ZvP Changes Post 1.2? - Page 14

On January 14 2011 13:21 roymarthyup wrote:
chronoboost increases the building power of a building by 50% for its duration

what this means is if a building is CONSTANTLY CHRONOBOOSTED it can produce 1.5 of a unit in its buildtime instead of 1

what that means is you can build 3 pheonix in the time it takes to build 2 pheonix assuming the stargate is constantly chrono boosted


3 pheonix is 105 seconds

2 pheonix builds in 70 seconds

so with constant chronoboost you can make 3 pheonix in 70 seconds, giving each one a buildtime of 23.333 seconds . so 35 seconds became 23.333 seconds. This means using chronoboost on a pheonix DOES NOT shave 10 seconds off its building time, in reality a fully chronoboosted pheonix gets 11.666 seconds shaved off its building time

this means in if you keep a building chronoboosted for 70 seconds, it shaved off 35 seconds of building time

do different units cause different results. lets compare

1 carrier builds in 120 seconds. so with chronoboost you can make 3 carriers in 240 seconds. this means a carrier is a 80 second buildtime with constant chronoboost. this means a fully chronoboosted carrier gets 40 seconds shaved off its building time

that means when you keep a building chronoboosted for 240 seconds for carriers, it shaved off 40x3=120 seconds of building time


so it seems chronoboost gives a specific percentage of buildtime being shaved off for how long a building is chronoboosted. If a building is chronoboosted for X seconds it shaves off 1/2x building time. So that means if you keep a building chronoboosted for 70 seconds it shaved off 35, or if you keep it chronoboosted for 240 seconds it shaved off 120


but each chronoboosted unit is fully chronoboosted gets more or less time shaved off to build depending on its buildtime. a gets 11.666 seconds of its buildtime shaved off if you chronoboost it

On January 14 2011 16:47 kinetic_skink wrote:


No - You're wrong. How can so many people here be so bad at maths.

10 seconds is correct like many people said already.

If you did your example correction

the 70 chonoboosted seconds would take 3.5 chronoboosts to achieve.

So to get the 35 seconds reducuction you mention takes 3.5 chronoboosts (Not 3)

35/3.5 = 10

So a single chronoboost reduces build times by 10 seconds (As have been repeated over and over). Your calculation was just wrong.

On January 14 2011 00:31 wherebugsgo wrote:


WTF? Since when has 150/100 been cheap in comparison to 100/100?

Also, the fact that your opponent has revealed phoenixes is enough for a Zerg to commit to roach+hydra and get Corruptors. I guarantee you that a roach+hydra timing attack will kill the Protoss because the tech switch to colossus/HT leaves a huge timing window until storm/thermal lance is/are researched.

Personally I think we're gonna see a lot more burrowed roach play. Last patch the only solution to muta+ling was a 6 gate timing attack (which only sometimes works, as exemplified by tester) or the 2 star FE build. Now, muta+ling is still viable but it doesn't completely kill most toss builds. However, I think roach-based builds will just become more popular. It's essentially what happened with PvT:

In PvT nowadays, we see marauder+Viking+ghost. The same composition exists for Zerg: just replace the Marauder with the roach, the Viking with the corruptor, and the ghost with the infestor. Zerg players have an advantage in T3 units and the ball itself by teching to ultras and broodlords, but Terrans have harassment capability in blue flame and banshees. Both compositions work because the backbone of the strategy (roaches or Marauders) is cost efficient against all gateway units. For T, ghosts must combat the HTs, but Zerg players can simply burrow to avoid storm.

The scary part is that, IMO, toss players have no good way of responding to Zerg when they execute this composition correctly.

No, YOU'RE wrong (or rather, you're arguing the wrong point). Here, let me put, in bold, the claim that he's making.

what this means is if a building is CONSTANTLY CHRONOBOOSTED it can produce 1.5 of a unit in its buildtime instead of 1

followed by

each chronoboosted unit is fully chronoboosted gets more or less time shaved off to build depending on its buildtime. a (phoenix) gets 11.666 seconds of its buildtime shaved off if you chronoboost it (constantly)

You see, his point isn't that one chrono boost saves 11.66 seconds. His point is that if you constantly chrono boost a Phoenix, you ACTUALLY save 11.66 seconds (which is accurate and true). CB once, save 10 seconds, CB the final 5 seconds of build time, and you save 1.66 seconds. If you constantly CB a stargate while building phoenix, you build each phoenix in 23.34 seconds. If you build 3 Phoenix at 23.34 seconds, you build them in 70.02 seconds.

The build time of a Phoenix is originally 35 seconds. MEANING, you can build 3 phoenix in the same amount of time it takes to build 2. WHY? Because when you increase the production speed of a building by 50%, that's the same as saying that the building produces at 1.5x the production rate. And the last time I checked my math skills, 1.5 x 2 = 3.