Because every GSL level protoss will often do the very standard mass zealot vs roaches or mass stalkers vs speedling builds that have become so popular lately.

xza

Singapore1600 Posts

January 15 2011 18:48 GMT

#42

right now the real question is, who will ret side with?

Jinro his teammate?
or his zerg 'bro' idrA?

User was warned for this post

frumpylumps

61 Posts

January 15 2011 19:42 GMT

#43

unfortunately it is much easier to blame the game for why you lose than try and figure out what you could be doing to become better as a player.

idra finally learned to play vs terran and he then moved on to complain about the next matchup he loses most often.

Fighter

Korea (South)1531 Posts

January 15 2011 20:26 GMT

#44

People act like IdrA whines and complains a lot, but he's being INTERVIEWED, and he's just being honest about what he thinks the state of the game is. It's not like he's going out of his way to make excuses and say things like, "well if I lose the next game, it's only because protoss is OP."

IdrA's just a very, very honest person.

Copenap

723 Posts

January 15 2011 21:24 GMT

#45

Murdaa

United States32 Posts

January 15 2011 21:59 GMT

#46

^ LOL that my friend is awesome

Endorsed

Netherlands1221 Posts

January 15 2011 22:19 GMT

#47

On January 16 2011 01:11 kcdc wrote:
Hydras are like marines--insanely impossibly strong against everything that Toss has except collosus and storm, but they get rocked stupidly hard by those two options. Terran and Zerg will complain about collosus and storm, but Protoss is equally right to complain that they auto-lose to marine or hydra compositions of half the cost of P's army until they have their late game tech.

Protoss's game logic goes something like this:

P's T1 units are exceptionally weak for cost in the mid-game. Marines, marauders, roaches, hydras and zerglings will beat any gateway composition for cost pretty comfortably. This is offset in two ways. In the early game, warpgates allow P to get extra units early on if they choose to do so, so P can build enough crap to defend or be aggressive despite their weaker units. As the army sizes grow, however, the weakness of the T1 units becomes increasingly exposed, so this is offset in the mid and late game by insanely strong tech options in collosus and storm.

Zergs and Terrans complain about Protoss late game, but Protoss has no answer to comparable cost roaches until Protoss reaches 180+ food.

FORCEFIELDS. There just solved your midgame toss problem

TeWy

France714 Posts

January 15 2011 22:33 GMT

#48

On January 16 2011 07:19 Endorsed wrote:

Show nested quote +

FORCEFIELDS. There just solved your midgame toss problem

Forcefields are not enough, upgraded roaches with speed upgrade are just too cost-efficient, particulary considering that the Zerg is often 1 base ahead of the Protoss.
You basically have to hope that the Zerg will engage you in a terrible situation to have a chance.

When roaches had range 3 it was a unit which was really terrible against microed stalkers-sentries/marauders, but right now it's too strong for me.
We're back to beta time.

Mainland

Canada551 Posts

January 16 2011 01:16 GMT

#49

On January 15 2011 13:49 Corwin wrote:
Great interview! Idra is surprisingly frank. Given the BM between Genius and Idra, I didn't expect Idra to admit that he thought he was going to lose.

Any BM they have between them is just them trash-talking each other for fun. They're friends from their days at CJEntus.

SniXSniPe

United States1938 Posts

January 16 2011 01:49 GMT

#50

YES! Idra even says ZvP is the worst match-up for Zerg currently which I 100% agree with.

I'm also feeling that Zerg is still the worst race right now... just my opinion.

<--Random Master player (not saying I'm PRO, just that I'm not bronze at least...)

hmunkey

United Kingdom1973 Posts

January 16 2011 02:45 GMT

#51

Why do spoilers in these comments matter? The OP itself says how many games IdrA won in the first sentence...

RuN1

Brazil13 Posts

January 16 2011 02:45 GMT

#52

Ah bit short but still nice to see what he thinks the buffs should be.

Spenguin

Australia3316 Posts

January 16 2011 04:29 GMT

#53

Hahaha the mod edit with the spoilers already in the OP

fearus

China2164 Posts

January 16 2011 04:29 GMT

#54

On January 16 2011 11:45 hmunkey wrote:
Why do spoilers in these comments matter? The OP itself says how many games IdrA won in the first sentence...

Read a few posts above yours where the guy got warned.

Valcio

Mexico64 Posts

January 16 2011 05:18 GMT

#55

On January 15 2011 18:53 robih wrote:
he is listing all the stuff that hydras counter, and then comes up with two units which counter hydras and those require massive teching, yet he is whining that they get countered by them....

go play toss and whine about marauders countering your race

Wow really? I mean, you can get Colossus really fast and youst tech slowly to HT and theres not much Zerg can do about it, a good Protoss wil keep constant pressure and if you focus the Coruptors well they Hydras literaly evaporate.

naggerNZ

New Zealand708 Posts

January 16 2011 05:43 GMT

#56

Let's be honest, we can sit here and play "who has it worse?" all day, but you're joking if you don't think Zerg has some difficulties in ZvP. In many ways, I think that adds to the character of both Zerg as a race, and the Zerg player. If IdrA genuinely felt that these difficulties weren't beatable, he wouldn't play Zerg.

But to get angry when he responds DIRECTLY TO A QUESTION regarding what he thinks would be the best fix for Zerg right now, is to be more bad mannered than IdrA ever had a reputation for.

IdrA is betta than all o' yall

wakkawa

United States24 Posts

January 16 2011 06:18 GMT

#57

I am super pumped that starcraft players are answering their interview questions like Nascar drivers.

Sabu113

United States11046 Posts

January 16 2011 07:23 GMT

#58

Interesting how this got diverted from the topic. Great interview. Especially the bit about who he wants to play next round. Also agree with the point... you did ask him the question.

FlamingTurd

United States1059 Posts

January 16 2011 09:06 GMT

#59

Wow... Idra's interviews never cease to amaze me at how well spoken he is. He is always so dead on about what Zerg is lacking at the moment. Hydras r a seriously broken unit, pretty much countered so easily, so slow.

overt

United States9006 Posts

January 16 2011 09:37 GMT

#60

I'd like to point out that Idra never said that P was overpowered or called for a nerf. He just said that in his opinion it's Zerg's hardest match up right now. So I'm going to assume that means it's his hardest match up. I really would be amazed if Idra seriously thinks that Protoss is overpowered because frankly they've just gotten their first actual buff in god knows how long and all it did was make observers cheaper and make pheonix get built quicker.

Racial balance is actually really good right now even if some Zergs are having trouble with Protoss.

edit: And I'd probably disagree with Idra asking for a Hydra buff. Maybe make them a bit quicker but they don't need a "significant buff."