EPTDo you even know what the definition of match-fixing is??
Like do I need to copy paste from a dictionary or something for you?
Morrow and Sjow Matchfixing? - Page 44
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
Do you even know what the definition of match-fixing is?? Like do I need to copy paste from a dictionary or something for you? | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:51 Ipp wrote: These are actual people, not some robotic players for our amusement. Believe it or not, eSports isn't the most lucrative job and they have bills to pay. They were doing nothing wrong and this is not match fixing or conspiring to fix matches. It is simply them beating a poorly designed system, you can't have a loop hole in a tournament setup and expect a STRATEGY player to not see it; Halo maybe. The solution to obtaining $$$ to pay your bills is not to CHEAT, contributing to only of the only dark perception clouds over SC2 and eSports in general that began with Savior's match fixing ring. The solution would be to get good enough to earn a sponsor that can support you financially, or to get a fucking job. Maybe you can get a gig signing autographs and books in Las Vegas like Pete Rose has. This stuff makes me sick. | ||
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wachnlurn
Korea (South)50 Posts
the blacksox were paid by an outside source to throw the world series. if you compared that to this situation it would be like... the braves agreeing to let the yankees win the world series...but the yankees would split their bonus with the braves. it doesnt really matter what the reward is or whos paying it if you look at it from a professional sports fans perspective and the league owners perspective its damaging to the sport. | ||
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idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
They are lucky that it is a small tournament so they most likely not getting banned from other tournaments but if they would be banned that is OK and they should accept it. I think that only 1 is going to play now is damage limitation and a poor try to clean their names. To be honest a tourney in which you think you can get to the finals 18 times out of 18 games there is no need to cheat for a little bit extra prize money (especially if there is a step system so you guys get at least 9-9 both(assuming 10-8 >9-9)) also its totally fine to share the prize money but to rig games isnt- that greedy attitude just fucked up your team - think about it. | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
Also, I personally believe that the arguments given by Sjow prove my point. | ||
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razamanaz
271 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:59 zev318 wrote: "They were doing nothing wrong and this is not match fixing or conspiring to fix matches." - Ipp Do you even know what the definition of match-fixing is?? Like do I need to copy paste from a dictionary or something for you? Why did you take this one line out of context ? | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On December 23 2010 02:04 razamanaz wrote: Why did you take this one line out of context ? How is that out of context? I just felt it was stupid to say its not match fixing, when they are planning the outcome of a match. | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:50 Treemonkeys wrote: That's like saying this murder is okay because there are plenty of others you never knew about. Hey murder is the same as trying to make money from a tournament! On December 23 2010 02:00 Zorkmid wrote: The solution to obtaining $$$ to pay your bills is not to CHEAT, contributing to only of the only dark perception clouds over SC2 and eSports in general that began with Savior's match fixing ring. The solution would be to get good enough to earn a sponsor that can support you financially, or to get a fucking job. Maybe you can get a gig signing autographs and books in Las Vegas like Pete Rose has. This stuff makes me sick. You are saying you want them to quit the thing they are awesome at, and have worked hard to be awesome at, and just get a regular ol job? You must not love e-sports. You are also suggesting they write books about starcraft, and then sell their autographs at events in Las Vegas. I think you are officially the most unrealistic poster in this thread. | ||
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Minus`
United States174 Posts
On December 23 2010 02:01 idonthinksobro wrote: i hope their teams kick them - they arent worthy to be on a "pro"-team its bad PR for the team - whenever someone now talks about their teams there still is a bitter feeling that it is a cheater team. They are lucky that it is a small tournament so they most likely not getting banned from other tournaments but if they would be banned that is OK and they should accept it. I think that only 1 is going to play now is damage limitation and a poor try to clean their names. To be honest a tourney in which you think you can get to the finals 18 times out of 18 games there is no need to cheat for a little bit extra prize money (especially if there is a step system so you guys get at least 9-9 both(assuming 10-8 >9-9)) also its totally fine to share the prize money but to rig games isnt- that greedy attitude just fucked up your team - think about it. I don't think so, bro. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7378351 | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On December 23 2010 02:05 Aberu wrote: Hey murder is the same as trying to make money from a tournament! People do kill for money. | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
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Rabbitmaster
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JJEOS
United States127 Posts
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
Quit trolling, I was calling him out on his slippery-slope fallacy. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:21 zev318 wrote: its like Idra throwing the final series vs QXC in EG masters for some extra cash, i bet all of you who thinks this isnt a big deal would fucking flip out. This is my thought exactly. "Hey IdrA wanna earn 500$? Just let me win the games". (I assume the notebook is worth more than 500$^^) "Ok, deal, just 2rax me, it's strong enough to beat me when I make some tiny mistakes and no one will know". Or what will happen in GSL Code S? Think about the oGs group (Nada, MC, Inca) + sanZenith. Imagine 1 oGs player (let's call him MC^^) is qualified. sanZenith pulls a miracle and is tied for 2nd place with another oGs player. That oGs player is playing MC last. Should MC let him win so 2 oGs players advance? Even though MC is the better player and would normally beat him which would lead to sanZenith advancing? The tournament format is strange, sure. It sounds similiar to premiums (like in football contracts, where players get more money for goals, advancing in tournaments, minimum league rankings,...) but in this case it's tournament side not sponsor/club side. But I dont think "Oh this sucks - I will try everything to exploit the system" is a good way to solve those problems. Reminds me of the Morrow ESL casting incident where he also acted first and sought communication later. Ah well - maybe it's just his age  | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
What is wrong with that? Why are there so many haters? Did they do anything wrong besides talk about what can and can't be done? Why are so many people so willing to believe a source which is known for bad journalism? Anyways.... It is a bad format for a tourney... and all this is doing is feeding that terrible site free hits for being terrible at reporting news. le sigh. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On December 23 2010 01:43 hidiliho wrote: This feels like it's being blown out of proportion. Cheating is bad yes. But it's such a small tournament and they shouldn't get crucified internationally for it. It's like if 1. Micheal Jordan and Larry Bird cheated in a street basketball game tournament 2. It gets leaked on you tube 3. public demands for their heads to be cut off Wow that is the worst comparison I have ever seen in my entire life. Try this one, it would make more sense evern though I don't agree with it at all. 1. Michael Jordan and Larry Bird cheat in a minor leage tournament. 2. Gets leaked 3. We want their heads. See what I did there? Not the big leagues, but the people in it still take it seriously. | ||
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Hirnfrost
Germany938 Posts
On December 22 2010 23:41 Ipp wrote: [...]Do you honestly think a previous IEM winner is stupid enough to talk about match fixing while streaming?[...] It´s not the first time he is did something like that. There was an ESL-tournament where he didn´t invite the ESL-streamer to his game and apologised afterwards for doing so. But to a different streamer (bigt) he wrote that he told ESL he regrets it, but in reality he doesn´t... to a streamer who has about 1-2k viewers... and now he got caught on his OWN stream... And just because nothing happened doesn´t mean that it couldn´t have happened. I can kind of understand their point of view, financially it is a no brainer as Ipp said. But it´s still a shame from a sports perspective. | ||
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DuckSausage
United States83 Posts
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
On December 23 2010 02:12 JJEOS wrote: LOL so many TL'ers crying about this. LOL so many TL'ers without integrity and morals. | ||
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