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God... THANK YOU FOR THIS POST.
Ive been thinking lately, and almost hating on the community everytime a rage story happened to me.
You dont say GL HF? your an asshole
You dont say GG when you lose? you rage and then he proceeds to chat with you and type "SAY GG"
You dont talk to him? No matter what happens to you, it can be a bad day, you just dont want to talk to anyone, whatever. You dont talk? your raging. You dont do what he expects you to do? you rage again.
sigh... i hope the entire world reads this post and thinks a while about it. Seriously, its getting so absourd that i dont even want to play anymore.
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On January 25 2011 05:12 SpooN) wrote:
i honestly think the whole glhf gg thing is complete bullshit. the only times i think it is appropriate is if you are playing with a teammate and you ACTUALLY wish him a good game and to have fun playing it too. on ladder, or in competitive tournaments, the connotations that go along with saying them really just irk me. I DONT want the guy i need to beat to have better luck than I, and i hope he plays horribly so i can beat him. If he has fun doing that, so be it, but i doubt he will.
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All of this came after switching to zerg XD, people told me it would be frustrating, they were right.
First off, it sounds to me like you're struggling with where you are in the game right now, and not really enjoying it as a result. If this is making you turn inward and resent the people against whom you're playing, it might be time to take a break for a while. You might enjoy the game more when you come back.
Second, polite formulations like saying "please" and "thank you" to people in real life, or "gl hf" in the game, serve a different function socially than you think they do. Obviously when you're playing the game you're going to do your best to win, but "gl hf" at the start or "gg" at the end is intended to communicate respect for your opponent as a person and nothing more. Even if they choose a strategy you consider cheap, and you are not impressed with their play, at least an effort to remain personally respectful of your opponents will get you in a better mental state to think about what could have gone differently when you lose rather than blaming them for your loss.
Edit: I don't have any problem with someone not saying gl hf at the start or not saying gg should they lose, but I do it every single time. I'm not going to get sucked into the trap of resenting my opponent when it's on me to succeed against them.
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I consider it a manner thing to say gl hf but if my opponent doesn't, I don't think badly of them. And all that crap you listed can be raged about. It doesn't matter what its about, just that they are pissed off and writing about it at the end of the game, and insulting you. What's so hard to understand about that?
When it comes to GG though, it's just considered courteous to say it after a loss. If you're not doing it, your pissed off about losing, and you aren't giving your respects to your fellow gamer. In Starcraft we've always separated ourselves from certain other unnamed genres of games, and this convention is one of those small things that helps us do that.
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Lets be honest, even the computers say gg now a days. It means nothing :D
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On January 25 2011 05:34 Loophole wrote:
The game isnt as well balanced though, and some people are pissed about it, which I guess I can understand to a point.
Problem is that there are too many people out there who blame their own weaknesses on the game being imbalanced. There probably aren't that many people on the ladder who are playing at a level that they can really discern imbalance from their own blind spots.
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note: i understand being in a bad mood after a shitty day, when you just want to play a game to relax and not talk to anyone or engage in frivolous 'good manner' just because; or on occasion when you're too upset with your own mistakes you just f10n and go take a smoke. this post is not about those situations. it's about people who make a point out of avoiding what is generally considered 'good manner'
you are engaging in a social activity, glhf is just a polite thing to say acknowledging the real person on the other line and that the game is meant to be a pleasurable activity.
if you cba typing 2-4 letters or 2 words to show some respect to the opponent at the start of a competitive activity in which both of you are engaged, and all you care about is the actual game itself, you yourself aren't really playing for fun and are a robot even moreso than the chaps who type glhf without it actually meaning anything to them - the definition of 'being a robot' is actually quite the reverse of what the op thinks in this case; therefore if you're one of these guys, please cut the' i use the terminology' "only if they do it first" or "only if it was a good game" bullshit, that's missing the point of good manners entirely and imho you're one of those escapists who hide behind their internet id's unless proven otherwise
as for saying gg, ye it can get frustrating to get cheesed or allined and such, but different peole think different tactics are cheese or allin and many a times they're not. now if you can't take the loss in a game like a man and acknowledge it was your fault for not being able to defend it OR when being in a situation that you think is the result of imbalance you can't control your frustrations to not go on tilt and rage at people, you probably shouldn't be playing this game, or need to grow up.
to address the op, all the options in the poll are rage imo, when you discard politeness and vent your frustrations by insulting people or trying to demean them to justify for your loss in a game, you're not deserving of a reply or attention. the proper response is stay calm, ignore,or at the most underline the fact that they lost and need to stfu, learn from it, and move on
and the gg, glhf, you don't need to use them, but it would be damn decent of you if you did say a couple polite words to a person that you're basically making first acquintance with - who might be a cheeser, but might also give you the most orgasmic macro-fest 1hour long game that you start talking for another hour after about and become friends-, and it helps keeping the online experience more enjoyable for everyone, which is kinda the point, this being a game and all ya'know. who knows, you might even start some good chats with people that cannon rush you, if you don't act like a robot teenager who's never anything but movie subtitles in his life
glhf, i wish you plenty of gg's. that is, unless you're rude, a rager, qq'er, and other such
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I rage but I try not to rage through the game at the other player unless it's cheese. I mostly just yell and smash things if I lose to my own stupid mistake.
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The term rage is definitely overused in gaming (i.e. IdrA leaving a game that he has clearly lost without typing "gg"). There is nothing there that would reasonably show that he is violently angry while leaving. Maybe he just doesn't want to talk to you. Maybe he if actually really happy because he bet Artosis that a certain build is not viable and they placed a bet on whether or not it would win, and losing the game just won him 100 bucks.
Honestly a lot of the time people type "raggee" in these scenarios, it is them who are actually being BM by antagonizing their opponent and being "bad winners".
I play some left 4 dead 2, and sometimes in pub games one team will start out just roflstomping the other. To a good player it quickly becomes apparent that the other team is much better and that him and/or his teammates are nowhere near good enough to beat them. So why stay? He needn't be angry about it whatsoever, he just admits defeat and moves on to find a more competitive (read: fun) game.
I agree that people who *literally* rage are ridiculous and take their gaming too seriously (unless its your living in which case its reasonable to be frustrated with failing to make progress since your success depends on it). At the same time though most instances I see of people typing "rage LOL" into chat is not pointing out the BM of others, but actually BM bad winners who for some twisted reason take pride in the (often mistaken) idea that they, by winning, have made someone very angry and upset. Pretty sad...
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On January 25 2011 05:06 Chill wrote:
I think your premise is pretty flimsy. "That's now 5 times in a row my protoss opponent go for proxy gates/cannons, is it school holiday or something?" is you talking down to someone, of course he's not going to respond positively. You can avoid the typical glhf & gg without condescending on someone.
You're right, but what i tried to show with those 2 lines is that whatever you say, people can call you a rager, when it's really not the case. In this example, i wasn't mad at all, i don't care about losing to a cheeser, i mean, i may even feel sad for him.
This thread is more about the fact that rage is, according to me, totally overused. To be honest, i think that lots of people really love to see their opponents raging, they're just waiting for any sign of negative response to go that way and ... "having fun" calling him a rager.
Just think about that "rage stories" thread, why is there so many people reporting (supposed) "rage stories"? And why so many readers? What's so fun in reading insults, hate words, etc ...?
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On January 25 2011 05:52 parn wrote:
Just think about that "rage stories" thread, why is there so many people reporting (supposed) "rage stories"? And why so many readers? What's so fun in reading insults, hate words, etc ...?
Making fun of antisocial behavior is one way social groups reinforce the pressure not to behave that way, and I think many of the posts are motivated by people who have had experiences that make them wonder why someone would ever act like that.
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Very nice polls, although i would vote on multiple definitions of rage.
And also, when i get raged at, I always answer something very short, and something that I think will make the guy even more angry.
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why does rage need to be depicted so deeply?
its pretty silly-like simple.
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In my opinion, saying gl hf to a zerg as a protoss or terran is BM and it pisses me off every time.
I know you disagree, but guess what? - I dont give a fuck.
Whenever I encounter those abbreviations I think to myself he's probably thinking gl (fending off my 4gate/bunker rush) hf (fending off my 4gate/bunker rush), but hey!, only 95% of the games are 4gates or 2rax bunker rushes :D :D
I never say anything in the beginning (except my opponent is a Zerg, yes I'm a racist), because I always regret it. When I say hf or wish him good luck he does some cheesy shit and I think to myself, why the fuck did I wish him good luck in the first place?
I also think it's BM saying good luck or have fun if you don't mean it - and who really wishes his opponents good luck? - idiots.
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On January 25 2011 06:10 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 05:52 parn wrote:
Just think about that "rage stories" thread, why is there so many people reporting (supposed) "rage stories"? And why so many readers? What's so fun in reading insults, hate words, etc ...? Making fun of antisocial behavior is one way social groups reinforce the pressure not to behave that way, and I think many of the posts are motivated by people who have had experiences that make them wonder why someone would ever act like that.
Cmon ... check this topic we're talking about, we're far from "reinforcing the pressure" and "people wondering why".
Reading "rage stories", i really think that a lots of people consider those stories as a trophy, most of the time they are like: "look at how strong i am, how mad he gets at me raping him" while in fact the "rager" does not look angry at all and the "wise" guy is indeed a newb.
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I stopped saying GLHF as it messes with my early game thought processes as I really could care less if my opponent has luck or fun. I want to have fun and if he can't have fun, that's his problem.
I only say GG if the game was actually a good game. I don't say good game just because I lost otherwise that would detract from games that are actually good when I GG out of a game that was terrible.
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I used to not say GG if I lost to cheese, but then I realized that if I was too incompetent to stop it, I was the worse player, so I try and GG every game. The only exception is when I get someone who offensive GGs, in which case I simply leave.
The Gl Hf GG thing for me is all about not raging, actually. If I say these things, I'm less likely to obsess over and be angry at my loss.
I don't consider it BM if someone else fails to, I just check a little harder for cheesy plays.
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Pretty much any random stranger that feels the need to say anything unrelated to gg at the end of the game is a rager in my eyes. Compliments, friendly conversation and whatnot are exceptions.
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On January 25 2011 07:07 prototype. wrote:
Pretty much any random stranger that feels the need to say anything unrelated to gg at the end of the game is a rager in my eyes. Compliments, friendly conversation and whatnot are exceptions.
you should not play this game nor interact with other human beigns for posting that.
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I tend to allways say glhfs and stuff in the beginning. I don't gg when I felt I played terrible. I sometimes just walk away from the computer while I'm still ingame, this only happens when I'm on tilt.
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