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On December 04 2010 13:39 SlapMySalami wrote:
I do not think fungal growth will change zvz. Picture the roach builds now without the fungal growth change. Picture the roach build after fungal growth change. Do you know what the counter to mutas is? It is to go fucking kill him because he will not have enough ground army OR it is to make hydras. infestors are not necessary anywhere in that UNLESS you go roach infestor and in that case fungal growth will still effect ground.
yeah because its totally impossible to get mutas out without dying...
zvz will now 100% turn out in roach allins & mass muta wars.
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On December 04 2010 13:40 251 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 13:38 HyDrO-NP- wrote:On December 04 2010 13:20 Gorlin wrote:
I think a buff to hyrdra's health would be a good idea. Since the FG nerf obviously encourages more hyrdras, it would be smart to make them less fragile in other situations (specifically vs collosi/storms).
Also, I feel like the biggest dumbass... I didn't actually know that you could just hold down the hotkey for larvae instead of just pressing the hotkey really fast... uhhh I mean, I knew it was a bug and was practicing for the fix all along? Let's go with that! I would like a speed upgrade for hydra's if they want to encourage hydra play. You have speed upgrades for lings and roaches, might as well have it for hydra too. Why do people think Hydras are "SOOO SLOOWWW OMGGG" they move the same "normal" 2.25 off creep as many many other units. Their DPS is insane, if they were any faster it'd break the game. Their speed on creep is ridiculous too
Their size makes them unwieldy. That coupled with their speed doesn't help. Think of the Immortal. Now imagine ten of them. It's a similar situation, except that there would be even more Hydralisks.
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Dislike the fungal change.
I dont see any sense in it.
Neural parasite is pretty useless as it is.
Now that fungal doesnt hit air means infested marines will be never seen again either.
We will see the already popular phoenix opening vs zerg and zerg will be forced to get hydras. And P will get colossus.
Corrupter or Hydras could will need a change now. Oh and ofc NP and infested terrans have to be adjusted IF they want to see infestors being played at all.
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On December 04 2010 11:09 Kitetsu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:05 Fa1nT wrote:
Fungall Growth will NOT be added to the offical game. There is NO counter to phoenix and mutas without it. Any competent player can fly around forever avoiding hydra. That's how it feels to play against Mutas as P or T.
lol wat are u on about, Phoenix's are faster than mutas.
Phoenix's are the fastest air units period.
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We will see the already popular phoenix opening vs zerg and zerg will be forced to get hydras. And P will get colossus.
Corrupter or Hydras could need a change now.
Corrupters deal quite well with both phoenix and colossus. I don't see the problem.
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No more mutas in ZvP then lol..
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I'm a bit confused about fungal growth not affecting air units...
Is Warp Prism not an air unit? It says it won't be able to support protoss buildings if fungal growthed.
Wouldn't that be impossible anyway? o-O;
Well.. Everything seems okays cept' the fungal growth thing and the Void Ray upgrade. The least they could've done for Voidray was give it just an additional speed boost as it was. No idea what happened to Fungal Growth....
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Fungal Growth cant hit air? never realized a problem with the infestors stopping air units... i dont get it, and Im not looking forward to this patch IMO other than the chats... But still it dont seem like they made the changes i think are needed...
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No fix to T late game is a sad sad issue. Here goes another copuple months of terrible gimmicky play trying to desperately end the game in under 10 minutes.
I feel so bad for Z's that they are removing the hol down key. Massing games as Z is going to make you sore lol, I can remeber playing Z before I knew about holding down the key and the amount of keyboard spamming I had to do was ridiclous.
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On December 04 2010 13:41 Emokes wrote:The hotkeys are really awesome I always liked larva inject on R and was sad when they made it V I can now be happy its R again 
i feel the same way...this patch is awesome. the PTR implementation is going to be awesome! lol everyone just play on PTR!
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To the people implying that this the patch notes are not retail and thusly subject to change this is the same logic as THIS IS BETA111 people during the beta.
If you follow the blizzard patching logic brought over from wow PTR notes are usually final. Do not expect them to change.
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On December 04 2010 13:45 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +
We will see the already popular phoenix opening vs zerg and zerg will be forced to get hydras. And P will get colossus.
Corrupter or Hydras could need a change now.
Corrupters deal quite well with both phoenix and colossus. I don't see the problem.
Sure, if they can hit them. Which means the phoenix need to get within range.
Trouble is, the corruptors need to stay in the right place to defend overlords. And phoenix are faster than corruptors, so you can just fly around to where corruptors aren't. And if the Zerg makes lots of them to defend everything, you can just make a unit they can't hit, like... anything.
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Protoss structures can no longer be powered without a power source if constructed while powered by a Warp Prism under the effects of Neural Parasite.
Wait? Warp-prisms can power up buildings? How did I not know that? Soo I can drop a probe with prism, start building both pylon + cannons AT THE SAME TIME and just leave, whole process taking ~5 seconds?
Nice, even tho not revolutionary. I guess power of that is that enemy may not notice until cannons are ready thanks to no attack messages. *starts plotting stuff*
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On December 04 2010 13:44 me_viet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:09 Kitetsu wrote:On December 04 2010 11:05 Fa1nT wrote:
Fungall Growth will NOT be added to the offical game. There is NO counter to phoenix and mutas without it. Any competent player can fly around forever avoiding hydra. That's how it feels to play against Mutas as P or T. lol wat are u on about, Phoenix's are faster than mutas. Phoenix's are the fastest air units period.
Interceptors are faster.
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On December 04 2010 13:46 Zhou wrote:
I'm a bit confused about fungal growth not affecting air units...
Is Warp Prism not an air unit? It says it won't be able to support protoss buildings if fungal growthed.
Wouldn't that be impossible anyway? o-O;
Well.. Everything seems okays cept' the fungal growth thing and the Void Ray upgrade. The least they could've done for Voidray was give it just an additional speed boost as it was. No idea what happened to Fungal Growth....
It was Neural Parasite that affected the Warp Prism. If that's not what you mean, others have theorized and/or supported that the Fungal Growth nerf was a result of some interaction between it and Void Rays.
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On December 04 2010 13:46 XXXSmOke wrote:
No fix to T late game is a sad sad issue. Here goes another copuple months of terrible gimmicky play trying to desperately end the game in under 10 minutes.
I feel so bad for Z's that they are removing the hol down key. Massing games as Z is going to make you sore lol, I can remeber playing Z before I knew about holding down the key and the amount of keyboard spamming I had to do was ridiclous.
lol i thought the hold down was not a bug but something new to sc2. oh well i love how they made it harder!
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these chat channels are the worst goddamn thing ever right now
i can send 3 lines before having to wait 2 minutes before i can send more messages
sure makes it easy to carry a conversation when everyone is forced to pause after a few lines, to actually get anything out of it you're going to have to transmit a paragraphs worth of text for each line
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On December 04 2010 13:45 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +
We will see the already popular phoenix opening vs zerg and zerg will be forced to get hydras. And P will get colossus.
Corrupter or Hydras could need a change now.
Corrupters deal quite well with both phoenix and colossus. I don't see the problem.
Because you dont see the big picture. Corrupters are useless once P does backtech or techs to anything else. Thats why nobody plays them and Mutas were so famous in that matchup for a long time...
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On December 04 2010 13:37 Ancient.eu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 13:35 DragonDefonce wrote:
So I guess they want Protoss to use phoenixes more? It will be interesting to see how it turns out. No, they don't want you to use phoenixes more, they are trying to balance the game not tell you how to play.
They aren't mutually exclusive. If one unit is being underused, Blizzard has explicitly stated they will find tries to make it be useful.
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On December 04 2010 13:46 TedJustice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 13:44 me_viet wrote:On December 04 2010 11:09 Kitetsu wrote:On December 04 2010 11:05 Fa1nT wrote:
Fungall Growth will NOT be added to the offical game. There is NO counter to phoenix and mutas without it. Any competent player can fly around forever avoiding hydra. That's how it feels to play against Mutas as P or T. lol wat are u on about, Phoenix's are faster than mutas. Phoenix's are the fastest air units period. I think overseers with speed might be faster.
lol overseers are not faster than phoenix. im pretty sure phoenix is the fastest
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