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Kingston HyperX Pro Tip: EG.IdrA vs. Liquid`Nazgul

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Colbi
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States535 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 21:49:05
December 02 2010 21:05 GMT
#1
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In this video series presented by Kingston HyperX, Evil Geniuses' own Greg "IdrA" Fields commentates on his match versus Liquid`Nazgul from MLG Dallas. Greg explains how he countered the Blink Stalker strategy used by Nazgul and elaborates on why the outcome of the match went in his favor on Map 2 of the series.

Evil Geniuses will be releasing a new IdrA Pro Tip presented by Kingston HyperX once a week for one month. Fields provides his commentary on what happened, what went wrong, and what all aspiring pro StarCraft II players need to know in order to compete at the highest levels in gaming. You can check out the video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zit8CgTMzpU

You can also check out his Pro Tip from last week featuring Liquid`HuK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckP4zRMIdrQ
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EG.lectR
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States617 Posts
December 02 2010 21:10 GMT
#2
i'm so excited and I just can't hide it
@colindeshong
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
December 02 2010 21:12 GMT
#3
so cool gonna watch right now.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Infernus
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway222 Posts
December 02 2010 21:15 GMT
#4
Really liked these vids. It's good to see IdrA in a role like this! I'd like to see a rep where IdrA looses and goes through what he did wrong etcetc. just to get some variation! Anyhow, I think this is a brilliant idea to bring the community closer and not being afraid to share tips and what not. Big props for making these vids.
sup ;o
ScrubS
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands436 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-02 21:24:41
December 02 2010 21:24 GMT
#5
I really like this, but this is the second ZvP in a row
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
December 02 2010 21:27 GMT
#6
thx going to watch it see if idra comes up with some raw strategy.
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reprise
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada316 Posts
December 02 2010 21:29 GMT
#7
Would love to see a longer macro oriented game =]

And tehe "blinkers"
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LeGeNDz
Profile Joined November 2010
60 Posts
December 02 2010 21:38 GMT
#8
lol I love his subtleness, "he blink stalker rushed.... every single game"
ZerOfy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom405 Posts
December 02 2010 21:46 GMT
#9
I liked how he fucks up what his saying at the start in both videos so far. :p
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KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
December 02 2010 21:47 GMT
#10
IdrA looks really tired, but still pro analysis from Idra's mind is good.
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njAl
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway156 Posts
December 02 2010 21:51 GMT
#11
I'm sorry to say, but IdrA really sucks at presenting
=^.^=
LeGeNDz
Profile Joined November 2010
60 Posts
December 02 2010 21:56 GMT
#12
On December 03 2010 06:51 njAl wrote:
I'm sorry to say, but IdrA really sucks at presenting


Actually I like his presentation. He articulates his reasons well and is easy on the ears.
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
December 02 2010 22:01 GMT
#13
This is hilarious. He's giving a lesson on doing a counter that doesn't even work against Nazgul's opener on almost any other map. Nazgul explained in great detail why it was stupid for him to do this build on scrap station and how blink stalkers dont work well on that map, but he did it because he felt idra wouldnt expect it 3 times in a row and knew it couldnt be stopped on Kulas Ravine.
Escape
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada306 Posts
December 02 2010 22:01 GMT
#14
omg... blinker rush!
<3 idra
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
December 02 2010 22:13 GMT
#15
On December 03 2010 06:51 njAl wrote:
I'm sorry to say, but IdrA really sucks at presenting


Why? Everything he said was clear and I learnt something.
EG.lectR
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States617 Posts
December 03 2010 00:06 GMT
#16
very cool!
@colindeshong
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
December 03 2010 00:07 GMT
#17
Was waiting for this, awesome stuff.
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Kesler
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada175 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 00:19:07
December 03 2010 00:08 GMT
#18
awesome love these, keep em coming team eg! hope to see some of these from the protoss point of view
what do you mean barq's has bite?!
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
December 03 2010 00:17 GMT
#19
As a Zerg player, this is invaluable information. Hopefully he will do some ZvT and ZvZ though...or some late game replays.
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
December 03 2010 00:18 GMT
#20
Why does he keep saying its an 8 pylon >_<

Other than that small annoyance these are pretty cool.
Like a G6
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
December 03 2010 00:25 GMT
#21
IdrA is doing an awesome job with these videos
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
December 03 2010 00:36 GMT
#22
I know he lost game 3, but I'd have really liked to hear his analysis on that particular game.
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LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
December 03 2010 00:40 GMT
#23
This is probably the best "insight" video of SC2 I have seen. Really useful tips. Thanks for the video
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Pibacc
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada545 Posts
December 03 2010 00:42 GMT
#24
Reminds me of all the vids of n0thing teaching people how to aim hehe. thanks for the vids
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
December 03 2010 00:49 GMT
#25
Love hearing IdrA and any top gamer discuss the game, thanks for this!
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Rawenkeke
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway350 Posts
December 03 2010 00:54 GMT
#26
Idra so good at everything!
Toxiferous
Profile Joined June 2009
United States388 Posts
December 03 2010 00:58 GMT
#27
looooooooooooooooooove these

MOREEEEEEEEE please
Clow
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Brazil880 Posts
December 03 2010 01:05 GMT
#28
On December 03 2010 06:51 njAl wrote:
I'm sorry to say, but IdrA really sucks at presenting


Woah.. At the end of the video I was thinking 'wow, IdrA did a pretty good job, I'm amazed'
(–_–) CJ Entusman #33
woowoo
Profile Joined May 2010
France164 Posts
December 03 2010 01:16 GMT
#29
Good videos, waiting for more.
wooooo
LeGeNDz
Profile Joined November 2010
60 Posts
December 03 2010 01:17 GMT
#30
On December 03 2010 10:05 Clow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 06:51 njAl wrote:
I'm sorry to say, but IdrA really sucks at presenting


Woah.. At the end of the video I was thinking 'wow, IdrA did a pretty good job, I'm amazed'


Yea, haters are gonna hate.
ohN
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
December 03 2010 01:18 GMT
#31
Good videos imo. I kinda wish he'd do longer macro games though. It'd be much more interesting.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
December 03 2010 01:19 GMT
#32
Nazgul got blunk
Bluedraqy
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark496 Posts
December 03 2010 01:19 GMT
#33
On December 03 2010 10:18 ohN wrote:
Good videos imo. I kinda wish he'd do longer macro games though. It'd be much more interesting.

Indeed, for the next video I'd love for him to commentate a longer game, to really show us, why he feels so strong going into the mid-late game with an economical advantage etc.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
December 03 2010 01:21 GMT
#34
This is really helpful! Keep it coming!
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Chaoz
Profile Joined March 2010
United States507 Posts
December 03 2010 01:25 GMT
#35
Omg, is Wheat voicing the commercial?
EG.lectR
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States617 Posts
December 03 2010 01:26 GMT
#36
On December 03 2010 10:25 Chaoz wrote:
Omg, is Wheat voicing the commercial?


Yep.
@colindeshong
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
December 03 2010 01:27 GMT
#37
Why no 720p or 1080p option? =(
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
December 03 2010 01:31 GMT
#38
I think he did a really good explanation and such,

But like someone said, I think this scenario (map) is a pretty bad example, and overall makes this video much less valueable. Other maps blink stalkers can be a much bigger problem due to shorter attack distances and tighter combat zones. (not to mention things like scouting denial)
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OwMyGroin
Profile Joined May 2007
59 Posts
December 03 2010 02:04 GMT
#39
he said roach ling on sotg but now says hydra is the counter
kmkkmk
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany418 Posts
December 03 2010 11:11 GMT
#40
On December 03 2010 07:01 Jayrod wrote:
This is hilarious. He's giving a lesson on doing a counter that doesn't even work against Nazgul's opener on almost any other map. Nazgul explained in great detail why it was stupid for him to do this build on scrap station and how blink stalkers dont work well on that map, but he did it because he felt idra wouldnt expect it 3 times in a row and knew it couldnt be stopped on Kulas Ravine.

What is the source for this claim? Where did Nazgul say so?
Jedimonky
Profile Joined September 2010
United States56 Posts
December 03 2010 15:02 GMT
#41
On December 03 2010 20:11 kmkkmk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 07:01 Jayrod wrote:
This is hilarious. He's giving a lesson on doing a counter that doesn't even work against Nazgul's opener on almost any other map. Nazgul explained in great detail why it was stupid for him to do this build on scrap station and how blink stalkers dont work well on that map, but he did it because he felt idra wouldnt expect it 3 times in a row and knew it couldnt be stopped on Kulas Ravine.

What is the source for this claim? Where did Nazgul say so?


I read this somewhere to. I think it was in an interview with him that was posted on tl.net shortly after MLG Dallas. I was at Dallas and watched all three of the games and when I saw the title for this vid I thought he was going to analyze what he did wrong. Then I saw which map and realized he was just going to show the one game he defended it, because it is the one map(in the dallas pool) that this strat is not good on. I think game three would have been a better game to look at. Because from this game he makes it sound like he knows exactly how to counter blink stalkers but then the very next game he loses to it again. It would have been more educational(imho) if he explained what he did wrong to lose against it after beating it so easily in game two.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
December 03 2010 15:10 GMT
#42
On December 04 2010 00:02 Jedimonky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 20:11 kmkkmk wrote:
On December 03 2010 07:01 Jayrod wrote:
This is hilarious. He's giving a lesson on doing a counter that doesn't even work against Nazgul's opener on almost any other map. Nazgul explained in great detail why it was stupid for him to do this build on scrap station and how blink stalkers dont work well on that map, but he did it because he felt idra wouldnt expect it 3 times in a row and knew it couldnt be stopped on Kulas Ravine.

What is the source for this claim? Where did Nazgul say so?


I read this somewhere to. I think it was in an interview with him that was posted on tl.net shortly after MLG Dallas. I was at Dallas and watched all three of the games and when I saw the title for this vid I thought he was going to analyze what he did wrong. Then I saw which map and realized he was just going to show the one game he defended it, because it is the one map(in the dallas pool) that this strat is not good on. I think game three would have been a better game to look at. Because from this game he makes it sound like he knows exactly how to counter blink stalkers but then the very next game he loses to it again. It would have been more educational(imho) if he explained what he did wrong to lose against it after beating it so easily in game two.



"What he did wrong" was get Kulas as his map.

Hydra would not have been out fast enough, so he went roaches.

roaches vs blink stalkers and cliffs lose, so that was that
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36389 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 15:13:08
December 03 2010 15:12 GMT
#43
On December 04 2010 00:10 Fa1nT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:02 Jedimonky wrote:
On December 03 2010 20:11 kmkkmk wrote:
On December 03 2010 07:01 Jayrod wrote:
This is hilarious. He's giving a lesson on doing a counter that doesn't even work against Nazgul's opener on almost any other map. Nazgul explained in great detail why it was stupid for him to do this build on scrap station and how blink stalkers dont work well on that map, but he did it because he felt idra wouldnt expect it 3 times in a row and knew it couldnt be stopped on Kulas Ravine.

What is the source for this claim? Where did Nazgul say so?


I read this somewhere to. I think it was in an interview with him that was posted on tl.net shortly after MLG Dallas. I was at Dallas and watched all three of the games and when I saw the title for this vid I thought he was going to analyze what he did wrong. Then I saw which map and realized he was just going to show the one game he defended it, because it is the one map(in the dallas pool) that this strat is not good on. I think game three would have been a better game to look at. Because from this game he makes it sound like he knows exactly how to counter blink stalkers but then the very next game he loses to it again. It would have been more educational(imho) if he explained what he did wrong to lose against it after beating it so easily in game two.

"What he did wrong" was get Kulas as his map.

Hydra would not have been out fast enough, so he went roaches.

roaches vs blink stalkers and cliffs lose, so that was that

More specifically, Idra should have thumbed down Kulas instead of Steppes, that was one of his biggest mistakes in the series. He wasn't forced to play the map in some random draw or something, he had the opportunity to eliminate it but didn't. I think Naz said the blink strategy doesn't work nearly as well on Steppes.
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Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
December 03 2010 15:15 GMT
#44
He said that in a Liquid Weekly
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
December 03 2010 15:16 GMT
#45
awesome.. well done again Greg!
sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
December 03 2010 15:19 GMT
#46
useless
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 19:23:34
December 03 2010 19:23 GMT
#47
On December 03 2010 06:15 Infernus wrote:
Really liked these vids. It's good to see IdrA in a role like this! I'd like to see a rep where IdrA looses and goes through what he did wrong etcetc. just to get some variation! Anyhow, I think this is a brilliant idea to bring the community CloseR and not being afraid to share tips and what not. Big props for making these vids.


Isn't it obvious? Grack doesn't do anything wrong. He only loses because the other races are op, even in ZvZ.

Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
December 03 2010 19:40 GMT
#48
You know what would be good publicity for Kingston? If IdrA says GG at the end of his pro-tips
I think esports is pretty nice.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
December 03 2010 19:47 GMT
#49
haha wow you have possibly the greatest english-speaking sc2 player in the world walking you through the nuances of his play and all most of you can do is nitpick things that mean absolutely nothing. Even though I don't play zerg I found these vods pretty cool and good for the community. Also djwheet's voice at the beginning :D
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MobiusOne
Profile Joined September 2010
United States106 Posts
December 03 2010 20:01 GMT
#50
I love the way idra analyzed this, I think he did a grw=eat job, I hope to see more of these in the future! I know Idra has gotten the reputation of an sc2 villian but think of it as something that will increase the interest in pro-gaming! :D
"Macro while you macro all day every day"
Jedimonky
Profile Joined September 2010
United States56 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-03 22:43:54
December 03 2010 22:33 GMT
#51
On December 04 2010 00:12 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 00:10 Fa1nT wrote:
On December 04 2010 00:02 Jedimonky wrote:
On December 03 2010 20:11 kmkkmk wrote:
On December 03 2010 07:01 Jayrod wrote:
This is hilarious. He's giving a lesson on doing a counter that doesn't even work against Nazgul's opener on almost any other map. Nazgul explained in great detail why it was stupid for him to do this build on scrap station and how blink stalkers dont work well on that map, but he did it because he felt idra wouldnt expect it 3 times in a row and knew it couldnt be stopped on Kulas Ravine.

What is the source for this claim? Where did Nazgul say so?


I read this somewhere to. I think it was in an interview with him that was posted on tl.net shortly after MLG Dallas. I was at Dallas and watched all three of the games and when I saw the title for this vid I thought he was going to analyze what he did wrong. Then I saw which map and realized he was just going to show the one game he defended it, because it is the one map(in the dallas pool) that this strat is not good on. I think game three would have been a better game to look at. Because from this game he makes it sound like he knows exactly how to counter blink stalkers but then the very next game he loses to it again. It would have been more educational(imho) if he explained what he did wrong to lose against it after beating it so easily in game two.

"What he did wrong" was get Kulas as his map.

Hydra would not have been out fast enough, so he went roaches.

roaches vs blink stalkers and cliffs lose, so that was that

More specifically, Idra should have thumbed down Kulas instead of Steppes, that was one of his biggest mistakes in the series. He wasn't forced to play the map in some random draw or something, he had the opportunity to eliminate it but didn't. I think Naz said the blink strategy doesn't work nearly as well on Steppes.


I completely agree. Not down voting Kulas was a big mistake. Which is something he could have talked about. Strategies are map dependent.


On December 04 2010 00:10 Fa1nT wrote:"What he did wrong" was get Kulas as his map.

Hydra would not have been out fast enough, so he went roaches.

roaches vs blink stalkers and cliffs lose, so that was that


My point was that analyzing a game about how to defeat blink stalkers on the map that his opponent even admitted was bad for blink stalkers is somewhat misleading. His build was good for countering blink stalkers because the map was scrap station not because it is the best way to deal with blink stalkers in general... As seen by the results of game 3.
Also as Hot_Bid said he didn't randomly get stuck with kulas he made the decision to not down vote it. He could talk about why in his analysis. In a tournament like MLG, which maps you down vote are very important.

For the record I respect Idra as a top level skilled player.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
December 03 2010 22:35 GMT
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EG.lectR
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States617 Posts
December 04 2010 04:00 GMT
#53
awesome!
@colindeshong
Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
December 07 2010 05:55 GMT
#54
awesome! but just some constructive feedback:

the camera management needs a bit of work. Naturally as a gamer you want the camera to be zooming all over the place to match the speed you are thinking/doing things at. but as a commentator, less moving with the edges and more point and shoot or consistent panning would make watching a much more pleasant experience.

really digging the series, keep it up idra!
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Andtwo
Profile Joined June 2009
United States126 Posts
December 07 2010 06:15 GMT
#55
I thought he was very articulate and the details such as overlord placement were useful.

However, the porno music going in the background at all times was really awkward.
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