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Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
January 30 2011 23:44 GMT
#181
I've seen the HQ live stream, its not that HQ, but its definitely better than LQ. I don't watch VODs so... I don't know about that but, the HQ stream's resolution is still small.
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Befree
Profile Joined April 2010
695 Posts
January 30 2011 23:48 GMT
#182
I have a really hard time encouraging people to watch this. I mean what am I supposed to say to them? Just tell them to wake up at 4 AM? Or just tell them to pay for the VODs?

Games being streamed for free at other times of the day, or free access to SQ VODs would help me (and many others I'm sure) be able to actually encourage people to watch this. As it stands, I'm just demanding way too much from someone if I want them to watch the GSL.

Is there any chance they can cut advertising deals with foreign/international companies to be displayed on the foreign stream?

There's gotta be a large amount of people out there who would watch the GSL, but don't want to them at ridiculous times or pay for them. Wouldn't you think we would be the minority?
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-30 23:57:32
January 30 2011 23:51 GMT
#183
It's hard to tell what GOM should do with their stream without knowing the # of subscriptions they get each month. Would it be more profitable for them to keep charging for the stream, or try to get international advertising within the breaks like they do for the Koreans?

I know nothing about advertising but that seems like a troublesome thing to do. Who is going to want to advertise GLOBALLY on a video game stream? The English stream provides content to what, over 100 countries? That is a pretty damn broad audience to try to reach, There has to be a pretty damn small number of companies that want to advertise to GOM's demographic on such a large scale.

There is a small production team going into the English stream, so there has to be some revenue coming in to cover the costs. I'm sure GOM has examined their options and found that a subscription fee would better fund the English casting than advertising.

It might be difficult to take their word for it, but the BW scene is only just breaking even for the broadcasters, and they have a bigger following than GSL.

I'm of the opinion that whatever GOM has to do to sustain a reasonable profit to cover their expenses and keep doing what they're doing, they should without a doubt do. I love watching the GSL.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
January 30 2011 23:52 GMT
#184
On January 31 2011 08:48 Befree wrote:
I have a really hard time encouraging people to watch this. I mean what am I supposed to say to them? Just tell them to wake up at 4 AM? Or just tell them to pay for the VODs?

You tell them to watch some of the matches' opening games and see if they like them, and if they like them, then they can pay. The same way you tell someone to watch a movie trailer and if they like it, they'll pay ten dollars for a ticket to see the movie.
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
January 30 2011 23:53 GMT
#185
On January 31 2011 08:52 GP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 08:48 Befree wrote:
I have a really hard time encouraging people to watch this. I mean what am I supposed to say to them? Just tell them to wake up at 4 AM? Or just tell them to pay for the VODs?

You tell them to watch some of the matches' opening games and see if they like them, and if they like them, then they can pay. The same way you tell someone to watch a movie trailer and if they like it, they'll pay ten dollars for a ticket to see the movie.


Herein lies the problem though, if someone watches a movie trailer they go to a torrent site and download it, and then complain when quality of movies drops (as it has in the past decade).
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
January 30 2011 23:57 GMT
#186
There is PLENTY of free, high quality SC2 material out there that's directly towards the western community. GSL being a bit "exclusive" does not really hurt the community much at all in my opinion.

GOM seems to be actively pursuing the foreign market, they are bringing in incentives for foreign players, english casting, official stream. All this points towards trying to establish themselves and maybe someday you'll see foreign advertising allowing them to stream high quality free streams. GOM is a fairly small company and they need to do things in a way thats both profitable and sustainable.

We don't really want SC2 to be like BW where after 10 years the only way to watch is via 3rd party restreams (provided by some very dedicated people) with only korean commentary?

OverZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States271 Posts
January 30 2011 23:57 GMT
#187
I've paid for every season so far. It's definitely worth it for the amount of content you get (probably something around 110 hours of content if my estimations are correct). And the money goes to help improve the stream and supporting E-sports! How could you go wrong?
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m4cho
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway29 Posts
January 30 2011 23:58 GMT
#188
Well, you can see the first set for free in the vod section in every match.
So they do give newcomers a chance to get hooked. I watched first set of every match in s2 and bought ticket for s3 and s4 after..
Mr.Minionman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States164 Posts
January 30 2011 23:58 GMT
#189
Not paying for it. Attempted to get a ticket, but the format is confusing, and it's extremely hard to tell what they are selling. I'll just stick to watching free casters and streams, thx.
doomed
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia420 Posts
January 31 2011 00:00 GMT
#190
Yup, im totally fine with them charging for it as well. Just as anything else in the world, nothing is for free... nothing.

My only concern is if they try to push it too much, eg. raising the price because they will very quickly hit a level where people can't be borthered, right now its still a small enough amount that people don't really care.
BetterFasterStronger
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States604 Posts
January 31 2011 00:00 GMT
#191
all the haters can pool there money and invest millions into a e-sport tournament and then make it free to watch for their vods...
Top 200 as Protoss - Switched to Terran. 0-30 against EGiNcontroL... God damnet
Myrtroll
Profile Joined December 2010
139 Posts
January 31 2011 00:02 GMT
#192
The difference is huge between S3 and 4. (paid for both) They are saying all the money goes to improving the stream, and it has helped. I couldn't watch the HQ stream in S3, but it works perfectly now. (except for Idra vs Jinro when we crashed the gomtv site... I should think that says enough about the interest for SC2 )

And as said the stream is free, so I don't really see the issue. They vary times a bit, so you should at least be able to pick up some games, if not in the week then in the weekend.

And for people saying watch other tournaments/husky etc., do you really believe those things comes even close to the quality GSL offers? I've stopped watching husky etc. because they seem to be a month behind GSL in everything, and the games seems low quality in comparison, I just can't go back after watching GSL.

The maps are getting better, the stream is better, the players will be better, next season of GSL should be a blast really.

And as for viewers, it seems to be growing so who knows if the hype is really dying down? It's all about money essentially, and for now it works, with ad's in place it might even be free at some point. HoTS will launch soon, so we will get some release hype again, with the foundation in place. It still has huge potential.
Anomarad
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada565 Posts
January 31 2011 00:02 GMT
#193
They should just play a recorded stream of the last matches every 6 hours or something (like normal TV plays recordings everyday till the next weeks episode). Both parties would win, it would still be beneficial to pay to watch the VODs when you want and which one you want but still allows people who don't want to pull out their CC to watch at appropriate hours in the day.

Problem solved.
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-31 00:04:21
January 31 2011 00:03 GMT
#194
On January 31 2011 07:52 beat farm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 07:49 heishe wrote:
On January 31 2011 07:45 scion wrote:
On January 31 2011 07:43 Carthac wrote:
The price is EXTREMELY reasonable. This is a sponsored tournament, and GSL is looking to make money because, I know this is going out on a limb here, but companies need money to continue doing business!

You pay 10 dollars, and you get 3 months of a high quality stream and all the vods. This also helps Artosis and Tasteless earn a decent living. Stop being so cheap, eat ramen for a few days if you have to, and buy the ticket.


Read the OP, of course its definitely reasonable price, if you are a starcraft fan.

But for mainstream populace, which includes majority of SC2 players, gets immediately turned off by the fact that you have to pay to be able to watch something like this.


The "mainstream populace" will never watch the GSL unless it's aired on big sports channels in the US and EU anyways. You'll never find a non-gamer visiting GomTV.net and watch Starcraft 2 because he's genuinely interested in it. If he was interested in Starcraft 2 or in SC2 as an eSport, he'd be playing SC2 and thus not be a non-gamer.

eSport just isn't like normal sport.

if some rich dude bought tv time on espn and put starcraft on it people would evinchly watch it.


On January 31 2011 07:51 Ryan375 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 07:49 heishe wrote:
On January 31 2011 07:45 scion wrote:
On January 31 2011 07:43 Carthac wrote:
The price is EXTREMELY reasonable. This is a sponsored tournament, and GSL is looking to make money because, I know this is going out on a limb here, but companies need money to continue doing business!

You pay 10 dollars, and you get 3 months of a high quality stream and all the vods. This also helps Artosis and Tasteless earn a decent living. Stop being so cheap, eat ramen for a few days if you have to, and buy the ticket.


Read the OP, of course its definitely reasonable price, if you are a starcraft fan.

But for mainstream populace, which includes majority of SC2 players, gets immediately turned off by the fact that you have to pay to be able to watch something like this.


The "mainstream populace" will never watch the GSL unless it's aired on big sports channels in the US and EU anyways. You'll never find a non-gamer visiting GomTV.net and watch Starcraft 2 because he's genuinely interested in it. If he was interested in Starcraft 2 or in SC2 as an eSport, he'd be playing SC2 and thus not be a non-gamer.

eSport just isn't like normal sport.



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Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
January 31 2011 00:03 GMT
#195
On January 31 2011 08:48 Befree wrote:
I have a really hard time encouraging people to watch this. I mean what am I supposed to say to them? Just tell them to wake up at 4 AM? Or just tell them to pay for the VODs?

Games being streamed for free at other times of the day, or free access to SQ VODs would help me (and many others I'm sure) be able to actually encourage people to watch this. As it stands, I'm just demanding way too much from someone if I want them to watch the GSL.

Is there any chance they can cut advertising deals with foreign/international companies to be displayed on the foreign stream?

There's gotta be a large amount of people out there who would watch the GSL, but don't want to them at ridiculous times or pay for them. Wouldn't you think we would be the minority?


Get them involved in other ways first. GSL isn't the only tournament in the world for great SC 2 action. Hell, give them a top streamer or two to watch. When they get into it more, then revisit the paying for GSL issue.

I understand the time difference issue and if I was new to Starcraft, I wouldn't pay for it. But the solution I mentioned is why I do now pay for it now. GOM has to cater to the timing of Korea because, well, they're in Korea lol. It wouldn't make much sense to cater to us and screw over the people in Korea and make them stream at weird times.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
January 31 2011 00:03 GMT
#196
On January 31 2011 08:58 Mr.Minionman wrote:
Not paying for it. Attempted to get a ticket, but the format is confusing, and it's extremely hard to tell what they are selling. I'll just stick to watching free casters and streams, thx.

Go to gomtv.net.
Click the top banner, starcraft 2 team league February.
Click the banner that says tickets now on sale.
Read about what the premium servers offer, click buy a season ticket.
Scroll to bottom, click purchase.
Fill in payment information.

Congratulations you just bought yourself access to the HQ stream and VODs for the month.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Logarythm
Profile Joined November 2010
United States264 Posts
January 31 2011 00:05 GMT
#197
Just watch the free stream~~~

Free low quality VODs would be great though.
Making bad decisions.
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
January 31 2011 00:06 GMT
#198
On January 31 2011 09:02 Anomarad wrote:
They should just play a recorded stream of the last matches every 6 hours or something (like normal TV plays recordings everyday till the next weeks episode). Both parties would win, it would still be beneficial to pay to watch the VODs when you want and which one you want but still allows people who don't want to pull out their CC to watch at appropriate hours in the day.

Problem solved.


Absolutely lets restream every 6 hrs content that is already hosted on their site for what will mostly be a net loss; You win, not gomtv and you must remember gomtv is a company out to deliver a good product and make a profit. This will not be a win-win so why market it as such?
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
lowkontrast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States855 Posts
January 31 2011 00:07 GMT
#199
If GomTV has to pay a lot of money to offer VODs because of bandwidth, why can't they just upload them to YouTube for free and get money in the process through advertisements?
BleaK_
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway593 Posts
January 31 2011 00:08 GMT
#200
On January 31 2011 06:31 Thurokiir wrote:
I paid, shits so worth it.


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