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bad.robot
United States23 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 15 2011 18:53 robih wrote: he is listing all the stuff that hydras counter, and then comes up with two units which counter hydras and those require massive teching, yet he is whining that they get countered by them.... go play toss and whine about marauders countering your race point of that was p can force you to make hydras to deal with things and then can transition to collosus or templar, and colo/ht counter hydras so hard that they make all that money you spent on hydras essentially worthless everything has counters, most things cannot be completely nullified as easily as hydras can. | ||
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ZusH
United States7 Posts
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Robstickle
Great Britain406 Posts
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
Idra you are a great player but please stop talking that way about SC2 , the game is evolving , and is quite balanced . You are a player that the others listen to , so if you say that the match is unfair every zerg will think the same , and that is stupid! I have no problem with quiting matches without GG but saying your race is OP is an absurd , if is OP play that race if you are so good , or play broodwar since its so balanced like i see everyone say. I hope the best for idra and jinro! Both of you inspire lots of players and make the game evolve , may the best player win .. | ||
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On January 16 2011 14:43 naggerNZ wrote: If IdrA genuinely felt that these difficulties weren't beatable, he wouldn't play Zerg. You could not be more wrong about that. First of all, it's not an issue of whether or not P can be beaten by Zerg players, of course they can. The issue is whether or not it's balanced. Secondly, IdrA continued playing Zerg even when ZvT was ridiculously imbalanced. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On January 17 2011 04:27 Lefnui wrote: You could not be more wrong about that. First of all, it's not an issue of whether or not P can be beaten by Zerg players, of course they can. The issue is whether or not it's balanced. Secondly, IdrA continued playing Zerg even when ZvT was ridiculously imbalanced. Idra has never said (yet) that ZvP is imbalanced. Just that it's hard. I really hope no one thinks that ZvP is imbalanced because the race has essentially been the same since ZvT was "ridiculously imbalanced." Maybe Zerg players just like to complain more than Terran and Protoss players? I'll give you that Terran was too powerful for awhile but I feel like it's been evened out. I can't imagine how anyone could argue that ZvP is imbalanced without it just being a whine rant. Zerg can effectively counter anything Protoss throws at it and just because a match up is "hard" at the moment doesn't mean it's imbalanced. Honestly if we just go by the GSL and performance in other tournaments I feel like all three races are pretty even and any talk of imbalances are just people QQing. | ||
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Mindflow
Korea (South)320 Posts
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On January 17 2011 05:18 overt wrote: Idra has never said (yet) that ZvP is imbalanced. Just that it's hard. And I didn't claim that he did. I really hope no one thinks that ZvP is imbalanced because the race has essentially been the same since ZvT was "ridiculously imbalanced." Don't place that in quotes as if it's contentious. You clearly don't agree with that assessment but it's absolutely true and everyone agrees with it. ZvT was ridiculously imbalanced before, that is not an exaggeration. Yes, ZvP has remained roughly the same over time. And guess what? Zerg players have been discussing problems in the match up for a long time now. You can go back and look at statements by Check and others regarding it. Maybe Zerg players just like to complain more than Terran and Protoss players? That makes no sense at all. Why would one race just happen to have players that complain more often? There is absolutely no logical explanation for that. The actual reason is very simple, because Zerg has been by far the weakest race. Of course the majority of those weaknesses have now been removed. But it's interesting how people were making the exact same arguments you're making now back when ZvT was terribly imbalanced. "Oh, Zerg players just like to whine, that's all". | ||
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takingbackoj
United States684 Posts
Idra is good no doubt about that , but IMnestea is better and doesnt talk about imbalances unless asked , thats a true professional , a guy who has a passion and never quits . Um IMNestea does talk about imbalance, look it up instead of calling out professionals without research. Great Job to IdrA for the win, GL in the next round. | ||
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Ajunoo
Germany147 Posts
On January 17 2011 04:23 tapk69 wrote: Idra is good no doubt about that , but IMnestea is better and doesnt talk about imbalances unless asked , thats a true professional , a guy who has a passion and never quits. First of all, Idra was actually asked (this is an interview, remember?). Secondly, Idra didn't quit. Last but not least: Who would you have commenting about balance then? Let Blizzard do it internally? And on the day they touch your race, you really want me to believe you're just gonna sit there and say to yourself "Hum. I guess that really WAS too strong."? Yeah right. Manners don't really come into this at all, Idra is among the very top of players, and these people know what they are talking about. They may be a little biased, but at least he gives (convincing, and I don't play Z) reasons as to why he thinks that hydras are too weak. I'll take the most unmannered and raging pro gamer over the braindead battle.net forum masses any day. | ||
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
I think the new patch 1,2 is going to help Zerg to be much better , even with the observer and phoenix little buff , so very bright times are ahead for Zerg in Starcraft 2 . Blizzard could also improve the range of the Corruptor to 8 or 9, 9 may be too powerfull and the hidras wouldnt need buff at all , and the corruptors would help against terran too. | ||
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asoka
17 Posts
For the people critical of Idra voicing his opinion in response to a question...if you don't want to know what one of the best SCII players think about something...don't read or watch the interview! Look at the top 20 in NA, Europe, Korea... 3 zerg NA, 2 zerg Europe, 3 zerg in Korea...maybe just maybe there are reasons that intelligent programmers can express to explain this? | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On January 17 2011 07:15 Lefnui wrote: Don't place that in quotes as if it's contentious. You clearly don't agree with that assessment but it's absolutely true and everyone agrees with it. ZvT was ridiculously imbalanced before, that is not an exaggeration. Yes, ZvP has remained roughly the same over time. And guess what? Zerg players have been discussing problems in the match up for a long time now. You can go back and look at statements by Check and others regarding it. Imbalanced? Yes. Ridiculously imbalanced? No. Zerg players were still winning games against Terrans and Terrans weren't insanely dominant. There's not much of a point in arguing semantics as we both agree that ZvT was imbalanced but most people were blowing it way out of proportion. ZvP has problems and I'm sure Zergs have had issues with the match up since beta. Just like PvZ has had problems since beta. Or any match up. Doesn't mean the match up is broken or that one race needs buffing/nerfing. Right now I feel pretty confident that PvZ and ZvP is pretty balanced. On January 17 2011 07:15 Lefnui wrote: That makes no sense at all. Why would one race just happen to have players that complain more often? There is absolutely no logical explanation for that. The actual reason is very simple, because Zerg has been by far the weakest race. Of course the majority of those weaknesses have now been removed. But it's interesting how people were making the exact same arguments you're making now back when ZvT was terribly imbalanced. "Oh, Zerg players just like to whine, that's all". Yet Zergs are honestly performing at the same level as Protoss players. I'll give you this, Zerg is probably harder to play than the other two races. But based on tournaments and even laddering Zerg isn't that far behind Protoss players. For whatever reason Zerg players are complaining far more and far louder than Protoss or Terran players. ZvP isn't imbalanced and as of right now doesn't need tweaking from Blizzard. So yeah, let's hope that we don't have to endure endless whine threads from Zergs about how broken ZvP is and how even though Zergs are performing just fine in tourneys that Protoss is super good against Zerg somehow. Yeah, the race was weaker but honestly the game's balance is really fucking good right now. There's no need to go back down the path of Zerg's bitching lest Zerg becomes the race of whiners and complainers. | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
Who are you that you are so sure that ZvP is balanced? I mean noone knows for sure and it's impossible to know such thing, so why you are so confident at what you say? Looks like you are just afraid that your race may be nerfed and that's all. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On January 17 2011 15:42 Alpina wrote: overt: Who are you that you are so sure that ZvP is balanced? I mean noone knows for sure and it's impossible to know such thing, so why you are so confident at what you say? Looks like you are just afraid that your race may be nerfed and that's all. I have never heard a pro Zerg call it imbalanced. Zerg and Protoss performance in tournaments is almost identical (and in many cases Protoss are actually behind Zerg). From matches I've both played and watched I don't feel like it's imbalanced. My race has been nerfed in every patch minus the last one. So I'm used to nerfs and I haven't complained about the Protoss nerfs either. I don't even know if they needed the pheonix buff (although the observer buff is excellent and doesn't really effect the match ups just makes obvs easier to get out). The truth of it is that I honestly don't see the imbalance that a few TLers have mentioned. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
Jk, but honestly I do believe that it's alot better to try out new builds and possibilites than trying to argue a race is imbalanced. | ||
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Evantas
Singapore61 Posts
Is there a specific change that you would like to see implemented for Zerg that might cause Zerg vs. Protoss to be a little more even in your opinion? IdrA: Hydras need a significant buff, allow for more pressure to be applied to protoss midgame. They're also a counter unit to a lot of things protoss can do, heavy warpgate or immortal armies or air based armies, but templar and collosus counter them so hard its a really bad situation for zerg. Dude get your analysis correct man! Hydras do not need a buffing if they are a decent counter to a lot of protoss things. Seriously? It's the collosus and the templar that needs nerfing. The Zerg are NOT the only race facing problems with Templars and Collossus. The Terrans have been QQing about them for a long time now. I think everyone should agree that Templars, Collossus and Sentries need nerfing esp. when u see how OGSMC rapes Terrans and Zergs with those units. =D (tongue-in-cheek btw. I lose far more due to sucking than to any imbalance at this point of time.) | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On January 17 2011 16:04 overt wrote: I have never heard a pro Zerg call it imbalanced. Zerg and Protoss performance in tournaments is almost identical (and in many cases Protoss are actually behind Zerg). From matches I've both played and watched I don't feel like it's imbalanced. My race has been nerfed in every patch minus the last one. So I'm used to nerfs and I haven't complained about the Protoss nerfs either. I don't even know if they needed the pheonix buff (although the observer buff is excellent and doesn't really effect the match ups just makes obvs easier to get out). The truth of it is that I honestly don't see the imbalance that a few TLers have mentioned. I heard that "pro" call late game ZvP imbalanced.. so? And as you said it's you feel that PvZ is balanced, that's pretty much means nothing, unless you are top level player of course. What about toss nerfs, you shouldn't complain because PvZ always was easier for toss at least from my point of view and the nerfs toss had were pretty small afaik. I mean void ray nerf probably was the biggest, right? | ||
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