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I had the opportunity to interview IdrA after his RO16 matches of GSL Code S. I mainly asked him how he felt before and after his matches along with the current state of Zerg vs. Protoss.
Here's an excerpt taken from the interview on http://www.myeg.net/
You managed to win all of your games pretty convincingly. Did you expect the games to go that well for you?
IdrA: No, not at all. I figured I'd barely advance and that there was no way I could beat genius. I have no confidence in zvp right now and I expected to play both zvt's on xelnaga, which isn't as bad as the terrible maps but is still pretty hard zvt.
You mentioned in an earlier interview that you were least confident against protoss. Why are you the least confident against that race right now? Do you feel as though that matchup might be imbalanced?
IdrA: I think its zerg's worst matchup at the moment, yes. Especially given that air play was already really strong and it got buffed in the last patch, we haven't even seen what will come of that.
You can read the entire interview at http://www.myeg.net/article/article_detail.php?article_id=1007
mod edit: please refrain from posting spoilers in this thread
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Great interview! Idra is surprisingly frank. Given the BM between Genius and Idra, I didn't expect Idra to admit that he thought he was going to lose.
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Thank you for the interview, a nice read. Don't forget to post a link in The Idra fanclub.
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So far Idra's GSL results haven't been quite up to par with his potential imo, this might be his season though! Good luck Idra!
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Nice read. Idra is on roll.
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yea glad for idra and my liquidbet =) but seriously sloppy play from genius. all he needed was more cannon and to scout.
still great play from idra!
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why does idra want to play jinro again? is he determined to knock our beloved gorilla terran out of the tournament?
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would u rather play marineking instead?
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maybe cause he lost to jinro in group stages?
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i would think because he lost to jinro as well. in any case whoo idra!!
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idra fighting. thanks for interview
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i gotta give credit to idra he says whats on his mind and dont give a s*** what anybody says about it...that earns my respect even if he does have a bad reputation for bad manners in games...TvP is hard right now..its true
idra fan for life
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I think idra expected MC to crush his group and that meant Jinro would have to get second if he wanted him to move on.
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On January 15 2011 13:49 Corwin wrote:
Great interview! Idra is surprisingly frank. Given the BM between Genius and Idra, I didn't expect Idra to admit that he thought he was going to lose.
That actually sounds exactly like Idra. I don't know when people started thinking he was a egomaniac on top of being BM since that's not true at all. Like the Zenio incident where Idra said that Zenio BMing him means he was happy enough about the win and considered him a good player.
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What a turn of events, with his opponent in the RO4 now.
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Is there any player in particular currently in the RO8 that you would like to face?
IdrA: Not particularly, I'd like to get to play Jinro again I suppose.
+ Show Spoiler +And Jinro delivered it for him
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That was a very short interview
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I like how all the comments are spoilers.
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stop reading the comments before the interview
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he is listing all the stuff that hydras counter, and then comes up with two units which counter hydras and those require massive teching, yet he is whining that they get countered by them....
go play toss and whine about marauders countering your race
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On January 15 2011 18:51 MOMOPEWPEW wrote:
stop reading the comments before the interview
I mean about the Jinro and MC games that just happened a few hours ago, obviously.
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So...+ Show Spoiler +...Idra got his wish: Ro8 rematch vs Jinro  and a very possible semifinal vs NaDa, cuz it's very likely that MKP will get crushed
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I just don't understand why every interview is designed to feed IdrA's whining with stupid questions.
That aside even when every protoss was whining about PvT and had an abysmal win rate versus them in tournaments, we had people like MC who just radiated complete confidence and found creative solutions to fix his problems, and beat his opponents by just being better than them, instead of asking for buffs in every interview.
Until people like IdrA realise their own limitations and improve their game instead of blaming their race, they will never be destined for true greatness like Boxer. And the only fans he will have are the legions of people who also think that their losses are due to the problems with the game, instead of problems with their own skill.
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don't underestimate marineking.
he was slaying the korean ladder for almost the entire beta.
i think the mk vs nada match is like 60:40 in favour of marineking.
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Is there any player in particular currently in the RO8 that you would like to face?
IdrA: Not particularly, I'd like to get to play Jinro again I suppose.
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+ Show Spoiler +You got your wish, Idra. =D
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If IdrA defeats + Show Spoiler + and then he defeats Foxer/NaDa we have our first foreigner in the finals :D
+ Show Spoiler +Same goes for Jinro of course.. But: I'm on a Zerg.
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On January 15 2011 18:53 robih wrote:
he is listing all the stuff that hydras counter, and then comes up with two units which counter hydras and those require massive teching, yet he is whining that they get countered by them....
go play toss and whine about marauders countering your race
It's pretty obvious you don't play zerg. I don't know why you're bothering commenting this way when you know nothing about what he's talking about. Colossus may require more tech, but they still barely come out later than when hydras amount to a threatening force, not to mention the extra time it takes for that threatening force to crawl across the map to your base.
Marauders have nothing to do with this issue so you can stop the irrelevant 'we have it worse' bullshit.
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Really should stop asking IdrA about the state of ZvT and ZvP. It's always impossible to win even if you win.
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I'm happy to see him advance.
But:
Does anyone else remember that one hydra at Genuis' natural that killed the shield of a fully charged VR?
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Thanks for asking the question about NaDa. I was really wondering if it would mean something special to him.
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Hydras are like marines--insanely impossibly strong against everything that Toss has except collosus and storm, but they get rocked stupidly hard by those two options. Terran and Zerg will complain about collosus and storm, but Protoss is equally right to complain that they auto-lose to marine or hydra compositions of half the cost of P's army until they have their late game tech.
Protoss's game logic goes something like this:
P's T1 units are exceptionally weak for cost in the mid-game. Marines, marauders, roaches, hydras and zerglings will beat any gateway composition for cost pretty comfortably. This is offset in two ways. In the early game, warpgates allow P to get extra units early on if they choose to do so, so P can build enough crap to defend or be aggressive despite their weaker units. As the army sizes grow, however, the weakness of the T1 units becomes increasingly exposed, so this is offset in the mid and late game by insanely strong tech options in collosus and storm.
Zergs and Terrans complain about Protoss late game, but Protoss has no answer to comparable cost roaches until Protoss reaches 180+ food.
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Hydras are like marines ...except they cost an arm and a leg and slow as shit lol
i agree with what you said though...gateway is weak without some kind of tech to support
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lol at iNcontrol's reply to the interview :p
+ Show Spoiler +2. iNcontroL January 15, 2011 12:24 AM EST
OH AND BIG THANKS TO INCONTROL FOR GIVING ME THE LUCKY CHORD HOLDERRR
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Does anyone else remember that one hydra at Genuis' natural that killed the shield of a fully charged VR?
Yeah, I can't believe one hydra did some much. Maybe we will see more hydra play?From idra atleast. Seems like idra was pushing for a buff to hydras. haha
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Would a speed upgrade for the Hydra be too much?
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On January 16 2011 01:11 kcdc wrote:
Hydras are like marines--insanely impossibly strong against everything that Toss has except collosus and storm, but they get rocked stupidly hard by those two options. Terran and Zerg will complain about collosus and storm, but Protoss is equally right to complain that they auto-lose to marine or hydra compositions of half the cost of P's army until they have their late game tech.
Protoss's game logic goes something like this:
P's T1 units are exceptionally weak for cost in the mid-game. Marines, marauders, roaches, hydras and zerglings will beat any gateway composition for cost pretty comfortably. This is offset in two ways. In the early game, warpgates allow P to get extra units early on if they choose to do so, so P can build enough crap to defend or be aggressive despite their weaker units. As the army sizes grow, however, the weakness of the T1 units becomes increasingly exposed, so this is offset in the mid and late game by insanely strong tech options in collosus and storm.
Zergs and Terrans complain about Protoss late game, but Protoss has no answer to comparable cost roaches until Protoss reaches 180+ food.
Oh shut up please, i really hate this type of whining, esspecially when it's untrue. Good force field usage with lots of zealots and stalkers can rape pure roach, nevermind be cost-effective.
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On January 16 2011 02:08 Myrkul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 01:11 kcdc wrote:
Hydras are like marines--insanely impossibly strong against everything that Toss has except collosus and storm, but they get rocked stupidly hard by those two options. Terran and Zerg will complain about collosus and storm, but Protoss is equally right to complain that they auto-lose to marine or hydra compositions of half the cost of P's army until they have their late game tech.
Protoss's game logic goes something like this:
P's T1 units are exceptionally weak for cost in the mid-game. Marines, marauders, roaches, hydras and zerglings will beat any gateway composition for cost pretty comfortably. This is offset in two ways. In the early game, warpgates allow P to get extra units early on if they choose to do so, so P can build enough crap to defend or be aggressive despite their weaker units. As the army sizes grow, however, the weakness of the T1 units becomes increasingly exposed, so this is offset in the mid and late game by insanely strong tech options in collosus and storm.
Zergs and Terrans complain about Protoss late game, but Protoss has no answer to comparable cost roaches until Protoss reaches 180+ food. Oh shut up please, i really hate this type of whining, esspecially when it's untrue. Good force field usage with lots of zealots and stalkers can rape pure roach, nevermind be cost-effective.
???? yeah because the P is going to magically outproduce the zerg and make "lots of zealots and stalkers"
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On January 16 2011 01:11 kcdc wrote:
Hydras are like marines--insanely impossibly strong against everything that Toss has except collosus and storm, but they get rocked stupidly hard by those two options. Terran and Zerg will complain about collosus and storm, but Protoss is equally right to complain that they auto-lose to marine or hydra compositions of half the cost of P's army until they have their late game tech.
Protoss's game logic goes something like this:
P's T1 units are exceptionally weak for cost in the mid-game. Marines, marauders, roaches, hydras and zerglings will beat any gateway composition for cost pretty comfortably. This is offset in two ways. In the early game, warpgates allow P to get extra units early on if they choose to do so, so P can build enough crap to defend or be aggressive despite their weaker units. As the army sizes grow, however, the weakness of the T1 units becomes increasingly exposed, so this is offset in the mid and late game by insanely strong tech options in collosus and storm.
Zergs and Terrans complain about Protoss late game, but Protoss has no answer to comparable cost roaches until Protoss reaches 180+ food.
protoss wins t1 against standard zerg play in a fight. the combination of forcefield/zealot/stalker is extremely powerful. plus zealots > lings, micro'd stalkers > roaches fact.
1 colossus with tier 1 support rapes a ball of hydras. you can't make enough hydras to soft counter colossus as zerg unless your opponent is terrible. fact.
tier 1 units aren't meant to carry you the entire game. there's a reason they suck mid/late game. fact
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plus zealots > lings, micro'd stalkers > roaches fact.
And speedlings > stalkers, micro'd roaches > zealots. fact
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On January 16 2011 02:44 fontana wrote:And speedlings > stalkers, micro'd roaches > zealots. fact
Because every GSL level protoss will often do the very standard mass zealot vs roaches or mass stalkers vs speedling builds that have become so popular lately.
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right now the real question is, who will ret side with?
Jinro his teammate?
or his zerg 'bro' idrA? 
User was warned for this post
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unfortunately it is much easier to blame the game for why you lose than try and figure out what you could be doing to become better as a player.
idra finally learned to play vs terran and he then moved on to complain about the next matchup he loses most often.
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People act like IdrA whines and complains a lot, but he's being INTERVIEWED, and he's just being honest about what he thinks the state of the game is. It's not like he's going out of his way to make excuses and say things like, "well if I lose the next game, it's only because protoss is OP."
IdrA's just a very, very honest person.
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^ LOL that my friend is awesome
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On January 16 2011 01:11 kcdc wrote:
Hydras are like marines--insanely impossibly strong against everything that Toss has except collosus and storm, but they get rocked stupidly hard by those two options. Terran and Zerg will complain about collosus and storm, but Protoss is equally right to complain that they auto-lose to marine or hydra compositions of half the cost of P's army until they have their late game tech.
Protoss's game logic goes something like this:
P's T1 units are exceptionally weak for cost in the mid-game. Marines, marauders, roaches, hydras and zerglings will beat any gateway composition for cost pretty comfortably. This is offset in two ways. In the early game, warpgates allow P to get extra units early on if they choose to do so, so P can build enough crap to defend or be aggressive despite their weaker units. As the army sizes grow, however, the weakness of the T1 units becomes increasingly exposed, so this is offset in the mid and late game by insanely strong tech options in collosus and storm.
Zergs and Terrans complain about Protoss late game, but Protoss has no answer to comparable cost roaches until Protoss reaches 180+ food.
FORCEFIELDS. There just solved your midgame toss problem
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On January 16 2011 07:19 Endorsed wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 01:11 kcdc wrote:
Hydras are like marines--insanely impossibly strong against everything that Toss has except collosus and storm, but they get rocked stupidly hard by those two options. Terran and Zerg will complain about collosus and storm, but Protoss is equally right to complain that they auto-lose to marine or hydra compositions of half the cost of P's army until they have their late game tech.
Protoss's game logic goes something like this:
P's T1 units are exceptionally weak for cost in the mid-game. Marines, marauders, roaches, hydras and zerglings will beat any gateway composition for cost pretty comfortably. This is offset in two ways. In the early game, warpgates allow P to get extra units early on if they choose to do so, so P can build enough crap to defend or be aggressive despite their weaker units. As the army sizes grow, however, the weakness of the T1 units becomes increasingly exposed, so this is offset in the mid and late game by insanely strong tech options in collosus and storm.
Zergs and Terrans complain about Protoss late game, but Protoss has no answer to comparable cost roaches until Protoss reaches 180+ food. FORCEFIELDS. There just solved your midgame toss problem
Forcefields are not enough, upgraded roaches with speed upgrade are just too cost-efficient, particulary considering that the Zerg is often 1 base ahead of the Protoss.
You basically have to hope that the Zerg will engage you in a terrible situation to have a chance.
When roaches had range 3 it was a unit which was really terrible against microed stalkers-sentries/marauders, but right now it's too strong for me.
We're back to beta time.
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On January 15 2011 13:49 Corwin wrote:
Great interview! Idra is surprisingly frank. Given the BM between Genius and Idra, I didn't expect Idra to admit that he thought he was going to lose.
Any BM they have between them is just them trash-talking each other for fun. They're friends from their days at CJEntus.
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YES! Idra even says ZvP is the worst match-up for Zerg currently which I 100% agree with.
I'm also feeling that Zerg is still the worst race right now... just my opinion.
<--Random Master player (not saying I'm PRO, just that I'm not bronze at least...)
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Why do spoilers in these comments matter? The OP itself says how many games IdrA won in the first sentence...
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Ah bit short but still nice to see what he thinks the buffs should be.
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Hahaha the mod edit with the spoilers already in the OP
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On January 16 2011 11:45 hmunkey wrote:
Why do spoilers in these comments matter? The OP itself says how many games IdrA won in the first sentence...
Read a few posts above yours where the guy got warned.
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On January 15 2011 18:53 robih wrote:
he is listing all the stuff that hydras counter, and then comes up with two units which counter hydras and those require massive teching, yet he is whining that they get countered by them....
go play toss and whine about marauders countering your race
Wow really? I mean, you can get Colossus really fast and youst tech slowly to HT and theres not much Zerg can do about it, a good Protoss wil keep constant pressure and if you focus the Coruptors well they Hydras literaly evaporate.
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Let's be honest, we can sit here and play "who has it worse?" all day, but you're joking if you don't think Zerg has some difficulties in ZvP. In many ways, I think that adds to the character of both Zerg as a race, and the Zerg player. If IdrA genuinely felt that these difficulties weren't beatable, he wouldn't play Zerg.
But to get angry when he responds DIRECTLY TO A QUESTION regarding what he thinks would be the best fix for Zerg right now, is to be more bad mannered than IdrA ever had a reputation for.
IdrA is betta than all o' yall
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I am super pumped that starcraft players are answering their interview questions like Nascar drivers.
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Interesting how this got diverted from the topic. Great interview. Especially the bit about who he wants to play next round. Also agree with the point... you did ask him the question.
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Wow... Idra's interviews never cease to amaze me at how well spoken he is. He is always so dead on about what Zerg is lacking at the moment. Hydras r a seriously broken unit, pretty much countered so easily, so slow.
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I'd like to point out that Idra never said that P was overpowered or called for a nerf. He just said that in his opinion it's Zerg's hardest match up right now. So I'm going to assume that means it's his hardest match up. I really would be amazed if Idra seriously thinks that Protoss is overpowered because frankly they've just gotten their first actual buff in god knows how long and all it did was make observers cheaper and make pheonix get built quicker.
Racial balance is actually really good right now even if some Zergs are having trouble with Protoss.
edit: And I'd probably disagree with Idra asking for a Hydra buff. Maybe make them a bit quicker but they don't need a "significant buff."
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Everytime Idra whines an angel gets its wings
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On January 15 2011 18:53 robih wrote:
he is listing all the stuff that hydras counter, and then comes up with two units which counter hydras and those require massive teching, yet he is whining that they get countered by them....
go play toss and whine about marauders countering your race
point of that was p can force you to make hydras to deal with things and then can transition to collosus or templar, and colo/ht counter hydras so hard that they make all that money you spent on hydras essentially worthless
everything has counters, most things cannot be completely nullified as easily as hydras can.
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Guys I'm a huge noob so sorry if this is a dumb question but where can I see these games?
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Corwin... idrA and Genius were in the same clan and although they are both quite cocky players (not saying this is a bad thing, I love them both) they are friends.
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Idra is good no doubt about that , but IMnestea is better and doesnt talk about imbalances unless asked , thats a true professional , a guy who has a passion and never quits .
Idra you are a great player but please stop talking that way about SC2 , the game is evolving , and is quite balanced . You are a player that the others listen to , so if you say that the match is unfair every zerg will think the same , and that is stupid!
I have no problem with quiting matches without GG but saying your race is OP is an absurd , if is OP play that race if you are so good , or play broodwar since its so balanced like i see everyone say.
I hope the best for idra and jinro! Both of you inspire lots of players and make the game evolve , may the best player win ..
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On January 16 2011 14:43 naggerNZ wrote:
If IdrA genuinely felt that these difficulties weren't beatable, he wouldn't play Zerg.
You could not be more wrong about that. First of all, it's not an issue of whether or not P can be beaten by Zerg players, of course they can. The issue is whether or not it's balanced. Secondly, IdrA continued playing Zerg even when ZvT was ridiculously imbalanced.
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On January 17 2011 04:27 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 14:43 naggerNZ wrote:
If IdrA genuinely felt that these difficulties weren't beatable, he wouldn't play Zerg.
You could not be more wrong about that. First of all, it's not an issue of whether or not P can be beaten by Zerg players, of course they can. The issue is whether or not it's balanced. Secondly, IdrA continued playing Zerg even when ZvT was ridiculously imbalanced.
Idra has never said (yet) that ZvP is imbalanced. Just that it's hard. I really hope no one thinks that ZvP is imbalanced because the race has essentially been the same since ZvT was "ridiculously imbalanced."
Maybe Zerg players just like to complain more than Terran and Protoss players? I'll give you that Terran was too powerful for awhile but I feel like it's been evened out. I can't imagine how anyone could argue that ZvP is imbalanced without it just being a whine rant. Zerg can effectively counter anything Protoss throws at it and just because a match up is "hard" at the moment doesn't mean it's imbalanced. Honestly if we just go by the GSL and performance in other tournaments I feel like all three races are pretty even and any talk of imbalances are just people QQing.
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Its funny how all the toss yell at everyone for qqing about there op race all of a sudden.... srsly go to the other side of the matchup and see for urself.
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On January 17 2011 05:18 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 04:27 Lefnui wrote:On January 16 2011 14:43 naggerNZ wrote:
If IdrA genuinely felt that these difficulties weren't beatable, he wouldn't play Zerg.
You could not be more wrong about that. First of all, it's not an issue of whether or not P can be beaten by Zerg players, of course they can. The issue is whether or not it's balanced. Secondly, IdrA continued playing Zerg even when ZvT was ridiculously imbalanced. Idra has never said (yet) that ZvP is imbalanced. Just that it's hard.
And I didn't claim that he did.
I really hope no one thinks that ZvP is imbalanced because the race has essentially been the same since ZvT was "ridiculously imbalanced."
Don't place that in quotes as if it's contentious. You clearly don't agree with that assessment but it's absolutely true and everyone agrees with it. ZvT was ridiculously imbalanced before, that is not an exaggeration.
Yes, ZvP has remained roughly the same over time. And guess what? Zerg players have been discussing problems in the match up for a long time now. You can go back and look at statements by Check and others regarding it.
Maybe Zerg players just like to complain more than Terran and Protoss players?
That makes no sense at all. Why would one race just happen to have players that complain more often? There is absolutely no logical explanation for that. The actual reason is very simple, because Zerg has been by far the weakest race. Of course the majority of those weaknesses have now been removed. But it's interesting how people were making the exact same arguments you're making now back when ZvT was terribly imbalanced. "Oh, Zerg players just like to whine, that's all".
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[QUOTE]On January 17 2011 04:23 tapk69 wrote:
Idra is good no doubt about that , but IMnestea is better and doesnt talk about imbalances unless asked , thats a true professional , a guy who has a passion and never quits .
Um IMNestea does talk about imbalance, look it up instead of calling out professionals without research.
Great Job to IdrA for the win, GL in the next round.
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On January 17 2011 04:23 tapk69 wrote:
Idra is good no doubt about that , but IMnestea is better and doesnt talk about imbalances unless asked , thats a true professional , a guy who has a passion and never quits.
First of all, Idra was actually asked (this is an interview, remember?). Secondly, Idra didn't quit.
Last but not least: Who would you have commenting about balance then? Let Blizzard do it internally? And on the day they touch your race, you really want me to believe you're just gonna sit there and say to yourself "Hum. I guess that really WAS too strong."? Yeah right.
Manners don't really come into this at all, Idra is among the very top of players, and these people know what they are talking about. They may be a little biased, but at least he gives (convincing, and I don't play Z) reasons as to why he thinks that hydras are too weak. I'll take the most unmannered and raging pro gamer over the braindead battle.net forum masses any day.
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He´s not unprofessional , that is not what i meant , in the GSL he is very professional on the ladder i´ve seen strange stuff that´s all.. He´s definately the second best Zerg in the world right now , and IMnestea is 30 years old , so he should be the best in the next months..
I think the new patch 1,2 is going to help Zerg to be much better , even with the observer and phoenix little buff , so very bright times are ahead for Zerg in Starcraft 2 .
Blizzard could also improve the range of the Corruptor to 8 or 9, 9 may be too powerfull and the hidras wouldnt need buff at all , and the corruptors would help against terran too.
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Thanks for the interview thanks Idra for sticking with it and delivering such consistently high quality play.
For the people critical of Idra voicing his opinion in response to a question...if you don't want to know what one of the best SCII players think about something...don't read or watch the interview!
Look at the top 20 in NA, Europe, Korea... 3 zerg NA, 2 zerg Europe, 3 zerg in Korea...maybe just maybe there are reasons that intelligent programmers can express to explain this?
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On January 17 2011 07:15 Lefnui wrote:
Don't place that in quotes as if it's contentious. You clearly don't agree with that assessment but it's absolutely true and everyone agrees with it. ZvT was ridiculously imbalanced before, that is not an exaggeration.
Yes, ZvP has remained roughly the same over time. And guess what? Zerg players have been discussing problems in the match up for a long time now. You can go back and look at statements by Check and others regarding it.
Imbalanced? Yes. Ridiculously imbalanced? No. Zerg players were still winning games against Terrans and Terrans weren't insanely dominant. There's not much of a point in arguing semantics as we both agree that ZvT was imbalanced but most people were blowing it way out of proportion.
ZvP has problems and I'm sure Zergs have had issues with the match up since beta. Just like PvZ has had problems since beta. Or any match up. Doesn't mean the match up is broken or that one race needs buffing/nerfing. Right now I feel pretty confident that PvZ and ZvP is pretty balanced.
On January 17 2011 07:15 Lefnui wrote:
That makes no sense at all. Why would one race just happen to have players that complain more often? There is absolutely no logical explanation for that. The actual reason is very simple, because Zerg has been by far the weakest race. Of course the majority of those weaknesses have now been removed. But it's interesting how people were making the exact same arguments you're making now back when ZvT was terribly imbalanced. "Oh, Zerg players just like to whine, that's all".
Yet Zergs are honestly performing at the same level as Protoss players. I'll give you this, Zerg is probably harder to play than the other two races. But based on tournaments and even laddering Zerg isn't that far behind Protoss players. For whatever reason Zerg players are complaining far more and far louder than Protoss or Terran players. ZvP isn't imbalanced and as of right now doesn't need tweaking from Blizzard. So yeah, let's hope that we don't have to endure endless whine threads from Zergs about how broken ZvP is and how even though Zergs are performing just fine in tourneys that Protoss is super good against Zerg somehow.
Yeah, the race was weaker but honestly the game's balance is really fucking good right now. There's no need to go back down the path of Zerg's bitching lest Zerg becomes the race of whiners and complainers.
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overt:
Who are you that you are so sure that ZvP is balanced? I mean noone knows for sure and it's impossible to know such thing, so why you are so confident at what you say? Looks like you are just afraid that your race may be nerfed and that's all.
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On January 17 2011 15:42 Alpina wrote:
overt:
Who are you that you are so sure that ZvP is balanced? I mean noone knows for sure and it's impossible to know such thing, so why you are so confident at what you say? Looks like you are just afraid that your race may be nerfed and that's all.
I have never heard a pro Zerg call it imbalanced. Zerg and Protoss performance in tournaments is almost identical (and in many cases Protoss are actually behind Zerg). From matches I've both played and watched I don't feel like it's imbalanced.
My race has been nerfed in every patch minus the last one. So I'm used to nerfs and I haven't complained about the Protoss nerfs either. I don't even know if they needed the pheonix buff (although the observer buff is excellent and doesn't really effect the match ups just makes obvs easier to get out).
The truth of it is that I honestly don't see the imbalance that a few TLers have mentioned.
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In a month, the top zerg players will come together and mail blizzard that ZvZ is ridicolously imbalanced, and that the opponent need to be nerfed asap lol.
Jk, but honestly I do believe that it's alot better to try out new builds and possibilites than trying to argue a race is imbalanced.
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Is there a specific change that you would like to see implemented for Zerg that might cause Zerg vs. Protoss to be a little more even in your opinion?
IdrA: Hydras need a significant buff, allow for more pressure to be applied to protoss midgame. They're also a counter unit to a lot of things protoss can do, heavy warpgate or immortal armies or air based armies, but templar and collosus counter them so hard its a really bad situation for zerg.
Dude get your analysis correct man! Hydras do not need a buffing if they are a decent counter to a lot of protoss things. Seriously? It's the collosus and the templar that needs nerfing.
The Zerg are NOT the only race facing problems with Templars and Collossus. The Terrans have been QQing about them for a long time now. I think everyone should agree that Templars, Collossus and Sentries need nerfing esp. when u see how OGSMC rapes Terrans and Zergs with those units. =D
(tongue-in-cheek btw. I lose far more due to sucking than to any imbalance at this point of time.)
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On January 17 2011 16:04 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 15:42 Alpina wrote:
overt:
Who are you that you are so sure that ZvP is balanced? I mean noone knows for sure and it's impossible to know such thing, so why you are so confident at what you say? Looks like you are just afraid that your race may be nerfed and that's all. I have never heard a pro Zerg call it imbalanced. Zerg and Protoss performance in tournaments is almost identical (and in many cases Protoss are actually behind Zerg). From matches I've both played and watched I don't feel like it's imbalanced. My race has been nerfed in every patch minus the last one. So I'm used to nerfs and I haven't complained about the Protoss nerfs either. I don't even know if they needed the pheonix buff (although the observer buff is excellent and doesn't really effect the match ups just makes obvs easier to get out). The truth of it is that I honestly don't see the imbalance that a few TLers have mentioned.
I heard that "pro" call late game ZvP imbalanced.. so? And as you said it's you feel that PvZ is balanced, that's pretty much means nothing, unless you are top level player of course. What about toss nerfs, you shouldn't complain because PvZ always was easier for toss at least from my point of view and the nerfs toss had were pretty small afaik. I mean void ray nerf probably was the biggest, right?
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Everytime I hear Idra's opinion on something, he always feels like he's getting the short end of the stick. The stars and planets always seem to align to make Idra's SC2 journey the worst possible path for him to reach the top somehow.
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On January 15 2011 18:51 MOMOPEWPEW wrote:
stop reading the comments before the interview
you got me
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On January 17 2011 14:29 overt wrote:
Imbalanced? Yes. Ridiculously imbalanced? No. Zerg players were still winning games against Terrans and Terrans weren't insanely dominant.
The fact that Zerg players were still winning games proves absolutely nothing. That is an extremely high standard for imbalance. Of course the far weaker race is going to be able to take games. And yes, Terran was extremely dominant during that time.
There's not much of a point in arguing semantics as we both agree that ZvT was imbalanced but most people were blowing it way out of proportion.
No, it's not a matter of semantics as the second portion of that sentence shows. It's the fact that you are trying to minimize the massive imbalances that have existed. It's all part of your insane theory that Zerg players just happen to complain way more than the other races. A concept which has absolutely no basis and contradicts common sense. Please explain how a certain race of players would just happen to be full of "whiners".
ZvP has problems and I'm sure Zergs have had issues with the match up since beta. Just like PvZ has had problems since beta. Or any match up.
You're completely wrong about that. Don't conflate the match ups as if they have all had equal difficulties. There is an absolutely massive difference between the issues that have existed in PvZ and ZvP. PvZ was difficult for what, a few weeks before Roaches received huge nerfs? ZvP on the other hand has been an ongoing issue from almost the very start. Colossi with Force Fields on tiny maps full of narrow chokes is a serious problem, it's not merely newbs whining.
Yet Zergs are honestly performing at the same level as Protoss players.
Yes, because ZvT has become much more pleasant than PvT. A much more meaningful comparison would be to look at the results of this specific match up, not overall results.
For whatever reason Zerg players are complaining far more and far louder than Protoss or Terran players.
And again you're totally unable to explain how that could be. When there is absolutely no logical explanation for what you're stating, that's usually a pretty good indication that you're talking nonsense. My theory on the other hand has a very clear and simple explanation: That Zerg has been by far the weakest race, and thus Zerg players have complained much more.
ZvP isn't imbalanced and as of right now doesn't need tweaking from Blizzard. So yeah, let's hope that we don't have to endure endless whine threads from Zergs about how broken ZvP is
You have to love how these people never detect even a hint of irony about the fact that they are whining and crying... about people whining and crying. I don't know why people are so bothered by reading comments that question balance. When I read T and P newbs complaining about a supposed imbalance it doesn't bother me at all. Perhaps you should take your own advice and stop complaining.
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IdrA seems to really lack confidence these days, I am always waiting to tell us he quits after a loss. That would be really sad.
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On January 17 2011 16:04 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 15:42 Alpina wrote:
overt:
Who are you that you are so sure that ZvP is balanced? I mean noone knows for sure and it's impossible to know such thing, so why you are so confident at what you say? Looks like you are just afraid that your race may be nerfed and that's all. I have never heard a pro Zerg call it imbalanced. Zerg and Protoss performance in tournaments is almost identical (and in many cases Protoss are actually behind Zerg). From matches I've both played and watched I don't feel like it's imbalanced. My race has been nerfed in every patch minus the last one. So I'm used to nerfs and I haven't complained about the Protoss nerfs either. I don't even know if they needed the pheonix buff (although the observer buff is excellent and doesn't really effect the match ups just makes obvs easier to get out). The truth of it is that I honestly don't see the imbalance that a few TLers have mentioned.
Whoa whoa whoa, you're ready to go bonkers if a zerg pro player were to say the ZvP matchup sucks. Then later on, you're like "Well I never heard an pros say it was IMBA?'
Tournament play isn't the standard by any means, pressure and so many OTHER FACTORS make pure tournament results a flawed study group.
Yo, you're saying that ZvT used to be imbalance, would you agree (I dont want to hear degree?) would you agree that Terran had a large advantage of zerg right? And yet the first 2 GSLs had zerg players taking first. And NOBODY with a brain saw fruit dealer crushing and say "oh wait zvt is fine."
it's your opinion that ZvP is fine. and the points you bring up to support it are very weak.
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