EPTI just hope this is an idle threat by The Emperor to get Blizzards attention that they are getting a little patch-happy. Which I think is 100% accurate.
Boxer: might go random if Terran gets nerfed again. - Page 8
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
I just hope this is an idle threat by The Emperor to get Blizzards attention that they are getting a little patch-happy. Which I think is 100% accurate. | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On October 30 2010 17:08 StarcraftMan wrote: First and foremost, Boxer and Nada are two of the best BW players ever and have more insight than any other player in the GSL right now. Yes, Boxer's APM may be slower because of his age, but don't doubt his insight into SC2 as he single handedly changed the way Terran played in BW - something that no other BW player has even come close to accomplishing. No disrespect to the people in this thread that disagree with Boxer, but unless you reached the level of understanding that Boxer had for BW, what Boxer is saying about SC2 imbalance has a deeper level of understanding that we will probably never understand. Also, as Kaisr stated, Boxer took the most "useless" and "weakest" race in BW at the beginning of his era and showed the naysayers how to win with it. Nobody in the GSL has ever accomplished that, not to mention anybody in all of the TL forums. So when the "Emperor" makes a point of balance issues, I think we should pay a little more attention to what he has to say. Paying attention is one thing - but jumping the bandwagon SO FAST is so sad I can't belive it. I love BoxeR, but when people think that he has the deepest insight in the game atm they're way off. He hasnt even played the game long enough to see what has happend during the course of patches. The crying he's doing is very similar to how Fruitdealer was crying and the small changes that were made to reaper build time and bunker build time had absolutly NOTHING to do with how zergs started to just handle 5RR _BEFORE_ the range buff to roaches. BoxeR was also the person mind you that play Toss to begin with and changed race because the bloody shuttle got a speed nerf, clearly he can jump the train if he sees other potentials - and this is why I get so confused. How can people not see potential in the Terran race? T_T | ||
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malaan
365 Posts
rule of thumb should be that each time a t or p expands, a z must have another xpo to keep ahead. 1 base T is always stronger than 2 base Z until full saturation (at which point youve already lost, you shouldnt let them fully saturate.) | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On October 30 2010 17:27 Kyuki wrote: Paying attention is one thing - but jumping the bandwagon SO FAST is so sad I can't belive it. I love BoxeR, but when people think that he has the deepest insight in the game atm they're way off. He hasnt even played the game long enough to see what has happend during the course of patches. The crying he's doing is very similar to how Fruitdealer was crying and the small changes that were made to reaper build time and bunker build time had absolutly NOTHING to do with how zergs started to just handle 5RR _BEFORE_ the range buff to roaches. BoxeR was also the person mind you that play Toss to begin with and changed race because the bloody shuttle got a speed nerf, clearly he can jump the train if he sees other potentials - and this is why I get so confused. How can people not see potential in the Terran race? T_T Clearly you do not know why Boxer change his race to terran its because of the reaver ai going nuts and not being accurate as it's use to be that's what made him switch as you were saying that shuttle speed are nerf ??? you can just freaking upgrade it from a Robotics bay for god sake . What in the world are you talking about ? | ||
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On October 30 2010 17:27 Kyuki wrote: How can people not see potential in the Terran race? Good grief. Are you saying that you can see the potential of the Terran race better than Boxer? The same Boxer who saw the potential of the Terran race in BW? So if Boxer claims there are issues with the Terran race in SC2, cool your head, relax, and take some time to think about Boxer's meaning because there may be a deeper meaning to Boxer's words than you or I realize at first sight. | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On October 30 2010 17:45 StarcraftMan wrote: Good grief. Are you saying that you can see the potential of the Terran race better than Boxer? The same Boxer who saw the potential of the Terran race in BW? So if Boxer claims there are issues with the Terran race in SC2, cool your head, relax, and take some time to think about Boxer's meaning because there may be a deeper meaning to Boxer's words than you or I realize at first sight. There can also be simple QQ meaning. Why you are so sure that he said that so serious? I guess he just lost many games (as everyone else) and said this. If he has SO deep understanding of the game why he does not say specifically what's wrong? | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
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RoMarX
Argentina189 Posts
On October 30 2010 17:53 Alpina wrote: There can also be simple QQ meaning. Why you are so sure that he said that so serious? I guess he just lost many games (as everyone else) and said this. If he has SO deep understanding of the game why he does not say specifically what's wrong? im pretty sure he already give that information to david kim  | ||
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AyJay
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HuHEN
United Kingdom514 Posts
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On October 30 2010 18:15 AyJay wrote: come on boxer... QQing really? Wasn't he the one who revolutionized terran race when everyone said it was underpowered? About time you do the same in sc2 rather than complain. LOL, I agree with AyJay. The "Emperor" QQing? ROFL | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On October 30 2010 17:42 Sawamura wrote: Clearly you do not know why Boxer change his race to terran its because of the reaver ai going nuts and not being accurate as it's use to be that's what made him switch as you were saying that shuttle speed are nerf ??? you can just freaking upgrade it from a Robotics bay for god sake . What in the world are you talking about ? I dont know why I typed that... You're right ofc. Regardless he changed his race due to a balance change that didnt "fit" his style. That was then, this is now and it should be different. On October 30 2010 17:45 StarcraftMan wrote: Good grief. Are you saying that you can see the potential of the Terran race better than Boxer? The same Boxer who saw the potential of the Terran race in BW? So if Boxer claims there are issues with the Terran race in SC2, cool your head, relax, and take some time to think about Boxer's meaning because there may be a deeper meaning to Boxer's words than you or I realize at first sight. Oh god, so annoying... No I'm not saying I can see the potential better than boxer, I think he should/and sees it himself which makes me ANNOYED to death when he QQs. I'm also tired of people who can't see the bias in a Player opinion even if it's qualified. This opinion is changing all the time depending on who says what. Tester says Terran is OP (when Toss had sick badass VRs) due to their versitality and how they could stop pretty much anything so easily - people jumped the wagon. BoxeR think terran is weak - everyone jumps the wagon. Fruiddealer/IdrA says Zerg is weak - everyone screams and agrees! The changes in the patches to what people have expressed their opinions of are so damn small amd of you look back at most of the patches, alot of changes that were made was not what the higher level players were complaining about in the first place, and the obvious broken things have been pretty much fixed. Now when things are changing in the meta game constantly there will always be players that express their displeasment when they have not found a good way to deal with it yet. I'm NOT saying there could not be issues that could use tweaking, I'm sure there are - I'm just saying that it's sad to hear a top player QQ when history of metagame changes speaks for itself imho. People have always screamed imba too fast. | ||
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On October 30 2010 18:53 Kyuki wrote: Tester says Terran is OP (when Toss had sick badass VRs) due to their versitality and how they could stop pretty much anything so easily - people jumped the wagon. BoxeR think terran is weak - everyone jumps the wagon. Fruiddealer/IdrA says Zerg is weak - everyone screams and agrees! There is a difference between Boxer, Tester, Fruitdealer, and Idra. One of them was one of the greatest BW players ever, and the others were mere footnotes in BW. | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
Just because you're Not a legend from another game doesnt mean you dont know what you're talking about. Obviously there are more than 1 person with knowledge and weight behind their words, which was my point. | ||
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zomgad
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AbsentLover
Romania84 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:55 Bleak wrote: This is spot on mister. This is the reason why Zerg gets so much QQ from T and P. Agree with this 100%. Terrans will figure it all out and everything will be peachy. Listen to Gretorp on SotG, he had a really, really interesting view on this. | ||
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TSM
Great Britain584 Posts
though no disrepect for the great man boxer, T in BW T forever. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
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