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Horrde
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada302 Posts
January 17 2011 13:02 GMT
#81
Everytime I hear Idra's opinion on something, he always feels like he's getting the short end of the stick. The stars and planets always seem to align to make Idra's SC2 journey the worst possible path for him to reach the top somehow.
buckyboreto
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria5 Posts
January 17 2011 14:16 GMT
#82
On January 15 2011 18:51 MOMOPEWPEW wrote:
stop reading the comments before the interview

you got me
Lefnui
Profile Joined November 2008
United States753 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 22:21:14
January 17 2011 22:20 GMT
#83
On January 17 2011 14:29 overt wrote:
Imbalanced? Yes. Ridiculously imbalanced? No. Zerg players were still winning games against Terrans and Terrans weren't insanely dominant.


The fact that Zerg players were still winning games proves absolutely nothing. That is an extremely high standard for imbalance. Of course the far weaker race is going to be able to take games. And yes, Terran was extremely dominant during that time.

There's not much of a point in arguing semantics as we both agree that ZvT was imbalanced but most people were blowing it way out of proportion.


No, it's not a matter of semantics as the second portion of that sentence shows. It's the fact that you are trying to minimize the massive imbalances that have existed. It's all part of your insane theory that Zerg players just happen to complain way more than the other races. A concept which has absolutely no basis and contradicts common sense. Please explain how a certain race of players would just happen to be full of "whiners".

ZvP has problems and I'm sure Zergs have had issues with the match up since beta. Just like PvZ has had problems since beta. Or any match up.


You're completely wrong about that. Don't conflate the match ups as if they have all had equal difficulties. There is an absolutely massive difference between the issues that have existed in PvZ and ZvP. PvZ was difficult for what, a few weeks before Roaches received huge nerfs? ZvP on the other hand has been an ongoing issue from almost the very start. Colossi with Force Fields on tiny maps full of narrow chokes is a serious problem, it's not merely newbs whining.


Yet Zergs are honestly performing at the same level as Protoss players.


Yes, because ZvT has become much more pleasant than PvT. A much more meaningful comparison would be to look at the results of this specific match up, not overall results.

For whatever reason Zerg players are complaining far more and far louder than Protoss or Terran players.


And again you're totally unable to explain how that could be. When there is absolutely no logical explanation for what you're stating, that's usually a pretty good indication that you're talking nonsense. My theory on the other hand has a very clear and simple explanation: That Zerg has been by far the weakest race, and thus Zerg players have complained much more.

ZvP isn't imbalanced and as of right now doesn't need tweaking from Blizzard. So yeah, let's hope that we don't have to endure endless whine threads from Zergs about how broken ZvP is


You have to love how these people never detect even a hint of irony about the fact that they are whining and crying... about people whining and crying. I don't know why people are so bothered by reading comments that question balance. When I read T and P newbs complaining about a supposed imbalance it doesn't bother me at all. Perhaps you should take your own advice and stop complaining.
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
January 18 2011 09:51 GMT
#84
IdrA seems to really lack confidence these days, I am always waiting to tell us he quits after a loss. That would be really sad.
TrickyCat
Profile Joined April 2010
United States15 Posts
January 18 2011 20:31 GMT
#85
On January 17 2011 16:04 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 15:42 Alpina wrote:
overt:

Who are you that you are so sure that ZvP is balanced? I mean noone knows for sure and it's impossible to know such thing, so why you are so confident at what you say? Looks like you are just afraid that your race may be nerfed and that's all.


I have never heard a pro Zerg call it imbalanced. Zerg and Protoss performance in tournaments is almost identical (and in many cases Protoss are actually behind Zerg). From matches I've both played and watched I don't feel like it's imbalanced.

My race has been nerfed in every patch minus the last one. So I'm used to nerfs and I haven't complained about the Protoss nerfs either. I don't even know if they needed the pheonix buff (although the observer buff is excellent and doesn't really effect the match ups just makes obvs easier to get out).

The truth of it is that I honestly don't see the imbalance that a few TLers have mentioned.



Whoa whoa whoa, you're ready to go bonkers if a zerg pro player were to say the ZvP matchup sucks. Then later on, you're like "Well I never heard an pros say it was IMBA?'

Tournament play isn't the standard by any means, pressure and so many OTHER FACTORS make pure tournament results a flawed study group.

Yo, you're saying that ZvT used to be imbalance, would you agree (I dont want to hear degree?) would you agree that Terran had a large advantage of zerg right? And yet the first 2 GSLs had zerg players taking first. And NOBODY with a brain saw fruit dealer crushing and say "oh wait zvt is fine."

it's your opinion that ZvP is fine. and the points you bring up to support it are very weak.
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