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On December 03 2010 20:11 kmkkmk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 07:01 Jayrod wrote:
This is hilarious. He's giving a lesson on doing a counter that doesn't even work against Nazgul's opener on almost any other map. Nazgul explained in great detail why it was stupid for him to do this build on scrap station and how blink stalkers dont work well on that map, but he did it because he felt idra wouldnt expect it 3 times in a row and knew it couldnt be stopped on Kulas Ravine. What is the source for this claim? Where did Nazgul say so?
I read this somewhere to. I think it was in an interview with him that was posted on tl.net shortly after MLG Dallas. I was at Dallas and watched all three of the games and when I saw the title for this vid I thought he was going to analyze what he did wrong. Then I saw which map and realized he was just going to show the one game he defended it, because it is the one map(in the dallas pool) that this strat is not good on. I think game three would have been a better game to look at. Because from this game he makes it sound like he knows exactly how to counter blink stalkers but then the very next game he loses to it again. It would have been more educational(imho) if he explained what he did wrong to lose against it after beating it so easily in game two.
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On December 04 2010 00:02 Jedimonky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 20:11 kmkkmk wrote:On December 03 2010 07:01 Jayrod wrote:
This is hilarious. He's giving a lesson on doing a counter that doesn't even work against Nazgul's opener on almost any other map. Nazgul explained in great detail why it was stupid for him to do this build on scrap station and how blink stalkers dont work well on that map, but he did it because he felt idra wouldnt expect it 3 times in a row and knew it couldnt be stopped on Kulas Ravine. What is the source for this claim? Where did Nazgul say so? I read this somewhere to. I think it was in an interview with him that was posted on tl.net shortly after MLG Dallas. I was at Dallas and watched all three of the games and when I saw the title for this vid I thought he was going to analyze what he did wrong. Then I saw which map and realized he was just going to show the one game he defended it, because it is the one map(in the dallas pool) that this strat is not good on. I think game three would have been a better game to look at. Because from this game he makes it sound like he knows exactly how to counter blink stalkers but then the very next game he loses to it again. It would have been more educational(imho) if he explained what he did wrong to lose against it after beating it so easily in game two.
"What he did wrong" was get Kulas as his map.
Hydra would not have been out fast enough, so he went roaches.
roaches vs blink stalkers and cliffs lose, so that was that
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On December 04 2010 00:10 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:02 Jedimonky wrote:On December 03 2010 20:11 kmkkmk wrote:On December 03 2010 07:01 Jayrod wrote:
This is hilarious. He's giving a lesson on doing a counter that doesn't even work against Nazgul's opener on almost any other map. Nazgul explained in great detail why it was stupid for him to do this build on scrap station and how blink stalkers dont work well on that map, but he did it because he felt idra wouldnt expect it 3 times in a row and knew it couldnt be stopped on Kulas Ravine. What is the source for this claim? Where did Nazgul say so? I read this somewhere to. I think it was in an interview with him that was posted on tl.net shortly after MLG Dallas. I was at Dallas and watched all three of the games and when I saw the title for this vid I thought he was going to analyze what he did wrong. Then I saw which map and realized he was just going to show the one game he defended it, because it is the one map(in the dallas pool) that this strat is not good on. I think game three would have been a better game to look at. Because from this game he makes it sound like he knows exactly how to counter blink stalkers but then the very next game he loses to it again. It would have been more educational(imho) if he explained what he did wrong to lose against it after beating it so easily in game two. "What he did wrong" was get Kulas as his map. Hydra would not have been out fast enough, so he went roaches. roaches vs blink stalkers and cliffs lose, so that was that
More specifically, Idra should have thumbed down Kulas instead of Steppes, that was one of his biggest mistakes in the series. He wasn't forced to play the map in some random draw or something, he had the opportunity to eliminate it but didn't. I think Naz said the blink strategy doesn't work nearly as well on Steppes.
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He said that in a Liquid Weekly
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awesome.. well done again Greg!
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On December 03 2010 06:15 Infernus wrote:Really liked these vids. It's good to see IdrA in a role like this!  I'd like to see a rep where IdrA looses and goes through what he did wrong etcetc. just to get some variation! Anyhow, I think this is a brilliant idea to bring the community CloseR and not being afraid to share tips and what not. Big props for making these vids.
Isn't it obvious? Grack doesn't do anything wrong. He only loses because the other races are op, even in ZvZ.
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You know what would be good publicity for Kingston? If IdrA says GG at the end of his pro-tips
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haha wow you have possibly the greatest english-speaking sc2 player in the world walking you through the nuances of his play and all most of you can do is nitpick things that mean absolutely nothing. Even though I don't play zerg I found these vods pretty cool and good for the community. Also djwheet's voice at the beginning :D
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I love the way idra analyzed this, I think he did a grw=eat job, I hope to see more of these in the future! I know Idra has gotten the reputation of an sc2 villian but think of it as something that will increase the interest in pro-gaming! :D
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On December 04 2010 00:12 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:10 Fa1nT wrote:On December 04 2010 00:02 Jedimonky wrote:On December 03 2010 20:11 kmkkmk wrote:On December 03 2010 07:01 Jayrod wrote:
This is hilarious. He's giving a lesson on doing a counter that doesn't even work against Nazgul's opener on almost any other map. Nazgul explained in great detail why it was stupid for him to do this build on scrap station and how blink stalkers dont work well on that map, but he did it because he felt idra wouldnt expect it 3 times in a row and knew it couldnt be stopped on Kulas Ravine. What is the source for this claim? Where did Nazgul say so? I read this somewhere to. I think it was in an interview with him that was posted on tl.net shortly after MLG Dallas. I was at Dallas and watched all three of the games and when I saw the title for this vid I thought he was going to analyze what he did wrong. Then I saw which map and realized he was just going to show the one game he defended it, because it is the one map(in the dallas pool) that this strat is not good on. I think game three would have been a better game to look at. Because from this game he makes it sound like he knows exactly how to counter blink stalkers but then the very next game he loses to it again. It would have been more educational(imho) if he explained what he did wrong to lose against it after beating it so easily in game two. "What he did wrong" was get Kulas as his map. Hydra would not have been out fast enough, so he went roaches. roaches vs blink stalkers and cliffs lose, so that was that More specifically, Idra should have thumbed down Kulas instead of Steppes, that was one of his biggest mistakes in the series. He wasn't forced to play the map in some random draw or something, he had the opportunity to eliminate it but didn't. I think Naz said the blink strategy doesn't work nearly as well on Steppes.
I completely agree. Not down voting Kulas was a big mistake. Which is something he could have talked about. Strategies are map dependent.
On December 04 2010 00:10 Fa1nT wrote:"What he did wrong" was get Kulas as his map.
Hydra would not have been out fast enough, so he went roaches.
roaches vs blink stalkers and cliffs lose, so that was that
My point was that analyzing a game about how to defeat blink stalkers on the map that his opponent even admitted was bad for blink stalkers is somewhat misleading. His build was good for countering blink stalkers because the map was scrap station not because it is the best way to deal with blink stalkers in general... As seen by the results of game 3.
Also as Hot_Bid said he didn't randomly get stuck with kulas he made the decision to not down vote it. He could talk about why in his analysis. In a tournament like MLG, which maps you down vote are very important.
For the record I respect Idra as a top level skilled player.
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awesome! but just some constructive feedback:
the camera management needs a bit of work. Naturally as a gamer you want the camera to be zooming all over the place to match the speed you are thinking/doing things at. but as a commentator, less moving with the edges and more point and shoot or consistent panning would make watching a much more pleasant experience.
really digging the series, keep it up idra!
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I thought he was very articulate and the details such as overlord placement were useful.
However, the porno music going in the background at all times was really awkward.
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