To be honest this GG GL HF shit really bugs me. I get HF, its a game. The end goal is to have fun. If you want to be polite, wish some one fun and him to you. To hope the game will be good is also a show of politeness. Its this GL thing that bugs me though. Why would you want to wish your opponent LUCK!?! I don't want to lose because my opponent got lucky. I want to lose because he was better than me. I also don't want to win because I got lucky, that's just as bad as losing.
When people give that standard GLHF, I usually remain silent, saving my GGs for the end of the game. I will some times wish HF if I know the guy/am feeling in a good mood. The part that bugs me the most is those guys that do this,
Him: GLHFGG Me: *Silence* Him: No GG? Manners....
That shit gets me. To be honest, I personally don't want my opponent to have fun. I want to demolish and demoralize him with my absurdly good play and insane drops/micro/harass that he is on the edge of his seat the entire game going "HOW CAN I WIN THIS". Thats just me though =P
This is why I open my games with, GL HF DIAF. Because honestly, all those mean shit. I don't wish them good luck, and when I stomp them out they aren't going to "have fun", and DIAF makes them rage. So all 3 are equally retarded.
On April 15 2011 03:08 Owarida wrote: Why would you want to wish your opponent LUCK!?!
Why would you say to a waiter in a restaurant "May I please have a glass of water?" After all, it's his job to get you a glass of water, who cares if it pleases him to get you one!!
The answer is that it's polite to do so and communicates respect to the other person. You may be competing against your opponent in a game, but they're pretty much just like you, and if you're willing to be rude to an anonymous opponent, it doesn't say much about your opinion of yourself.
Edit: Anyone who needs it explained to them why they should be polite to strangers was most likely told one too many times by their mothers that they were a unique and special snowflake.
Good god, how can you overthink this stuff so hard? It's a manner thing, nobody cares if it really is a wish from the depths of your heart that your coworker's morning is good, you say good morning to him because thats what people do when they meet in the morning. glhf and gg are the same thing. I say glhf when a game starts and gg when I lose because it is considered polite and that's it. If I'm impressed with his play I'll add a "well played" or something. Edit: Of course it's fine to greet your opponent with anything else, but saying nothing is rude and that's not a SC2 thing, that's a society thing, you greet people when you encounter them.
On January 25 2011 04:34 parn wrote: Example Me: That's now 5 times in a row my protoss opponent go for proxy gates/cannons, is it school holiday or something? 5th protoss opponent : rage?
Proxy gate and cannon rushing... you could say ITS ALL THE RAGE. Bam.
I dont bother to write gl hf at the start unless my opponenet says it first, but even lately I dont always respond. I use to say it every game in bw, but that was ebcause there was a pregame lobby to chat in. I find it annoying to chat at the start of the game so I often will not respond now. I pretty much always gg at the end because it is what you do. It is part of ending a game. It does not mean "good game", it means "I surrender".
if i ever want to compliment my opponent for his play. it will take place after i lost and it will be in complete sentences. i like to use the kings English
i consider the "gl hf gg etc." to be comparable to the players of a football game shaking hands at the end.. just a show of good sportsmanship (or in this case e-sportsmanship)
What do i mean by "stupid"? I mean that those 6 letters have totally lost their meaning. Saying "gl hf" can be justified in lan competitions, but most of the time when you're playing online it just looks like people are acting as robots, unable to say anything more than those letters, making the "contact" between players even more unhuman. So you can be considered as a "manner" player if you only chat with your opponent using "gl hf gg", which looks quite "stupid" to me.
Personally, if the game wasn't good, even from my perspective, I find it hard to say "good game". If I believe that I've played well and been bested in skill at the end of a game, I type "gg" (However I will always type gg if I win and my opponent types gg first). If the opponent played well, but I didn't play well, I type "wp" and leave the game. If I was my opponent I would consider this bad manner, but I'm alright with it. I always open with "gl hf", and if their name rings a bell or I understand the specific reference I may make a joke/comment about it.
I don't really talk much to the opposing player, mostly because I'm trying to stay focused on my mid-game plan and not getting distracted by small talk. Also, I feel that common competitive drive when playing and don't always want to chat it up with my opponent.
The words themselves have not lost meaning, but the value that veteran Starcraft players attribute to the words has lessened, partly due to the wide appeal that Starcraft II has had in the general public and the less-mature/apathetic audience that popularity tends to drag in.
First off, your poll options are really weak since every single one of them contains at least two answers which do not exclude one another.
Your "is it school holiday or something?" is condescending and BM, it is a personal attack (even when they are in fact in school and it is a holiday. This alone would qualify you as a "rager".
Frustration is not a problem, if you just said "arggghh you're the 5th person to do this to me in a row, I don't know how to beat it", you would have just been frustrated and not BM. This tactic might even yield you a practice partner or whatever, if people say this sort of thing to me I usually offer to do the build another couple of times against them and try to give them some pointers.
I say "gl hf" to each of my opponents. I honestly wish them a nice game playing me, it's called sportsmanship. And hey, for all those "not wanting to wish their opponents luck": if you wish them luck, they get it, and you still beat them; it's a greater achievement, just like beating someone who uses maphack.
When an opponent successfully 6 pools me or whatever I still tell them "gg". They played better than me, they hopefully taught me something. Consider it a handshake after the game is over, a thanks for playing me and showing me a weakness in my build.
On April 15 2011 03:08 Owarida wrote: To be honest this GG GL HF shit really bugs me. I get HF, its a game. The end goal is to have fun. If you want to be polite, wish some one fun and him to you. To hope the game will be good is also a show of politeness. Its this GL thing that bugs me though. Why would you want to wish your opponent LUCK!?! I don't want to lose because my opponent got lucky.
Look, you're reading too much into it.
When you get introduced to somebody in real life, in most cultures you shake hands (or bow in some) and exchange common greetings. I've shaken hands with people I really, really dislike. I wished a "good day" to people I really, really dislike.
While you're doing that, you're not thinking anything like "why would I touch his hand and wrap my hand around his?" or "I don't really care if he has a good day". You just do it. Or alternatively, you refuse to shake hands and you offend the other person that will think you're anything from plain rude to a complete jackass, and rightfully so.
It's the same in Starcraft (and in a lot of sports in pre/post game as well).
It's a cultural/social norm, and a sportsmanship thing. You don't have to mean it. You just do it. And if you don't do it, you'll be considered rude, and rightfully so.
the whole gg thing reminds me of how we all used to line up and slap hands with the other team in a line in little league
"good game good game good game good game good game good game good game good game good game good game good game good game" until we got through all of them
Because seriously, it is... That's what I do after my probe split and control groups, while waiting for 50more minerals for my next probe...
But I really am not any kind of cheesy player, I love 'standard' longer games, and I really wish that my opponent has fun... Maybe a bit less of good luck, but whatever ^^
On April 15 2011 04:41 lurked wrote: I want the option: -"gl hf" is in my build order.
Because seriously, it is... That's what I do after my probe split and control groups, while waiting for 50more minerals for my next probe...
But I really am not any kind of cheesy player, I love 'standard' longer games, and I really wish that my opponent has fun... Maybe a bit less of good luck, but whatever ^^
might as well be polite during that time right? "glhf" is such a habit for me I consider it a part of my build order =P like it's so much a habit that I do it subconsciously. I also gg upon the end of the game. If I really feel like offensive gg'ing I use the term "checkmate" I don't think much of the real meaning of glhf and gg, it's just a tradition I like to follow
I dont say anything generally. I dont care for it. I say you too if they say something to me and gg if they gg. I dont gg myself and only do it if i really feel like it was a close game.
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