EPTPaying to watch GSL matches... Is it a good idea? - Page 7
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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beat farm
United States478 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:34 Asha` wrote: b) Rebroadcasting the livestream around half a day later to try allow a few more people to catch the actual broadcst at a convenient hour, - exactly. if they restreamed it at like 9pm est time i would fall in love with gom so much. | ||
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Liveon
Netherlands1083 Posts
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blackbrrd
Norway477 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:32 Meta wrote: You can't honestly be saying that the GSL games have better content than foreign tournaments. Either you haven't been watching foreign tournaments or you have a very low standard by which you are entertained. I can honestly say that I think the GSL has the worlds best players at the moment*. This doesn't translate directly into more entertaining games though. For instance, I think the LiquidJinro vs oGsEnsnare ** was the most entertaining match in the GSL. *Not all of them but very close, probably 24 of the 32 best or something. **Set 5, Group H http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors1/vod/59460 | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
As for the VODs, well thats what you are paying for. Most sports and most esports organisations make you pay to watch on demand, why would GSL be any different? If you are that interested in sc2 and GSl then you will pay, its dirt cheap now for 720p VODs and access to a much better stream. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:32 Meta wrote: You can't honestly be saying that the GSL games have better content than foreign tournaments. Either you haven't been watching foreign tournaments or you have a very low standard by which you are entertained. Granted, the GSL does produce top-notch games from time to time but they can't promise quality games and there's no reason they should charge for better quality when most of the time it's just build-order losses and 1-a syndrome with great timing and execution. But this thread isn't about what we, the hardcore fanbase thinks of the system. This thread is about what non-starcraft gamers and the general public as a whole would think of it. Imagine if you will a gamer who's in to high level dota or wow or call of duty and hears about starcraft 2. He plays it and enjoys it, and finds the top level tournament in the sport, only to find he has to pay to watch it. Why should he pay to watch a Blizzard-sponsored tournament when he's already bought their game? It doesn't make any sense and more often than not this hypothetical person would forgo paying all together and either find another source or lose interest all together. I'm defining content by the player base. The GSL has the highest quality of players in the world. Not really up for debate. I can enjoy European and American tournaments and watch plenty, but I also know they're not the best, even if they provide fantastic games. They can't promise "quality games" but they can promise quality, expedience, reliability, etc... The point a lot of people are trying to make is that people seem to think it hurts e-sports that the GSL charges. As if it should be their duty to provide content to as many people as they can. There are insane amounts of free content already available in starcraft 2. If people don't already like the game from that content, then I wouldn't expect them to watch the GSL. Just as I wouldn't expect people who have never seen starcraft 2 games to randomly decide to pay to watch the GSL before seeing any other tournaments first or deciding since the GSL charges they wont watch ANY SC2. People who are willing and able to pay can do so. For those that don't, enjoy the free content provided by plenty of other sites. | ||
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Karthane
United States1183 Posts
I know this is kinda what they are heading towards but the version with ads will still cost money which i don't think is a good idea. Something tells me that if they make it free to watch but have ads between games and on VODS that their viewercount will spike tremendously, and most likely the people that pay to watch now will continue to pay for the HQ content and HQ stream etc. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:36 dabom88 wrote: I don't see the difference to regular TV, really. Missed a program? Tough luck. Should've stayed up or recorded it.People who say "there's a free Live Stream, it's fine" are spouting absolute BS. The times the GSL is on in parts of the world are simply unreasonable to watch them live, like 2-5 AM. Some people have things like school and work they need to do, so saying that there's a "free Live Stream" when people around the world simply watch them due to their time schedules or it being live at an unreasonable time. So no, saying that a free Live Stream that comes on at like 2-5AM is not "fine" if they are trying to broaden their audience. Not to mention it shuts out part of the already-existing fanbase. Same thing with GomTV, BUT there's the added option of watching what you want when you want for 10$. Some people need to get a sense of perspective here. | ||
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Carthac
United States393 Posts
You pay 10 dollars, and you get 3 months of a high quality stream and all the vods. This also helps Artosis and Tasteless earn a decent living. Stop being so cheap, eat ramen for a few days if you have to, and buy the ticket. | ||
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Ryan375
20 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:42 Bobster wrote: I don't see the difference to regular TV, really. Missed a program? Tough luck. Should've stayed up or recorded it. Same thing with GomTV, BUT there's the added option of watching what you want when you want for 10$. Some people need to get a sense of perspective here. Regular TV happens at regular time lol (not 2am-5am)  | ||
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:31 JoeSchmoe wrote: ... and you really think "if it will stop the potential viewers" is worth discussing? perhaps the most trivial question I've seen. It's like saying do you think more people will buy a car if it costs $1 instead of $20,000? The point is that money and profit is a tremendous factor here. You can't just isolate "ideal" variables without considering the whole picture in a discussion. It is a relevant discussion because E-Sports is still a growing scene. SC2 isn't even the biggest esports yet. By increasing exposure, you increase potential sponsors. I would hostly not mind having an ad or two between the matches if it means vods becoming free to be expose to the mainstream population. Also, someone probably brought it up but GSL is free in Korea, why? Precisely because they wanted more viewership from mainstream population. I think Gretech may have thought the foreign scene may be still too small to look for sponsors to sponsor the stream. | ||
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:43 Carthac wrote: The price is EXTREMELY reasonable. This is a sponsored tournament, and GSL is looking to make money because, I know this is going out on a limb here, but companies need money to continue doing business! You pay 10 dollars, and you get 3 months of a high quality stream and all the vods. This also helps Artosis and Tasteless earn a decent living. Stop being so cheap, eat ramen for a few days if you have to, and buy the ticket. Read the OP, of course its definitely reasonable price, if you are a starcraft fan. But for mainstream populace, which includes majority of SC2 players, gets immediately turned off by the fact that you have to pay to be able to watch something like this. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
It would be awesome for them to compensate their inconvenient broadcasting time with a restream or temporarily free VODs, though. Not all of us can spend money so easily, especially younger audiences who probably will have difficulty convincing their parents to pay so much money for videos of a computer game tournament. Then again, I'm sure there are ways of illegally obtaining the VODs, though piracy will benefit you at the detriment of hurting the well-being of the e-sports scene. | ||
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prochobo
United States232 Posts
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:09 vyyye wrote: How does MLG make money? MLG isn't a charity. How does the IEM make money? IEM isn't a charity. How does TL make money? TL isn't a charity. Does MLG and IEM provide HQ vods hours after the game spoiler and commercial free? I actually want to know I've never seen vods from those events admittedly I have a hunch that their model for vod releases is vastly inferior? Teamliquid is superior. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:45 scion wrote: Read the OP, of course its definitely reasonable price, if you are a starcraft fan. But for mainstream populace, which includes majority of SC2 players, gets immediately turned off by the fact that you have to pay to be able to watch something like this. The "mainstream populace" will never watch the GSL unless it's aired on big sports channels in the US and EU anyways. You'll never find a non-gamer visiting GomTV.net and watch Starcraft 2 because he's genuinely interested in it. If he was interested in Starcraft 2 or in SC2 as an eSport, he'd be playing SC2 and thus not be a non-gamer. eSport just isn't like normal sport. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:48 Patriot.dlk wrote: Does MLG and IEM provide HQ vods hours after the game spoiler and commercial free? I actually want to know I've never seen vods from those events admittedly I have a hunch that their model for vod releases is vastly inferior? Teamliquid is superior. There was tons of ads for MLG and I don`t recall any HQ vods either. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:42 Bobster wrote: I don't see the difference to regular TV, really. Missed a program? Tough luck. Should've stayed up or recorded it. Same thing with GomTV, BUT there's the added option of watching what you want when you want for 10$. Some people need to get a sense of perspective here. Like Ryan, says, Regular TV happens at regular time, regular TV isn't on at 2am-5am. You're probably the one that needs to get a sense of perspective. Plenty of people don't think they should have to pay to watch people playing Starcraft. But many of those same people want to support the GSL with views. Saying "Durrr well they should pay for it" isn't an argument. If they don't think they should have to pay, they will settle for the plethora of free-to-watch tournaments or simply pirate the GSL and watch it at a reasonable time. | ||
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Ryan375
20 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:49 heishe wrote: The "mainstream populace" will never watch the GSL unless it's aired on big sports channels in the US and EU anyways. You'll never find a non-gamer visiting GomTV.net and watch Starcraft 2 because he's genuinely interested in it. If he was interested in Starcraft 2 or in SC2 as an eSport, he'd be playing SC2 and thus not be a non-gamer. eSport just isn't like normal sport. Poker. How did that happen? | ||
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beat farm
United States478 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:49 heishe wrote: The "mainstream populace" will never watch the GSL unless it's aired on big sports channels in the US and EU anyways. You'll never find a non-gamer visiting GomTV.net and watch Starcraft 2 because he's genuinely interested in it. If he was interested in Starcraft 2 or in SC2 as an eSport, he'd be playing SC2 and thus not be a non-gamer. eSport just isn't like normal sport. if some rich dude bought tv time on espn and put starcraft on it people would evinchly watch it. | ||
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