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IdrA interviewed after RO16 of GSL Code S - Page 3

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pfods
Profile Joined September 2010
United States895 Posts
January 15 2011 18:07 GMT
#41
On January 16 2011 02:44 fontana wrote:
Show nested quote +
plus zealots > lings, micro'd stalkers > roaches fact.


And speedlings > stalkers, micro'd roaches > zealots. fact


Because every GSL level protoss will often do the very standard mass zealot vs roaches or mass stalkers vs speedling builds that have become so popular lately.
xza
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore1600 Posts
January 15 2011 18:48 GMT
#42
right now the real question is, who will ret side with?

Jinro his teammate?
or his zerg 'bro' idrA?

User was warned for this post
"What a terrible final. This is why BO3s are horrible. Seriously MKP vs Moon in a final and having it BO3 is like having Mila Kunis naked in your bed and all she'll give you is a HJ with her PJs on. Pffffffffffffffftt." -greatZERG
frumpylumps
Profile Joined September 2010
61 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-15 19:48:17
January 15 2011 19:42 GMT
#43
unfortunately it is much easier to blame the game for why you lose than try and figure out what you could be doing to become better as a player.

idra finally learned to play vs terran and he then moved on to complain about the next matchup he loses most often.
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
January 15 2011 20:26 GMT
#44
People act like IdrA whines and complains a lot, but he's being INTERVIEWED, and he's just being honest about what he thinks the state of the game is. It's not like he's going out of his way to make excuses and say things like, "well if I lose the next game, it's only because protoss is OP."

IdrA's just a very, very honest person.
For Aiur???
Copenap
Profile Joined October 2010
723 Posts
January 15 2011 21:24 GMT
#45
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Murdaa
Profile Joined January 2011
United States32 Posts
January 15 2011 21:59 GMT
#46
^ LOL that my friend is awesome




Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
January 15 2011 22:19 GMT
#47
On January 16 2011 01:11 kcdc wrote:
Hydras are like marines--insanely impossibly strong against everything that Toss has except collosus and storm, but they get rocked stupidly hard by those two options. Terran and Zerg will complain about collosus and storm, but Protoss is equally right to complain that they auto-lose to marine or hydra compositions of half the cost of P's army until they have their late game tech.

Protoss's game logic goes something like this:

P's T1 units are exceptionally weak for cost in the mid-game. Marines, marauders, roaches, hydras and zerglings will beat any gateway composition for cost pretty comfortably. This is offset in two ways. In the early game, warpgates allow P to get extra units early on if they choose to do so, so P can build enough crap to defend or be aggressive despite their weaker units. As the army sizes grow, however, the weakness of the T1 units becomes increasingly exposed, so this is offset in the mid and late game by insanely strong tech options in collosus and storm.

Zergs and Terrans complain about Protoss late game, but Protoss has no answer to comparable cost roaches until Protoss reaches 180+ food.

FORCEFIELDS. There just solved your midgame toss problem
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-15 22:37:54
January 15 2011 22:33 GMT
#48
On January 16 2011 07:19 Endorsed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 01:11 kcdc wrote:
Hydras are like marines--insanely impossibly strong against everything that Toss has except collosus and storm, but they get rocked stupidly hard by those two options. Terran and Zerg will complain about collosus and storm, but Protoss is equally right to complain that they auto-lose to marine or hydra compositions of half the cost of P's army until they have their late game tech.

Protoss's game logic goes something like this:

P's T1 units are exceptionally weak for cost in the mid-game. Marines, marauders, roaches, hydras and zerglings will beat any gateway composition for cost pretty comfortably. This is offset in two ways. In the early game, warpgates allow P to get extra units early on if they choose to do so, so P can build enough crap to defend or be aggressive despite their weaker units. As the army sizes grow, however, the weakness of the T1 units becomes increasingly exposed, so this is offset in the mid and late game by insanely strong tech options in collosus and storm.

Zergs and Terrans complain about Protoss late game, but Protoss has no answer to comparable cost roaches until Protoss reaches 180+ food.

FORCEFIELDS. There just solved your midgame toss problem


Forcefields are not enough, upgraded roaches with speed upgrade are just too cost-efficient, particulary considering that the Zerg is often 1 base ahead of the Protoss.
You basically have to hope that the Zerg will engage you in a terrible situation to have a chance.

When roaches had range 3 it was a unit which was really terrible against microed stalkers-sentries/marauders, but right now it's too strong for me.
We're back to beta time.

Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
January 16 2011 01:16 GMT
#49
On January 15 2011 13:49 Corwin wrote:
Great interview! Idra is surprisingly frank. Given the BM between Genius and Idra, I didn't expect Idra to admit that he thought he was going to lose.


Any BM they have between them is just them trash-talking each other for fun. They're friends from their days at CJEntus.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
January 16 2011 01:49 GMT
#50
YES! Idra even says ZvP is the worst match-up for Zerg currently which I 100% agree with.

I'm also feeling that Zerg is still the worst race right now... just my opinion.

<--Random Master player (not saying I'm PRO, just that I'm not bronze at least...)





hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
January 16 2011 02:45 GMT
#51
Why do spoilers in these comments matter? The OP itself says how many games IdrA won in the first sentence...
RuN1
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil13 Posts
January 16 2011 02:45 GMT
#52
Ah bit short but still nice to see what he thinks the buffs should be.
Its no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
January 16 2011 04:29 GMT
#53
Hahaha the mod edit with the spoilers already in the OP
< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
January 16 2011 04:29 GMT
#54
On January 16 2011 11:45 hmunkey wrote:
Why do spoilers in these comments matter? The OP itself says how many games IdrA won in the first sentence...



Read a few posts above yours where the guy got warned.
bisu fanboy
Valcio
Profile Joined January 2011
Mexico64 Posts
January 16 2011 05:18 GMT
#55
On January 15 2011 18:53 robih wrote:
he is listing all the stuff that hydras counter, and then comes up with two units which counter hydras and those require massive teching, yet he is whining that they get countered by them....

go play toss and whine about marauders countering your race


Wow really? I mean, you can get Colossus really fast and youst tech slowly to HT and theres not much Zerg can do about it, a good Protoss wil keep constant pressure and if you focus the Coruptors well they Hydras literaly evaporate.
Yea, jelly donuts can be scary some times-Mokou
naggerNZ
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand708 Posts
January 16 2011 05:43 GMT
#56
Let's be honest, we can sit here and play "who has it worse?" all day, but you're joking if you don't think Zerg has some difficulties in ZvP. In many ways, I think that adds to the character of both Zerg as a race, and the Zerg player. If IdrA genuinely felt that these difficulties weren't beatable, he wouldn't play Zerg.

But to get angry when he responds DIRECTLY TO A QUESTION regarding what he thinks would be the best fix for Zerg right now, is to be more bad mannered than IdrA ever had a reputation for.

IdrA is betta than all o' yall
wakkawa
Profile Joined December 2010
United States24 Posts
January 16 2011 06:18 GMT
#57
I am super pumped that starcraft players are answering their interview questions like Nascar drivers.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 07:27:27
January 16 2011 07:23 GMT
#58
Interesting how this got diverted from the topic. Great interview. Especially the bit about who he wants to play next round. Also agree with the point... you did ask him the question.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
January 16 2011 09:06 GMT
#59
Wow... Idra's interviews never cease to amaze me at how well spoken he is. He is always so dead on about what Zerg is lacking at the moment. Hydras r a seriously broken unit, pretty much countered so easily, so slow.
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 09:39:56
January 16 2011 09:37 GMT
#60
I'd like to point out that Idra never said that P was overpowered or called for a nerf. He just said that in his opinion it's Zerg's hardest match up right now. So I'm going to assume that means it's his hardest match up. I really would be amazed if Idra seriously thinks that Protoss is overpowered because frankly they've just gotten their first actual buff in god knows how long and all it did was make observers cheaper and make pheonix get built quicker.

Racial balance is actually really good right now even if some Zergs are having trouble with Protoss.

edit: And I'd probably disagree with Idra asking for a Hydra buff. Maybe make them a bit quicker but they don't need a "significant buff."
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