EPTand microsoft.com lists windows 7 professional at 300 dollars and ultimate at 320.
for germans its the same only in euro.
while one is sure to find a better deal i dont thinkt its wrong for "linux-heads" to quote 300 dollars.
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
and microsoft.com lists windows 7 professional at 300 dollars and ultimate at 320. for germans its the same only in euro. while one is sure to find a better deal i dont thinkt its wrong for "linux-heads" to quote 300 dollars. | ||
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MindRush
Romania916 Posts
On January 05 2011 05:22 Garbels wrote: you will lose about 50% of your windows performance running sc2 in wine. and microsoft.com lists windows 7 professional at 300 dollars and ultimate at 320. for germans its the same only in euro. while one is sure to find a better deal i dont thinkt its wrong for "linux-heads" to quote 300 dollars. seems to me like 300 USD is cash well spent on hardware, better than on software. Moreover, emulation just keeps getting better and better, so 50% loss is exagerated even now "Linux-heads" can use the 300 USD gap in software by investing in hardware. Think about this for now .......... not a bad idea is it ? | ||
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SamGamgee
79 Posts
first OS ive ever purchased, well worth it. | ||
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Blurzz
United States33 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
wine lets the cpu and gpu sleep too much if you put it on on-demand or whatever, resulting a fairly laggy experience. this might also apply to desktop cpus/gpus that have similar functionality. also, afaik, blizzard -does- unofficially support wine; they test on it in-house but they will never do public support for it | ||
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Robellicose
England245 Posts
The 50% loss is actually a bit wierd. Certain games I've played under Wine (which isn't emulation software, it's more accurate to call it a compatibility layer) such as Serious Sam 1 & 2 have ran faster under wine than in native windows. Some have ran just as smoothly and some have been dog awful. Distressingly you can never be that sure how well a windows program will run on your computer under wine until you try it out. An aside as a long-term linux user, ATI cards run TERRIBLY under linux. This is down to the drivers supplied by ATI. There is an open-source driver available, which certainly works well enough for simple 3-D (my desktop is very pretty) but it struggles with higher-end graphics. Summary - if you want to play games on linux, get an NVIDIA card. And encourage the spread of linux. Until it's commercially viable for the companies to spend the time and effort creating the drivers, it's not going to happen. | ||
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bejurne
Germany29 Posts
I am a bit puzzled though. Why do you first install wine from the repository and then build it yourself from the source? Is there any reason for this? | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
You guys that say linux is only for programming and work are being extremely closed minded! Linux is meant to be a full OS capable of anything that can be done on the hardware it is running on. That includes games and media! Wine is not emulation. It runs x86 and x64 binaries natively and hooks up dll function calls the exact same way windows does. There are two ways that performance can fall behind windows. The first, and most obvious is because of the lacking graphics support provided by Nvidia and AMD in linux compared to windows. The second is when wine's code isn't as efficient as the microsoft implementation but this is not an issue in most cases because most cpu time is spent in the executable's own code, not the wine libraries. The third (that I didn't think of initially) is that the directX api is being converted to openGL on the fly. This is not a trivial task because the APIs are completely different and causes both functionality and performance losses. Gallium3d is an amazing project that already has full the directx 10/11 interface implemented on linux. If the big gfx chip makers would create drivers for it for their cards, we'd be able to run direct3d natively on linux with no performance loss. But for now that is only a dream... edited to provide link and third bullet in p2 | ||
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linduxed
Sweden111 Posts
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On January 05 2011 06:58 MindRush wrote: seems to me like 300 USD is cash well spent on hardware, better than on software. Moreover, emulation just keeps getting better and better, so 50% loss is exagerated even now "Linux-heads" can use the 300 USD gap in software by investing in hardware. Think about this for now .......... not a bad idea is it ? Okay, so if you buy a pre-build computer, it is very easy to get one includes windows without adding much cost. If you are actually building your own computer, you should be getting the oem copy so you can get Windows 7 pro for $140. Now on top of that, there is absolutely no reason to buy Windows 7 pro unless you want to join a windows domain, which you cannot do with linux anyways so you should be getting Windows 7 home oem for $100. Are you really going to make up for the performance difference with $100 of hardware? No, you're not. On top of the fact that there will still be tons of things that just won't work. There are good reasons to use linux, but saving yourself from the cost of a MS OS is probably the most stupid and over exaggerated one and I would love to be able to use linux exclusively but SC2 is one of the reasons I don't and getting it to run under wine is a waste of my time and hardware. | ||
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bejurne
Germany29 Posts
To save others the time: If you want to mount the sc2 iso, you need to use the unhide option to see all the contents. So the mount command should look something like this: + Show Spoiler + mount <path to iso> /mnt -o loop,unhide Maybe add this to the OP. PS: Let us please keep this thread on the technical side. There are plenty of places out on the internet to fight the holy OS war. This is not one of them. | ||
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MrKibbles
United States19 Posts
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MindRush
Romania916 Posts
On January 06 2011 02:07 bejurne wrote: I can report that this works very well on Debian Squeeze 32bit. I have to reduce the graphics settings slightly compared to Win7 to run it smoothly. It is amazing how well this runs though, no glitches or random crashes. To save others the time: If you want to mount the sc2 iso, you need to use the unhide option to see all the contents. So the mount command should look something like this: + Show Spoiler + mount <path to iso> /mnt -o loop,unhide Maybe add this to the OP. PS: Let us please keep this thread on the technical side. There are plenty of places out on the internet to fight the holy OS war. This is not one of them. i didn't install from .iso you can use the original DVD or just use the version u can download from blizzard official site anyways i do not want to list every possibility (how to install from .iso image, how to install on a removable drive, etc)- just how to install locally and normally and make the game work | ||
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goneim
China201 Posts
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TehForce
1072 Posts
Wine IS NOT an emulator. It maps windows system calls to the linux counterparts. Thats why every programm running with wine is just as fast (if not even faster) than in windows. The reason sc2 is running slower in linux is the unoptimized graphic card driver from Nvidia (or even worse: from AMD) Also for all those people who complain about people trying to run sc2 in linux. If somebody is using linux as his main system, why should this person - spend additonal 80+$ for windows - spend time to configure windows - reserve hard drive space for windows - wait for a reboot EVERY time he wants to play / work with his pc when there is a way to make it possible in linux. Just let the linux people alone, will you? | ||
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Nahema
Germany54 Posts
Edit: win vs linux disscussion.... always annoying as hell I run Ubuntu and Win 7 but i prefer to work under Ubuntu, its less nerv consuming *g*. | ||
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Scraps
United States39 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754&cm_re=windows_7_oem-_-32-116-754-_-Product | ||
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Dmytro
United States19 Posts
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WTFZerg
United States704 Posts
At any rate, I used Linux for about a year (CentOS) when I was younger and learned a great deal about it, but at the end of the day there's no real reason to use it over Windows unless you are running a server. $0.02 Edit: Oh christ I didn't realize this was a necro'd thread. | ||
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Gogleion
United States534 Posts
I did wine /media/SC2*/Installer.exe And got a box saying Sorry, the installer was unable to start up. No installer data could be found. If this problem persists, please contact Blizzard Technical Support. Running Ubuntu 10.04 and Wine 1.3.26 EDIT: If adding http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu to your update manager doesn't work, then you can add ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa instead. Source: http://www.winehq.org/download/ubuntu | ||
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