time Wc3 player and I've experienced quite a lot in that regard.
You cannot even imagine the huge amount of people abusing everything as much as possible just to gain higher stats and especially portraits.
By the way OP, I completely feel the same.
In Starcraft 2 you get the Icons way faster than in Wc3 as the average Wc3 games probably last twice.
While... look at PvZ / TvZ. Probably >50% of the games end within the first 10minutes.
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Kachinsky is the true pro portrait
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The thing that pisses me off is that you cant unlock The Overmind portrait in 1v1...
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On February 05 2011 21:43 Altsa wrote:
The thing that pisses me off is that you cant unlock The Overmind portrait in 1v1...
I got disappointed that you got muta icon using random instead of zerg
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On February 05 2011 21:12 Tyree wrote:
If your selfesteem is down the toilet, and you need ways to spike it up. Load up WoW, go raid, get the best raiding gear, then head over the official WoW forums and brag about how pro you are and how the "bads" need to "L2P" and stop being "bad".
This kind of attitude we DONT want in SC2, the portrait system is there to be a minor unlockable for everyone, even if you are a Bronze player and you win 1k games you are rewarded for that becuase you still had to fight for those 1000 games just like that Diamond guy. The whole point of the system is to give everyone some good games to play (hence GG') and portraits are rewarded as such
Lets not bring elitism in this game and turn it into a casual vs hardcore player debate.
Blizzard will most likely add new portraits in the next xpac for everyone to aim for (if they even care about them).
A bronze player having the Kerrigan portrait dosent make him a better player than anyone above bronze league, so dont worry about it whether you are in Silver, Gold, Plat, Diamond or Master. He fought hard for it facing people of his skill level and deserves it
The new portraits in HotS will most likely be of new units (single player and multiplayer) and new heroes that will undoubtly be introduced aswell as old ones (Duran?)
OK look. I appreciate the responses but nowhere did I say that portraits were representative of skill. Nor am I looking for an ego boost through Starcraft 2. The aggressiveness in your post is not necessary. Furthermore, I'd just like to point out that the one displaying elitist behavior is none other than yourself.
Since most of you are putting glam in quotations, I figure this might be where the confusion lies and will now explain the definition. It means having a charm, allure or attractiveness to something. Thus, it is not related to skill.
I see what you're all saying. I still do feel that portraits somehow had a better feel in Wc3 than they do in SC. Perhaps they'll add online tournaments (weekly? Daily?) like they did in TFT which will have their own portraits. That'd be pretty sahwett.
I'm sorry that none of you understand that the portraits were prestigious, but the fact is, they were. Whether it was AT whoring or not, everybody knew who Abandonallhope (on europe) was for getting the first 1500 Random portrait, and you can bet that everybody checked his profile. Everybody would notice him in chat rooms. Similarly, impressive stats were also marveled at. I guess the new system is catering so much to casual gamers that there really aren't that many players who stand out. Even the pros don't have incredible records like they did in wc3. The system has turned us all into identical sheep! (lol. I'm kidding though. The new MU system is great)
Now let me emphasize, before you all call me an elitist, that I am not aiming to get these difficult portraits myself. I don't want an increase in needed wins so that I can laugh at all of you for not playing SC2 as much as I do. However, I did enjoy the fact that people hunted them and that they were incredibly rare and cool to look at when you saw them. Instead now, I play ladder and see the 1k portraits more often than I see the 100 win portraits. I can guarantee that most Diamond and master leaguers will have the 1k portrait by years end. This was never the case in WC3. I only said a dime a dozen because this is the case, relative to wc3.
And one more thing. What's wrong with elitism in games? Sure, the attitude is shitty but I don't see why people who play more and have achieved a higher skill can't have a better look...
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On February 05 2011 21:18 zanmat0 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 20:51 Kipsate wrote:
In icons there is no difference between Bronze 1500 wins and Master 1500 wins(taking it to the extreme here). There is a difference in the game. Could you be any more elitist? The skill level of a player is already rewarded by what league and standing he has. Get over yourself.
Elitism is what competitive play is all about.
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On February 05 2011 21:59 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 21:18 zanmat0 wrote:On February 05 2011 20:51 Kipsate wrote:
In icons there is no difference between Bronze 1500 wins and Master 1500 wins(taking it to the extreme here). There is a difference in the game. Could you be any more elitist? The skill level of a player is already rewarded by what league and standing he has. Get over yourself. Elitism is what competitive play is all about.
Are you implying that competitve play and portraits should somehow be related? Think before you post.
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And one more thing. What's wrong with elitism in games? Sure, the attitude is shitty but I don't see why people who play more and have achieved a higher skill can't have a better look...
You just answered your own question but head over to WoW forums/Arena Junkies
Is that what you want? If you are in a higher league than someone else then you are clearly a better player, is that not enough? Denying that bronze player the ability to get X portrait makes you feel better about yourself? Really?
Look at the pro players who actually get paid to play this game, Idra has a Hydra icon, and HuK uses the default ones, what a bunch of scrubs right!? These guys suck!!! Hydra icon? What were you thinking of Grack? You suck! And Huk he is such a noob he dosent even know you can change your icon! LLOLOL
Ok enough
It is a strange phenomenon how much it seems to annoy some players that a "lesser" player has the same picture icon in the same game they play. It reeks of the WoW mentality that has made that entire community a cesspool.
If far better players than anyone in this topic dont care about icons, then why do you care so much?
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i hope when they release the tournament system that there will be a few more portraits like in WC3
so u get those only if u win matches in the tournament
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On February 05 2011 22:18 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +And one more thing. What's wrong with elitism in games? Sure, the attitude is shitty but I don't see why people who play more and have achieved a higher skill can't have a better look... You just answered your own question but head over to WoW forums/Arena Junkies Is that what you want? If you are in a higher league than someone else then you are clearly a better player, is that not enough? Denying that bronze player the ability to get X portrait makes you feel better about yourself? Really? Look at the pro players who actually get paid to play this game, Idra has a Hydra icon, and HuK uses the default ones, what a bunch of scrubs right!? These guys suck!!! Hydra icon? What were you thinking of Grack? You suck! And Huk he is such a noob he dosent even know you can change your icon! LLOLOLOk enough It is a strange phenomenon how much it seems to annoy some players that a "lesser" player has the same picture icon in the same game they play. It reeks of the WoW mentality that has made that entire community a cesspool. If far better players than anyone in this topic dont care about icons, then why do you care so much?
Wow chill. I'd have to guess you're the one suffering from a low self-esteem, given how quickly you are irritated. The reason I added the part about the attitude is to show that an elitist attitude, and the ability to get better portraits through different leagues are not the same. Next we'll be voting for the abolishment of all the higher leagues because the bronze players can't reach that? It's giving us a platform to be elitist?
Please.
And seriously read my fucking post. I never said portraits were representative of skill. Stop putting words in my mouth. Also, I don't obsess over modeling myself to be like HuK and Idra. If you want them to be your role models, fine, but I like having my hard-to-get portraits.
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New expansion new units new portraits.
well im still looking in awe at players with dark voice portrait. I think everything is OK
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it would have been cooler if u can design ur own logo like in black ops
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I do feel the portrait win requirements should be changed, perhaps adjust them all to 0 wins -- that seems good.
Spares people from having to grind out a thousand games on a race they don't even play just for a friggin' portrait.
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I don't think it's lost its glamour in general, for those who consider them to have ever been an interesting idea in the first place. I have the Mohandar portrait (500 Team Protoss) and I was in a channel, and people messaged me, literally complimenting me on my portrait and asking me to do 2v2 or 3v3. And I don't even have Selendis or Artanis yet...
I've found many occasions where the higher portraits cause a little intimidation too.
"Oh my gosh, he's got the Dark Voice? He's got ::some other portrait: All right, maybe I won't cannon rush him."
There should be more portraits though. Everyone's going to have most of their race's portraits very soon. Heck, it doesn't even matter what league you're in...
Too bad we can't make our own 
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Tauren Marine all the way.... what does it mean?
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Generally I just use portraits I like; for instance I was using orlan over colossus until I got carrier.
My suggestion for prestigious portraits would be to add brand new portraits for achieving x amount of wins against master league opponents. Personally I would like to see brood war portraits with animations for this accomplishment.
As a protoss player in both games Id really like to sport one of these:
![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/starcraft/images/1/14/Tassadar_SC1_HeadAnim1.gif) ![[image loading]](http://starcraft2forum.org/forums/images/avatars/Starcraft1/ProtossB.gif) ![[image loading]](http://www.societyofrobots.com/robotforum/avatars/Starcraft/Archon.gif)
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On February 05 2011 22:27 Protein wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 22:18 Tyree wrote:And one more thing. What's wrong with elitism in games? Sure, the attitude is shitty but I don't see why people who play more and have achieved a higher skill can't have a better look... You just answered your own question but head over to WoW forums/Arena Junkies Is that what you want? If you are in a higher league than someone else then you are clearly a better player, is that not enough? Denying that bronze player the ability to get X portrait makes you feel better about yourself? Really? Look at the pro players who actually get paid to play this game, Idra has a Hydra icon, and HuK uses the default ones, what a bunch of scrubs right!? These guys suck!!! Hydra icon? What were you thinking of Grack? You suck! And Huk he is such a noob he dosent even know you can change your icon! LLOLOLOk enough It is a strange phenomenon how much it seems to annoy some players that a "lesser" player has the same picture icon in the same game they play. It reeks of the WoW mentality that has made that entire community a cesspool. If far better players than anyone in this topic dont care about icons, then why do you care so much? Wow chill. I'd have to guess you're the one suffering from a low self-esteem, given how quickly you are irritated. The reason I added the part about the attitude is to show that an elitist attitude, and the ability to get better portraits through different leagues are not the same. Next we'll be voting for the abolishment of all the higher leagues because the bronze players can't reach that? It's giving us a platform to be elitist? Please. And seriously read my fucking post. I never said portraits were representative of skill. Stop putting words in my mouth. Also, I don't obsess over modeling myself to be like HuK and Idra. If you want them to be your role models, fine, but I like having my hard-to-get portraits.
People need to learn that time investment doesn't make something harder it just makes it longer to get. Making the portraits 1500 instead of 1000 only increases your "hard-to-get" by a factor of 1.5 showing everyone else you only invested more time into something that is not hard.
If you want prestigious portraits they should have added something like. Be in top 200 for your server X amount of time to achieve X portrait.
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i like my arcturusk mengsk picture - he looks kinda like me in 15 years
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Wow chill. I'd have to guess you're the one suffering from a low self-esteem, given how quickly you are irritated.
I am not irritated, i dont know how you got that out of my posts, if anyone comes across as angry its you:
And seriously read my fucking post. I never said portraits were representative of skill. Stop putting words in my mouth. Also, I don't obsess over modeling myself to be like HuK and Idra. If you want them to be your role models, fine, but I like having my hard-to-get portraits.
No they arent my role models, i am using those 2 because they seem to be the most famous foreign progamers out there, neither care about portraits.
Next we'll be voting for the abolishment of all the higher leagues because the bronze players can't reach that ?
Point to me, one person in this thread who even suggested that?
If you are in a higher league than someone else you are already "better than them", i said this before and that should be all the prestige you want
I am not going to argue with you anymore since you seem hell bent on putting words in my and everyone elses mouth while telling us to "chill" and stop our "fanboy dreams" of Idra and Huk.
Blizzard has done alot of different things for SC2 compared to WC3, one of them being how you acquire icons, nobody has complained about this from absolute worst players to the absolute best (do i even dare mention 1 progamer here or will you tell me they are my "heroes?" or that i am "raging"?).
If you think the War3 system was better than that is fine, but considering that nobody has complained about this yet and how many things Blizzard need to do (new maps, balance patches, bug patches, 2 new expansions, new Bnet 2.0 features etc) i doubt they have the time or ressources to change things to how you would like them.
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On February 05 2011 20:22 Santi wrote:
Portraits unlucked by being getting wins in high leagues would be cool. ^Yeah. No reason player in Platium should get equal achievement status as someone in Masters. I know it doesn't really matter, but fuck off, I want nice exclusive portraits
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I'm going for the dark voice, tell me THAT'S not going to scare you if you ladder against me.
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On February 05 2011 22:46 Munk-E wrote:
I'm going for the dark voice, tell me THAT'S not going to scare you if you ladder against me.
It's definitely intimidating at this point in time, but I've played with (and against) a handful of people who already have it, so hurry up!
In a year or so, everyone will have it.
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On February 05 2011 20:25 Bosu wrote:
I think 1500 was a better number for the best portrait, but really who cares. It's fine.
Don't forget that 1vs1 and team games were merged to get those portrait in wc3, that's why the number is higher. So you can't compare to the 1000 from sc2
I have to admit that farming wins was much much harder in wc3.
In sc2 if you really want easy portrait, just get demoted to bronze and cheese/all-in every single game while playing random.
So in final, i think that wc3 portraits were more prestigious.
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I actually like some of the easily obtainable portraits better than the high end ones, Reaper, Sentry or Panda Marine are some of the coolest imo.
I also agree that having portraits for winning a certain amount of games in diamond or masters would be pretty rad.
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Totally agree with OP, ive been bitching bout this since the start. I used to have something to strive for, now its like, meh.
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On February 05 2011 22:37 SetStndbySmn wrote:Generally I just use portraits I like; for instance I was using orlan over colossus until I got carrier. My suggestion for prestigious portraits would be to add brand new portraits for achieving x amount of wins against master league opponents. Personally I would like to see brood war portraits with animations for this accomplishment. As a protoss player in both games Id really like to sport one of these:
Broodwar portraits would be badass.
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On February 05 2011 22:54 insaneMicro wrote:
I actually like some of the easily obtainable portraits better than the high end ones, Reaper, Sentry or Panda Marine are some of the coolest imo.
I also agree that having portraits for winning a certain amount of games in diamond or masters would be pretty rad.
Ive been using the Adjutant icon since like the 2nd day of release
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On February 05 2011 22:43 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +Wow chill. I'd have to guess you're the one suffering from a low self-esteem, given how quickly you are irritated. I am not irritated, i dont know how you got that out of my posts, if anyone comes across as angry its you: Show nested quote +And seriously read my fucking post. I never said portraits were representative of skill. Stop putting words in my mouth. Also, I don't obsess over modeling myself to be like HuK and Idra. If you want them to be your role models, fine, but I like having my hard-to-get portraits. No they arent my role models, i am using those 2 because they seem to be the most famous foreign progamers out there, neither care about portraits. Show nested quote +Next we'll be voting for the abolishment of all the higher leagues because the bronze players can't reach that ? Point to me, one person in this thread who even suggested that? If you are in a higher league than someone else you are already "better than them", i said this before and that should be all the prestige you want I am not going to argue with you anymore since you seem hell bent on putting words in my and everyone elses mouth while telling us to "chill" and stop our "fanboy dreams" of Idra and Huk. Blizzard has done alot of different things for SC2 compared to WC3, one of them being how you acquire icons, nobody has complained about this from absolute worst players to the absolute best (do i even dare mention 1 progamer here or will you tell me they are my "heroes?" or that i am "raging"?). If you think the War3 system was better than that is fine, but considering that nobody has complained about this yet and how many things Blizzard need to do (new maps, balance patches, bug patches, 2 new expansions, new Bnet 2.0 features etc) i doubt they have the time or ressources to change things to how you would like them.
You're right that I'm a little irritated that people like you don't read my post. They choose instead to derail it and read the parts they would like to read. Tell me "If you are in a higher league than someone else then you are clearly a better player, is that not enough? Denying that bronze player the ability to get X portrait makes you feel better about yourself? Really?" doesn't show irritation and aggressiveness in your writing when I was simply stating that I found that the length of time it took to get the higher portraits in warcraft 3 made them rare and thus more prestigious than the ones in SC2. I never said that it represented skill.
I suppose that your little tirade "Look at the pro players who actually get paid to play this game, Idra has a Hydra icon, and HuK uses the default ones, what a bunch of scrubs right!? These guys suck!!! Hydra icon? What were you thinking of Grack? You suck! And Huk he is such a noob he dosent even know you can change your icon! LLOLOL" isn't aggressive either? Let me hammer the point in: I NEVER said Portraits were representative of skill.
This thread has now been derailed completely so that members of this community call other entire communities elitist and inferior to our own. Judging from your first post, you didn't even take the time to read my OP and instead to go around inferring that I had a low self-esteem which was why I didn't like the system. You are the one putting words in my mouth when I was simply stating an opinion and asking if others found that perhaps an increase in the threshold of needed wins would make the portraits rare and thus more prestigious. Please indicate where I put words in others' people's mouths? Did you not use HuK and Idra as an example of why portraits weren't important? My exaggeration of you admiring them is not putting words in your mouth. You said it. I suggest you look up what the expression means since you are guilty of it. Besides that, I have simply defended myself and pointed out that you were responding to an assertion I never made.
As for the comment regarding abolishing the higher leagues, it was simply stated because you seem to be scared of any indicator that would separate a hardcore gamer from a casual gamer, thus creating "elitism" in the game. Higher leagues is one of these factors, just as higher portraits would be (not that I'm suggesting that portraits be added for higher leagues. I never did and I never will.)
Also you seem to have selective reading. Many people agree that making it require more play would make the portraits more interesting. Read the posts instead of rushing to your own.
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i dont associate any level of play with those unlockable pictures
those achievement systems invented by blizzard really piss me off, they just try to convince people to play retarded amounts of time to gain stuff which means basically shit
of course everyone can decide by himself how much time he wants to play and has a different opinion on this topic but that is my point of view
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On February 05 2011 23:36 dsxrflol wrote:
i dont associate any level of play with those unlockable pictures
those achievement systems invented by blizzard really piss me off, they just try to convince people to play retarded amounts of time to gain stuff which means basically shit
of course everyone can decide by himself how much time he wants to play and has a different opinion on this topic but that is my point of view
Couldn't disagree more.
Bad players also need an incentive to continue playing, and if icons provide that then it's perfect. I mean, let's say you are stuck in Bronze for 200 games because you are new to RTS, at the very least they get a nice icon for their effort...nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
In fact, I think icons are the perfect "reward" for mass-gaming, while ladder-ranks should resemble true skill. If anything, then the bonus-pool is retarded because it also rewards mass-gaming.
Therefore I agree, Blizz should think about more cooler icons/etc. to gain through mass-gaming. While leaving ladder alone (reducing bonus pool etc.)
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On February 05 2011 20:57 Babaganoush wrote:The only portrait you need. But honestly, I really don't care about any of the portraits "glamor". It's just a picture. What should be shown off is skill, not the thing you see during the loading screen.
hell ya
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What %age of players have Dark Voice? ^^
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On February 05 2011 23:02 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 22:54 insaneMicro wrote:
I actually like some of the easily obtainable portraits better than the high end ones, Reaper, Sentry or Panda Marine are some of the coolest imo.
I also agree that having portraits for winning a certain amount of games in diamond or masters would be pretty rad. Ive been using the Adjutant icon since like the 2nd day of release
Me too. It probably throws people off, since I've since switched to protoss.
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All these years and I'm still a probe =\
I think i left my sc avatar on the generic one because I never look at it
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On February 05 2011 22:18 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +And one more thing. What's wrong with elitism in games? Sure, the attitude is shitty but I don't see why people who play more and have achieved a higher skill can't have a better look... You just answered your own question but head over to WoW forums/Arena Junkies Is that what you want? If you are in a higher league than someone else then you are clearly a better player, is that not enough? Denying that bronze player the ability to get X portrait makes you feel better about yourself? Really?
So a master player to getting a portrait which you'll never get makes you feel bad about yourself? Really?
On February 05 2011 22:18 Tyree wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Look at the pro players who actually get paid to play this game, Idra has a Hydra icon, and HuK uses the default ones, what a bunch of scrubs right!? These guys suck!!! Hydra icon? What were you thinking of Grack? You suck! And Huk he is such a noob he dosent even know you can change your icon! LLOLOL
Ok enough
It is a strange phenomenon how much it seems to annoy some players that a "lesser" player has the same picture icon in the same game they play. It reeks of the WoW mentality that has made that entire community a cesspool. If far better players than anyone in this topic dont care about icons, then why do you care so much?
It's a strange phenomenon how much it seems to annoy some players that a "better" player has a different icon available, for beating harder opponents. It reeks of the WoW mentality that has made that entire community a cesspool.
If many players throughout every skilllevel dont care about icons, then why do you care so much?
You see - this whole "you care - you're an elitist" argument is flawed, because it can be turned around and makes equal sense. You seem to care as much as they do but your point is that they shouldnt care.
Some want to be the special snowflake, because they want to shine. The others want to be part of the masses so they dont look bad. It's the same principle - just different angles.
Btw - I personally don't care - I still use my starting portrait
But I'm really against different portraits in different leagues. That would lead to good players go portrait hunting in those lower leagues ("Oh I still need my 500 bronze league wins for portrait X").
And what happens when 1 player, who had 1000wins in diamond, manages to get masterleague. Do those 1000wins transfer over, or does he has to get 1000 wins while in masterleague? If it's the former I dont really see the point in the system ("Farm 1000wins in bronze, get promoted to master") and if it's the latter I see the amount of allins/cheese grow, because it's the safest way to get into master.
And Protein, since I didnt play much WC3 wasnt it the players fault for constantly restarting their accounts? The playerbase thought those 50-0 accounts were more prestigeous than a portrait?
Would a normal player who just plays one account need that much more time to get a portrait in WC3 compared to SC2? If not - I dont see the whole point. It's a playermade issue :/
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I'd be glad if they brought back the mule portrait. I really miss it.
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The entire point of portraits is for it to be achievable by anyone as long as they devote their time to it. If you want a reward for being in masters or whatever, you're reward is the masters league icon. Portraits are merely a novelty and are designed to look cool, not to be prestigious. That's what ranking is for.
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On February 05 2011 20:22 Santi wrote:
Portraits unlucked by being getting wins in high leagues would be cool.
I think the same.
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I miss the portraits being animated, it was in wc3, why take it out in sc2 =(
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I don't care about the high end portraits as much as I do the new decals for your base while actually playing the game. Yeah I want the Mohander portrait, but I really just want that shiney S by my nexus. And I use the probe mostly anyways because I'm Fadedprobe.
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well the only thing i get from portraits are my opponent has a certain amount of games - if he has some 1k picture that means he made at least 1900 games. But on the other hand if someone is using a low picture i dont get anything. I actually played tons of teamgames and iam close to 750 random wins and i think you get avatars too soon and way to easy. They should add something like 1500 / 2500 / 3500 / 5000 with new patches.
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i agree that having to win x number of games vs masters players should give new portraits, that would make them that much more epic. then the portraits would actually indicate skill, instead of now where even low diamonds can get kerrigan just by playing a couple hours every day.
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should have special portaits for doing something weird or lol in games, like cod "jump and shoot 2 people while still in the air" something like that "kill 80 supply with storm within 10seconds" would be cool tbh
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On February 05 2011 20:44 LunarC wrote:
The portrait system in place IS pretty lame. It would feel more substantial if portraits were divided across leagues, with Bronze-Gold having default-to-500-wins portraits, Platinum and Diamond having default-to-750 wins portraits, and Master league having access to all of the portraits. Or something like that.
or 1000 bronze league games = to 250 master league games that unlock the same portrait.
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On February 05 2011 20:33 HitStarcraft wrote:Whats so stupid about how you are rewarded for portraits are the meaningless wins you can get. For instance thers a bronze that has like 1000 wins by playing silver and bronze players, why should that be compared to someone that gets 1000 wins from master players. I believe it should've been separated as so in a logical manner. Bronze to Platinum obviously getting boring portraits while Masters get their secluded portraits.
This is stupid, that bronze player had to put in just as much effort, if not more as bronze league games without cheese usually go on 30+ minutes, no need to disallow a portrait just because he is not very good
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yes because worse aka more casual players who might actually care about the pictures should get them later than some1 who is masters league and probably doesnt give a f since they are not more than telling you how much games ur opponent played.
edit : not to the poster right above me obviously
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On February 06 2011 02:22 confusedcrib wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 20:33 HitStarcraft wrote:Whats so stupid about how you are rewarded for portraits are the meaningless wins you can get. For instance thers a bronze that has like 1000 wins by playing silver and bronze players, why should that be compared to someone that gets 1000 wins from master players. I believe it should've been separated as so in a logical manner. Bronze to Platinum obviously getting boring portraits while Masters get their secluded portraits. This is stupid, that bronze player had to put in just as much effort, if not more as bronze league games without cheese usually go on 30+ minutes
doesnt make much sense in any way. ofc its way easier to get them in bronze. is it harder and requires more effort to win 1k games in masters or in bronze? this is not even a question.
but the poster above me is right. nothing will change cause the outcry from the lowbies would be huge and why take something away from the lowguys that play for portraits when no on really cares about em anyway.
sure id love to have the kerrigan pic. but given how casual i play (not even 600 laddergames since release) and how i switch between races all the time i doubt ill win 1k z games in masters before hots . but its just a pic so whatever.
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They should just let you use arbitrary portraits ala counter-strike sprays. I don't care about any of the portraits and have the default one right now but if I could make it a picture of an oingo boingo album cover or something I'd be all over that.
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i think that having the dark voice portrait will always be part impressive and part pathetic
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Half the people who had the 1500 win portraits in WC3 used win bots.
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Man, first people complained about the exclusivity of the leagues until Masters was finally introduced, now they've found yet another way to complain about how they still aren't properly hoisted atop the lower-league masses even more, and now demand the portraits be exclusive as well.
Stop. You're being silly.
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I agree with ya , old chat channels was always cool to show around your profile a bit :p, people with spiritwalker + got instantly checked out :D, now its not that special anymore, 2000 would have been better, or even 2500, since we can't make new accounts anyway.. 
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If you want glamour, get in master league. Rollin' around with your master league icon like a boss.
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On February 05 2011 20:17 Megaliskuu wrote:
Portraits never had glamour.
This
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On February 06 2011 01:52 Nagisama wrote:
I miss the portraits being animated, it was in wc3, why take it out in sc2 =(
This.
Also, the thing I am pissed off the most about the portraits is the zeratul one:
![[image loading]](http://starcraft.incgamers.com/gallery/data/525/thumbs/Zeratul_portrait.jpg)
Look at it, that's a terrible angle, compare it to ANY OTHER Zeratul pic.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On February 05 2011 20:22 Tachion wrote:
Going by sc2ranks.com, currently around .1% of the people who play have the 1k wins portrait(for 1v1). One out of a thousand people is hardly "dime a dozen".
ah, but if you're playing at a high enough level to consistently play against experienced players, then it would seem like they were a dime a dozen
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There will be more in the expansions, and I'm sure they will require about the same amount of games to unlock as the current portraits.
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The portraits that come with my collector's edition are enough for me. No amount of game spamming is ever gonna take away their l33tness. :DDD
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On February 05 2011 20:32 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:I got the void ray portrait, the queen portrait, the kerrigan portrait, I never used them? Why? Because the stalker just looks so much cooler, as does the baneling or Valerian or Tosh. Besides, if I have a stalker portrait my opponent will probably underestimate me. :') Having more wins is hardly impressive, having a better win/loss ratio, surel, that's kind of impressive. Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 20:24 Horse...falcon wrote:Blizzard has included so many portraits that it seems they don't have very much room to add or change the portraits in the expansion.
I don't see what other units Blizzard could put in to switch everything up. I bet the art design team at Blizzard would disagree... There will obviously be new units and campaign characters, and therefore new portraits.
Yeh since you have a portrait up for getting to THEIR MMR rating with LESS GAMES they will obviously underestimate you and not think you are better...
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Portraits have no meaning, leagues dont matter, those symbols dont matter either. I know bads in gold 1v1 who have 500-1000+wins at team leagues (and probably 2x as much games total) with portraits. I have sub 410 games in 1v1 and less than 200 team games Id guess. Sure Mohander looks cooler than an immortal but being a better player is what matters (2700D atm).
Id much rather have less games played high 1v1 than any combination of portraits, high games, and relatively low ratings.
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does anyone else remember the Ultra icon from beta? it was for 500 teamgame wins as zerg or something. i normally don't care about portraits at all but this ultra had this big goofy smile and was absolutely awesome, i actually grinded out the games for it. when the game was released, i was very disappointed to find this vague ugly ultra =(((
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On February 05 2011 23:52 dogbreath48 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 20:57 Babaganoush wrote:The only portrait you need. But honestly, I really don't care about any of the portraits "glamor". It's just a picture. What should be shown off is skill, not the thing you see during the loading screen. hell ya
meh. The best portrait is this one:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hcDX9s.jpg)
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On February 05 2011 20:22 Tachion wrote:
Going by sc2ranks.com, currently around .1% of the people who play have the 1k wins portrait(for 1v1). One out of a thousand people is hardly "dime a dozen".
haha thank you.
sure its more common, but the playerbase that started SC2 absolutely DEMOLISHES the wc3 scene that started off.
its n ot even comparable, also try to remember that blizz will surely implement more icons requiring more wins in time
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On February 05 2011 23:52 dogbreath48 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 20:57 Babaganoush wrote:The only portrait you need. But honestly, I really don't care about any of the portraits "glamor". It's just a picture. What should be shown off is skill, not the thing you see during the loading screen. hell ya
HELL YA
After I finished the campaing I looked through the portraits and saw the Pandarine! Been using it ever since I got it.
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On February 06 2011 03:09 Geovu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 01:52 Nagisama wrote:
I miss the portraits being animated, it was in wc3, why take it out in sc2 =( This. Also, the thing I am pissed off the most about the portraits is the zeratul one: Look at it, that's a terrible angle, compare it to ANY OTHER Zeratul pic. + Show Spoiler +
I agree with this rofl, Zeratul is such a bad ass but the portrait for him sucks.
I really do think Blizzard kind of failed these portraits, most of them have such terrible angles that a portrait that should look baller looks terrible.
The rate of gaining portraits is fine imo, but really the portraits themselves are so lackluster.
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On February 06 2011 04:44 RoarMan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 03:09 Geovu wrote:On February 06 2011 01:52 Nagisama wrote:
I miss the portraits being animated, it was in wc3, why take it out in sc2 =( This. Also, the thing I am pissed off the most about the portraits is the zeratul one: Look at it, that's a terrible angle, compare it to ANY OTHER Zeratul pic. + Show Spoiler + I agree with this rofl, Zeratul is such a bad ass but the portrait for him sucks. I really do think Blizzard kind of failed these portraits, most of them have such terrible angles that a portrait that should look baller looks terrible. The rate of gaining portraits is fine imo, but really the portraits themselves are so lackluster. Yeah, I remember that I started the campaign on brutal just to get the Zeratul portrait really (didn't know hard was enough back then), when I got it after finally getting my 1500 extra kills after trying and trying with really my last carrier trying to score zergling kills while some hydras were shooting at it, I was dissapointed with basically the worst Zeratul portrait on the planet.
Now, which one is awesome is:
![[image loading]](http://starcraft.incgamers.com/gallery/data/525/thumbs/Valerian_Mengsk_portrait.jpg)
Hot smoking motherfucker.
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On February 06 2011 03:32 intrigue wrote:
does anyone else remember the Ultra icon from beta? it was for 500 teamgame wins as zerg or something. i normally don't care about portraits at all but this ultra had this big goofy smile and was absolutely awesome, i actually grinded out the games for it. when the game was released, i was very disappointed to find this vague ugly ultra =(((
you mean this one? on the bottom right
![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/2zsbuo6.jpg)
The new one isn't bad, but I do like the old one better. I also just noticed the old baneling looks a little better as well. ah well whatever
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All of the good portraits have shitty achievements linked to them that nobody with a mind would try to get. The achievement/portrait system is pretty gimp. They should have linked portraits to tournament wins.
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The portraits should be recategorized to fit rank and number of wins.
Bronze should get their own portraits.
Silver as well
etc etc
Not only will that show the progression of a play (He has a 200 win portrait in Bronze before he got bumped to Silver where he won 100 games and a portrait before he was bumped to Gold, etc. etc.), but it'll help distinguish those who try to bypass the system by dropping their MMR to unbelievable levels in order to farm achievements.
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I still don't understand why the SC2 portraits can't be animated.
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On February 06 2011 02:31 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 02:22 confusedcrib wrote:On February 05 2011 20:33 HitStarcraft wrote:Whats so stupid about how you are rewarded for portraits are the meaningless wins you can get. For instance thers a bronze that has like 1000 wins by playing silver and bronze players, why should that be compared to someone that gets 1000 wins from master players. I believe it should've been separated as so in a logical manner. Bronze to Platinum obviously getting boring portraits while Masters get their secluded portraits. This is stupid, that bronze player had to put in just as much effort, if not more as bronze league games without cheese usually go on 30+ minutes doesnt make much sense in any way. ofc its way easier to get them in bronze. is it harder and requires more effort to win 1k games in masters or in bronze? this is not even a question. but the poster above me is right. nothing will change cause the outcry from the lowbies would be huge and why take something away from the lowguys that play for portraits when no on really cares about em anyway. sure id love to have the kerrigan pic. but given how casual i play (not even 600 laddergames since release) and how i switch between races all the time i doubt ill win 1k z games in masters before hots . but its just a pic so whatever.
Because of mmr, you always meet a person at the same level as you. Doesn't that mean that a bronze player has to fight just as hard as a diamond player to get his wins?
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I'm not sure if this has been discussed already, but the Terran 1000 solo win icon with Nova BLOWS. I demand a change!
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Portraits never had glamour since they do not show anything but how many games have you played, or how much time did you waste on the WoL campaign.
What I really would like to see in the loading screen is some info about the opponent such as:
1. league and rank
2.wins - losses or just win ratio
3. current streak / results of last 5 games
This would add much more thrill into the game imo
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The could always extend it in the future for you competitive portrait hoarders.
10-25-50-100-250-500-1000-1500-2500...etc.
Also, they add portraits for other things too, like buying the collectors edition, buying a blizzcon ticket, etc. So I am sure there will be plenty of other portraits to be earned both for specific tournaments and other activities. I wouldn't be surprised if they credit accounts with Feats of Strength for players who attend/win etc. various major tournaments.
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one big thing i think in regards to the lack of prestige of portraits is that people actually ladder in sc2 now. if you played wc3 you woudla known it was hack-ridden for the last 2 years pretty mucht hat it was out, and had people playing on GGC (similar to iCCup for thsoe who did broodwar), where your practice games couldn't have any influence on portraits, since it was all LAN based
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On February 06 2011 02:55 Grimjim wrote:
Man, first people complained about the exclusivity of the leagues until Masters was finally introduced, now they've found yet another way to complain about how they still aren't properly hoisted atop the lower-league masses even more, and now demand the portraits be exclusive as well.
Stop. You're being silly. What's wrong with being rewarded for skill?
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i agree with everything the OP said
having played wc3 my self thats also how i feel
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Well apparently people don't care about things that add nothing to the game as much as they did back then.
I can only support it.
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Well it's kind of obvious that as the game progresses, more people are going to get the higher portraits. That's just the way it is. Win ratio is really the defining thing imo if you're going to be "in awe" of something. Anyone can get to 1000 wins if they play enough games, but keeping up a high win ratio is a truly impressive achievement.
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Portraits should be animated like in WC3
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I hoenstly like the potraits, I dont go for them and dont how to get some of them but you wanna know what when I unlock one I go "oh well that's cool". I dont go for them but I most diefeintly like getting thema dn trying on different ones that I see fit. Some people might even have a lucky portrait, (I myself associaite bad luck with a change in my portrait so I keep mine for awhile normally)
Also I dont think there should be speical protraits for the higher league you are, A bronze player playing 100 games used just as much time and effort as somone or played that many games in diamond or masters. People might say that master leaugers face tougher people making it so they have to put in more effort well no it's not true because you face somone your skill level no matter what league so you beating another person in masters takes the same amount of effort as somone in bronze facing somone else in bronze.
plus some people let's just face it suck no matter how much they play, so some portraits would probably never be assiable to some poeple which isnt cool
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People should be awed by your tournament winnings and ladder domination. Seeing a pro-gamers username pop up on the loading screen is much more frightening than a kerrigan portrait.
Your username speaks more than the portrait ever will and I think people should just use whatever they find aesthetically pleasing.
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Yep I am a bit worried, some of the units I feel are out of order (they seem undecided too, they switched bling and roach portrait but really they're the same tier) and the random portraits make things especially confusing and harder to be for sure which portrait is better than what.
Perhaps Blizzard is undecided too but I'm sure they'll figure it out (whether or not in the expansions your W/L record will be reset since it's a new "game" and also whether or not people playing each version of the game will be able to play with each other in some circumstances or if they will be completely separate).
Oh and to answer the prompt, no I think the amount of wins you need for the portraits is good
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I think the system is good as it is.
Do you really want to bring that WoW type of elitism in this game? portraits should be accessible with hard work for all players, not just the top 2%. A bronze player winning 1000 games had to work just as hard as a diamond player with 1000 wins, unless ofcourse he farmed them by drone rushing in bronze but everyone will see he did by seeing the win/lose ratio. So it doesn't really matter. It's about the ratio, not the portraits. The portraits are just a fun thing to get, like achievements.
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On February 06 2011 06:16 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been discussed already, but the Terran 1000 solo win icon with Nova BLOWS. I demand a change!
Nothing wrong with havin a hot blonde baby.
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Agree with OP, blizzard should definitely improve on the portrait system. I mean it's something easy to implement. Sure maybe a lot of people won't give a shit, but I don't think anyone will be against it, and there are those who do appreciate subtle changes like that.
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On February 07 2011 07:49 Touch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 02:55 Grimjim wrote:
Man, first people complained about the exclusivity of the leagues until Masters was finally introduced, now they've found yet another way to complain about how they still aren't properly hoisted atop the lower-league masses even more, and now demand the portraits be exclusive as well.
Stop. You're being silly. What's wrong with being rewarded for skill?
Cause the portrait system was never about skill?
you got the league system for a reason.
The portraits were put in there to show how dedicated you are and how many matches you have won.
Does it realy bother you that much that a lesser player got the same portrait?
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They should make portraits have a league requirement too. I always loved the final Protoss portrait, but seeing a Platinum player with it really killed some of the excitement in obtaining it for me
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Or maybe even make new portraits with league requirements, or maybe even do it WoW Aerna style where at the end of a season the top X% get some kind of reward, for SC2 it could be a portrait since there isn't much else you can really give people
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On February 06 2011 03:32 intrigue wrote:
does anyone else remember the Ultra icon from beta? it was for 500 teamgame wins as zerg or something. i normally don't care about portraits at all but this ultra had this big goofy smile and was absolutely awesome, i actually grinded out the games for it. when the game was released, i was very disappointed to find this vague ugly ultra =(((
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/H5At8.jpg)
This? :S
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There has never been any glamour in portraits They are all too easy or too grindy to get. Not a single one that actually requires skill
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Since when did portraits mean anything at all? They're more than fine the way they are right now. They are not, and never were a symbol of being good or 'elite'.
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On February 07 2011 10:53 HaIf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 03:32 intrigue wrote:
does anyone else remember the Ultra icon from beta? it was for 500 teamgame wins as zerg or something. i normally don't care about portraits at all but this ultra had this big goofy smile and was absolutely awesome, i actually grinded out the games for it. when the game was released, i was very disappointed to find this vague ugly ultra =((( This? :S
Want.
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I'd rather just be able to choose any portrait I want without having to unlock them, personally.
And so would a lot of people. If they let us do that, there'd likely be a lot less people farming wins on the ladder.
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On February 07 2011 12:18 TedJustice wrote:
I'd rather just be able to choose any portrait I want without having to unlock them, personally.
And so would a lot of people. If they let us do that, there'd likely be a lot less people farming wins on the ladder.
and what? you think blizzard want LESS people farming their game for idle achievements?
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I'm in bronze, but I definitely think higher leagues should have exclusive portraits. I see no reason not to have them. People complain about how that would be unfair, and that the bronze player worked just as hard getting 1000 wins as the masters player did. And yeah, that's true. But working hard enough to get into masters should warrant something special too.
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portraits are a poor incentive to win and are perhaps a contributing factor to prevalance of cheese. its probably the reason when you also stats someone and see:
1v1 bronze 8 games played
2v2 silver 22 games played
3v3 diamond 1022 games played
4v4 diamond 744 games played
and a poor or slightly below 50% winrate. (with no bonus pool)
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In beta i thought having the ultralisk was so badass. 50 team wins as zerg, man i trained so hard to get that. Then when the game launched I was like, well I don't care no more.
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Yeah I remember having nice portraits in WC3 was a huge incentive to play... and you could always tell the good players from the rest just with a glance in the chat channel, with a high win icon and a big number next to it.
The answer to Sv1's issue is to not separate solo from team wins, your solo league icon next to your portrait in chat, and a fix to the # of wins required to get the higher icons. This gives people incentive to try and be good at solo so they look good in the chat channels. There also needs to be animated icons in the profile itself (I really don't know how that's not in the game).
Yes the best way to measure skill is from your ladder rank, but people want something that they can keep for all the effort they spent playing, and right now the current icons aren't really doing that much for it.
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I personally think that Selendis is such a sick portrait, but 750 TEAM wins will take forever.
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I think progamers should have the option of getting their own official portrait rendered by Blizzard artists as their player portraits.
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On February 07 2011 12:55 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Yeah I remember having nice portraits in WC3 was a huge incentive to play... and you could always tell the good players from the rest just with a glance in the chat channel, with a high win icon and a big number next to it.
The answer to Sv1's issue is to not separate solo from team wins, your solo league icon next to your portrait in chat, and a fix to the # of wins required to get the higher icons. This gives people incentive to try and be good at solo so they look good in the chat channels. There also needs to be animated icons in the profile itself (I really don't know how that's not in the game).
Yes the best way to measure skill is from your ladder rank, but people want something that they can keep for all the effort they spent playing, and right now the current icons aren't really doing that much for it.
my point was actually that it is easier to gain wins with quick cheese or your teammates carrying you after cannon rushing.
normally youll see a higher ranked player with more solo wins than a player with that many team wins
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I just think they should have some cooler pictures to be honest I don't really feel like I want any of the harder to get pictures because they are just not as cool.
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On February 07 2011 12:38 ceciljacobs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 12:18 TedJustice wrote:
I'd rather just be able to choose any portrait I want without having to unlock them, personally.
And so would a lot of people. If they let us do that, there'd likely be a lot less people farming wins on the ladder. and what? you think blizzard want LESS people farming their game for idle achievements?
By farming wins I meant doing things like mass leaving 4v4 games, mass 6pooling, etc.
Obviously they want people to be playing, but they want them to be playing right.
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Personally i don't think portraits mean a thing, when the game came out i was in the boat of omg gimme dat portrait, but now, everyone easily could of massed games and still be in platinum, just making the portraits really pointless, i really wish they were 3d though :-D
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On February 05 2011 20:31 esla_sol wrote:
average wc3 game was about twice as long with 3x the search time, which is why those icons were rare
DING DING DING
this man speaks truth
Its entirely possible to sit down for 2-3 hours and get 15 games of SC2 out of that time, or even more. If you're good, thats 8-10 wins there.
That wasn't possible in WC3.
Also, I don't know about you guys, but if I was a Bronze player I would not be displaying the 500 wins or 750 wins portrait if I had it. I'd be hiding that shit. All that being in Bronze with over 1000 games played (Having the 500 win portrait) means is that you can't even manage to improve out of Bronze in 1000 games. And that is not something to be proud of.
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I think portraits that require 1000 wins with a given race are pretty impressive.. Takes dedication!!
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I think the problem is that all the portraits look pretty good and so having a 1000 win portrait doesn't make you that special.
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It would be nice to have league-specific portraits or maybe some indication of rank or league in addition to the portrait. That way, it would be quite an interesting way to spice up multiplayer lobbies or loading screens when you see how skilled the other players are.
Currently, there is no indication whether or not the guy with the Dark Voice portrait is a worker-rushing farmer or a real, dedicated player. Portrait farming is just so easy that nowadays it's quite difficult to link portraits with actual skill.
Indeed, I see portraits mainly as a reflection of personality instead of actual skill.
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There's a bronze player I added to my friends list to keep track of him (he has played 18368 games as of writing) that has like 3000 wins in 1v1 out of 7000 games (he has all the 1v1 portraits)
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I think all the terran 1v1 portrait look ugly, zerg has the best lookin portrait.
If they have some metal on the corner of portrait, it will be great.
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Other than the medic portrait (Which I will never get because I'm so awful with terran it's not even fun to play), I'm pretty happy with the portraits, especially in unlocking them. I played Warcraft 3, and while I remember getting my naga sea witch and thinking I was the shit, but I hated the HUGE distance from one portrait to the next. I like the SC2 system where the gap is never larger than 250 and I can get tons of icons while just playing around with friends or in solo slowly, but not too slowly. It's nice after a bunch of wins to suddenly get "NEW ICON UNLOCKED!"
As for expansions, I really REALLY hope they keep the current icons and just add new ones at new intervals. More icons! More variety! Add them at higher and lower intervals alike, up to 2000, every 150 after 100 maybe? I just enjoy changing things up a lot. Right now I oscillate between my sentry and zergling. Low win rates but they're fun to switch through and I'd love to have more. My vote is add a buttload of icons and make them come a bit more frequently, but make us work towards them again from 0. So a 2000 win icon is a neat thing and I get the same icon at 10 and 25 and 50, but a new one at 75, 125, 175, old one at 250, new one at 375, old at 500, etc.
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On February 06 2011 01:47 Enervate wrote:
The entire point of portraits is for it to be achievable by anyone as long as they devote their time to it. If you want a reward for being in masters or whatever, you're reward is the masters league icon. Portraits are merely a novelty and are designed to look cool, not to be prestigious. That's what ranking is for.
Holy shit, Thank god someone in this thread has any sense left.
There is absolutely nothing prestigious about the portraits, all they are is a time investment, If they were 1500 wins, you would be making this thread further down the road when, they were starting to show up more and more.
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The only problem I have with portraits is how Blizzard still hasn't fixed the Kerrigan portrait (from completing the campaign on brutal) to look different from Nova (1000 terran 1v1 wins). Same hair, goggles, face, only thing different is the hair color ffs.
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On February 07 2011 13:06 Sv1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 12:55 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Yeah I remember having nice portraits in WC3 was a huge incentive to play... and you could always tell the good players from the rest just with a glance in the chat channel, with a high win icon and a big number next to it.
The answer to Sv1's issue is to not separate solo from team wins, your solo league icon next to your portrait in chat, and a fix to the # of wins required to get the higher icons. This gives people incentive to try and be good at solo so they look good in the chat channels. There also needs to be animated icons in the profile itself (I really don't know how that's not in the game).
Yes the best way to measure skill is from your ladder rank, but people want something that they can keep for all the effort they spent playing, and right now the current icons aren't really doing that much for it. my point was actually that it is easier to gain wins with quick cheese or your teammates carrying you after cannon rushing. normally youll see a higher ranked player with more solo wins than a player with that many team wins
Umm... sept you could WCG abuse and get every icon easier then you can in sc2.
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On February 05 2011 20:17 Megaliskuu wrote:
Portraits never had glamour.
It was always this for me as well.
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On February 07 2011 13:02 mixXanber wrote:
I personally think that Selendis is such a sick portrait, but 750 TEAM wins will take forever.
Not for those of us who play more team games than 1v1s
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Im still trying to decide whether i should use the kerrigan or void ray portrait. I agree with most of the posts you brang up, and i think they will add things like 1500 win portraits when new expansions/units are released.
Possibly they should animate them, or add something shiny to seperate the master players from the lower ranked players? Just a thought.
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Yeha I would like to see some more variation in portraits and I would love to see them add more but I dont know what they could add. Maybe re design them or add new ones when HoTS comes out (which they probably will with the new units)
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Well, potraits does not have its prestige because its more of a how much you play not how good you are.
If kerrigan portraits is something like over 1000 games won with over 60 percent win rate and the guy has to be in Masters then maybe only 2 or 3 people in the world will have it and sure it will send shivers to everyone who played against them.
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On February 07 2011 14:23 Xyik wrote:
I think the problem is that all the portraits look pretty good and so having a 1000 win portrait doesn't make you that special.
This is true as well.
Not to mention some of the portraits being attached to achievements that are just dumb.
Archon portrait, for example. Win 750 team games as Random? what a fucking stupid achievement for such a cool portrait. get rid of the ugly Carrier portrait for 750 Protoss wins and put the Archon in its place.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
Strangest thing, that Leviathan > Overmind. But I got my favourite character in StarCraft universe with 250 wins faster :-)
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I unlocked the Hydralisk portrait, and don't plan on changing it any time soon. I mean, it'd be awesome to get the Overmind or whatnot, but to me, a lot of the lower leveled portraits are just cooler looking than the higher. Besides... nothing says awesome like going into a match, and having the guy be like "oh, he only has the __________ portrait... guess I can goof off "
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I see where you are coming from.. I think the real way of doing this is more skillful players (top 200 or etc) have certain portraits unlocked for them. That is really the only reason to get the "prestige" back. I dont think increasing the amount of wins will really do all too much =/
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On February 07 2011 15:57 Noxie wrote:
I see where you are coming from.. I think the real way of doing this is more skillful players (top 200 or etc) have certain portraits unlocked for them. That is really the only reason to get the "prestige" back. I dont think increasing the amount of wins will really do all too much =/
I actually agree with this... if you have different pictures for getting into different leagues, it'd be awesome. I mean, anyone can go into Bronze and win 1,000... I must've won at least that many against my one Bronze buddy... it's definitely not hard...
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The portraits which I really go wow at are those like collector's editions ones, like the worgen marine or diablo marine. Obviously blizzard is trying to capitalize on this portrait system, making you pay for the cooler ones.
Still, they are not "prestigious" in anyway. There's probably no way to have something prestigious, yet obtainable by the casual player.
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On February 07 2011 09:35 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 07:49 Touch wrote:On February 06 2011 02:55 Grimjim wrote:
Man, first people complained about the exclusivity of the leagues until Masters was finally introduced, now they've found yet another way to complain about how they still aren't properly hoisted atop the lower-league masses even more, and now demand the portraits be exclusive as well.
Stop. You're being silly. What's wrong with being rewarded for skill? Cause the portrait system was never about skill? you got the league system for a reason. The portraits were put in there to show how dedicated you are and how many matches you have won. Does it realy bother you that much that a lesser player got the same portrait? Nope, but it would be nice
Winning a match against a 3k Masters player compared to a Bronze is really a different matter entirely, so being rewarded in the same way doesn't make much sense.
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On February 07 2011 14:41 Criptos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 01:47 Enervate wrote:
The entire point of portraits is for it to be achievable by anyone as long as they devote their time to it. If you want a reward for being in masters or whatever, you're reward is the masters league icon. Portraits are merely a novelty and are designed to look cool, not to be prestigious. That's what ranking is for. Holy shit, Thank god someone in this thread has any sense left. There is absolutely nothing prestigious about the portraits, all they are is a time investment, If they were 1500 wins, you would be making this thread further down the road when, they were starting to show up more and more.
I loled at this pretty hard. It's pretty obvious most of you don't read any posts at all and are so quick to respond... You've all pretty much been chiming the same thing (your opinion is easily the majority of the thread) and that opinion, which is widespread in this thread isn't even answering the question that I originally asked.
But thanks for your input man.
On another note, let's get rid of the Orlan portrait. Not everyone and their mom can beat 7 FFA comps so it's imba and is providing an elitist mentality in the game. We don't want to become like those other communities, do we? Ew no!
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whenever i am playing a team game and i see a guy with a 1k portrait i just think to myself "game leave abuser el oh el" or something of the sort. and it's pretty common for the masser gamers in 1;1 to have those. for some reason i see so many zergs with 1k+ zerg wins and very few toss/terran with the 1k solo portraits
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I stick with the default Kczyinshinykziiynkzski guy
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I saw the Terran 1000 win portrait on a Bronze ladder player about two months ago; so yes, the portraits based on pure games played aren't exactly impressive. I think currently they're just an interesting customizing aspect for your profile, not really a symbol of prestige.
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Speaking of portraits. Back in WC3, there were tournament wins and such. How come SC2 doesn't have daily/weekly tournaments like in WC3?
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I need 30 wins for Team Random 1000. But I think I'll keep the Archon, it's pretty badass.
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it would be cool if you'd get a portrait for achieving a x amount of wins in a certain league say 50, 100 and 500.Bronze, silver, gold plat, diamond, master and grand master, that would add up to a total of 21 new 'cool' portraits in the game, pretty fair for an expansion i'd say.
In a way I agree with OP, it would be nice to get some portraits fix to some crazy achievements :-)
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i honestly don't know what any of the portraits mean...except kerrigan is 1000 zerg wins...i think.
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Hungary11268 Posts
It *was* a big deal back then when the first player got the random 1500 icon in Reign of Chaos. I think it was Showtime.Werra?
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Portraits are just a result of mass gaming. It doesn't matter if you're the worst bronze player or the #1 master's league dude, you just need 1000 wins to get the portrait. Did you award respect to people with "the insane" title in WoW? Because it's just a grind, not an achievement.
+ Show Spoiler +I mean achievement in the literal sense. Not the "you did something in our game, hooray for you, here's magical internet points" meaning that game achievements have.
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I wish the SC2 portraits were animated like WC3. That's my only beef. I just got the Infestor and I like him.
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portraits don't have glamour, really!
check THIS LINK for Campaign Portrait Achievements.
You can get the solo zen master by playing 10000 random games all in bronze league, 1000 wins as terran, 1000 as zerg, 1000 as toss, all cheeses and the rest are 7000 losses. And after that, you can't play a straigh-up macro game and only get used to games that last 5 minutes
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On February 07 2011 15:55 teh_longinator wrote:I unlocked the Hydralisk portrait, and don't plan on changing it any time soon. I mean, it'd be awesome to get the Overmind or whatnot, but to me, a lot of the lower leveled portraits are just cooler looking than the higher. Besides... nothing says awesome like going into a match, and having the guy be like "oh, he only has the __________ portrait... guess I can goof off "
after i finished the campaign on hard, i used Mengsk's portrait.
After I did it again on brutal, I went on using the same Mengsk, no Sarah Kerrigan.
I don't think that having a certain portrait reflect your sexuality, but a guy having a chick as his avatar is sooooooo gay.
And i'm not changing the Mengsk portrait, unless i get a ghost or a battlecruiser one. The old admiral with mechanical eye is so badass.
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meh i think its fine the way it is. people unlock the portraits they want and use the portraits they want. even if the portraits were more exclusive and i got to that level i would still use my dt portrait cuz its the one i want to use. the only time i really notice is when a whole team has the same portrait
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if i see a kerrigan portrait i shit myself
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