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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
October 30 2010 08:26 GMT
#141
Ugh, people hoping to have Blizzard do some of the work for them.

I just hope this is an idle threat by The Emperor to get Blizzards attention that they are getting a little patch-happy. Which I think is 100% accurate.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
October 30 2010 08:27 GMT
#142
On October 30 2010 17:08 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 16:16 pieisamazing wrote:
Maybe boxer should learn to adapt like all the zergs did when their race was [is] the weakest and most mechanically difficult to succeed with.


First and foremost, Boxer and Nada are two of the best BW players ever and have more insight than any other player in the GSL right now. Yes, Boxer's APM may be slower because of his age, but don't doubt his insight into SC2 as he single handedly changed the way Terran played in BW - something that no other BW player has even come close to accomplishing.

No disrespect to the people in this thread that disagree with Boxer, but unless you reached the level of understanding that Boxer had for BW, what Boxer is saying about SC2 imbalance has a deeper level of understanding that we will probably never understand.

Also, as Kaisr stated, Boxer took the most "useless" and "weakest" race in BW at the beginning of his era and showed the naysayers how to win with it. Nobody in the GSL has ever accomplished that, not to mention anybody in all of the TL forums. So when the "Emperor" makes a point of balance issues, I think we should pay a little more attention to what he has to say.


Paying attention is one thing - but jumping the bandwagon SO FAST is so sad I can't belive it. I love BoxeR, but when people think that he has the deepest insight in the game atm they're way off. He hasnt even played the game long enough to see what has happend during the course of patches. The crying he's doing is very similar to how Fruitdealer was crying and the small changes that were made to reaper build time and bunker build time had absolutly NOTHING to do with how zergs started to just handle 5RR _BEFORE_ the range buff to roaches.

BoxeR was also the person mind you that play Toss to begin with and changed race because the bloody shuttle got a speed nerf, clearly he can jump the train if he sees other potentials - and this is why I get so confused. How can people not see potential in the Terran race?

T_T

Mada Mada Dane
malaan
Profile Joined September 2010
365 Posts
October 30 2010 08:38 GMT
#143
blue hellion expand is v strong vs zerg as long as you keep scouting and spot the spire relatively fast. Don't bother harassing with predictable, easily spottable(overlords) early-mid game drops. Instead, focus on getting your expansion up and running on par with the zerg and out macro them.

rule of thumb should be that each time a t or p expands, a z must have another xpo to keep ahead. 1 base T is always stronger than 2 base Z until full saturation (at which point youve already lost, you shouldnt let them fully saturate.)
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-30 08:43:11
October 30 2010 08:42 GMT
#144
On October 30 2010 17:27 Kyuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 17:08 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 30 2010 16:16 pieisamazing wrote:
Maybe boxer should learn to adapt like all the zergs did when their race was [is] the weakest and most mechanically difficult to succeed with.


First and foremost, Boxer and Nada are two of the best BW players ever and have more insight than any other player in the GSL right now. Yes, Boxer's APM may be slower because of his age, but don't doubt his insight into SC2 as he single handedly changed the way Terran played in BW - something that no other BW player has even come close to accomplishing.

No disrespect to the people in this thread that disagree with Boxer, but unless you reached the level of understanding that Boxer had for BW, what Boxer is saying about SC2 imbalance has a deeper level of understanding that we will probably never understand.

Also, as Kaisr stated, Boxer took the most "useless" and "weakest" race in BW at the beginning of his era and showed the naysayers how to win with it. Nobody in the GSL has ever accomplished that, not to mention anybody in all of the TL forums. So when the "Emperor" makes a point of balance issues, I think we should pay a little more attention to what he has to say.


Paying attention is one thing - but jumping the bandwagon SO FAST is so sad I can't belive it. I love BoxeR, but when people think that he has the deepest insight in the game atm they're way off. He hasnt even played the game long enough to see what has happend during the course of patches. The crying he's doing is very similar to how Fruitdealer was crying and the small changes that were made to reaper build time and bunker build time had absolutly NOTHING to do with how zergs started to just handle 5RR _BEFORE_ the range buff to roaches.

BoxeR was also the person mind you that play Toss to begin with and changed race because the bloody shuttle got a speed nerf, clearly he can jump the train if he sees other potentials - and this is why I get so confused. How can people not see potential in the Terran race?

T_T



Clearly you do not know why Boxer change his race to terran its because of the reaver ai going nuts and not being accurate as it's use to be that's what made him switch as you were saying that shuttle speed are nerf ??? you can just freaking upgrade it from a Robotics bay for god sake . What in the world are you talking about ?
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
StarcraftMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada507 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-30 08:45:23
October 30 2010 08:45 GMT
#145
On October 30 2010 17:27 Kyuki wrote:
How can people not see potential in the Terran race?


Good grief. Are you saying that you can see the potential of the Terran race better than Boxer? The same Boxer who saw the potential of the Terran race in BW?

So if Boxer claims there are issues with the Terran race in SC2, cool your head, relax, and take some time to think about Boxer's meaning because there may be a deeper meaning to Boxer's words than you or I realize at first sight.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
October 30 2010 08:53 GMT
#146
On October 30 2010 17:45 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 17:27 Kyuki wrote:
How can people not see potential in the Terran race?


Good grief. Are you saying that you can see the potential of the Terran race better than Boxer? The same Boxer who saw the potential of the Terran race in BW?

So if Boxer claims there are issues with the Terran race in SC2, cool your head, relax, and take some time to think about Boxer's meaning because there may be a deeper meaning to Boxer's words than you or I realize at first sight.


There can also be simple QQ meaning. Why you are so sure that he said that so serious? I guess he just lost many games (as everyone else) and said this. If he has SO deep understanding of the game why he does not say specifically what's wrong?
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
October 30 2010 08:57 GMT
#147
I can't think of anything scarier than BoxeR as a Random player.
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
RoMarX
Profile Joined April 2010
Argentina189 Posts
October 30 2010 09:09 GMT
#148
On October 30 2010 17:53 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 17:45 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 30 2010 17:27 Kyuki wrote:
How can people not see potential in the Terran race?


Good grief. Are you saying that you can see the potential of the Terran race better than Boxer? The same Boxer who saw the potential of the Terran race in BW?

So if Boxer claims there are issues with the Terran race in SC2, cool your head, relax, and take some time to think about Boxer's meaning because there may be a deeper meaning to Boxer's words than you or I realize at first sight.


There can also be simple QQ meaning. Why you are so sure that he said that so serious? I guess he just lost many games (as everyone else) and said this. If he has SO deep understanding of the game why he does not say specifically what's wrong?


im pretty sure he already give that information to david kim
Hellooo!!!!!!!
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
October 30 2010 09:15 GMT
#149
come on boxer... QQing really? Wasn't he the one who revolutionized terran race when everyone said it was underpowered? About time you do the same in sc2 rather than complain.
HuHEN
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom514 Posts
October 30 2010 09:49 GMT
#150
Sigh, 1 toss in the top 8, 3 in the top 16(GSL), quickly falling off in the ladder rankings, and all I hear is terrans crying, it just shows how much a couple top players can completely change the discussion. Artosis and tasteless have downplayed the poor showing of Protoss in GSL (its actually worse than zerg's in GSL 1) where they couldn't commentate a Zerg match in GSL 1 without mentioning the UPedness of zerg. Im not even saying we should all hop on a Protoss UP bandwagon, but we should at least start trying to be objective and not just make arguments from authority all the time.
StarcraftMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada507 Posts
October 30 2010 09:52 GMT
#151
On October 30 2010 18:15 AyJay wrote:
come on boxer... QQing really? Wasn't he the one who revolutionized terran race when everyone said it was underpowered? About time you do the same in sc2 rather than complain.



LOL, I agree with AyJay. The "Emperor" QQing? ROFL
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
October 30 2010 09:53 GMT
#152
On October 30 2010 17:42 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 17:27 Kyuki wrote:
On October 30 2010 17:08 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 30 2010 16:16 pieisamazing wrote:
Maybe boxer should learn to adapt like all the zergs did when their race was [is] the weakest and most mechanically difficult to succeed with.


First and foremost, Boxer and Nada are two of the best BW players ever and have more insight than any other player in the GSL right now. Yes, Boxer's APM may be slower because of his age, but don't doubt his insight into SC2 as he single handedly changed the way Terran played in BW - something that no other BW player has even come close to accomplishing.

No disrespect to the people in this thread that disagree with Boxer, but unless you reached the level of understanding that Boxer had for BW, what Boxer is saying about SC2 imbalance has a deeper level of understanding that we will probably never understand.

Also, as Kaisr stated, Boxer took the most "useless" and "weakest" race in BW at the beginning of his era and showed the naysayers how to win with it. Nobody in the GSL has ever accomplished that, not to mention anybody in all of the TL forums. So when the "Emperor" makes a point of balance issues, I think we should pay a little more attention to what he has to say.


Paying attention is one thing - but jumping the bandwagon SO FAST is so sad I can't belive it. I love BoxeR, but when people think that he has the deepest insight in the game atm they're way off. He hasnt even played the game long enough to see what has happend during the course of patches. The crying he's doing is very similar to how Fruitdealer was crying and the small changes that were made to reaper build time and bunker build time had absolutly NOTHING to do with how zergs started to just handle 5RR _BEFORE_ the range buff to roaches.

BoxeR was also the person mind you that play Toss to begin with and changed race because the bloody shuttle got a speed nerf, clearly he can jump the train if he sees other potentials - and this is why I get so confused. How can people not see potential in the Terran race?

T_T



Clearly you do not know why Boxer change his race to terran its because of the reaver ai going nuts and not being accurate as it's use to be that's what made him switch as you were saying that shuttle speed are nerf ??? you can just freaking upgrade it from a Robotics bay for god sake . What in the world are you talking about ?


I dont know why I typed that... You're right ofc. Regardless he changed his race due to a balance change that didnt "fit" his style. That was then, this is now and it should be different.

On October 30 2010 17:45 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 17:27 Kyuki wrote:
How can people not see potential in the Terran race?


Good grief. Are you saying that you can see the potential of the Terran race better than Boxer? The same Boxer who saw the potential of the Terran race in BW?

So if Boxer claims there are issues with the Terran race in SC2, cool your head, relax, and take some time to think about Boxer's meaning because there may be a deeper meaning to Boxer's words than you or I realize at first sight.


Oh god, so annoying... No I'm not saying I can see the potential better than boxer, I think he should/and sees it himself which makes me ANNOYED to death when he QQs.

I'm also tired of people who can't see the bias in a Player opinion even if it's qualified. This opinion is changing all the time depending on who says what.

Tester says Terran is OP (when Toss had sick badass VRs) due to their versitality and how they could stop pretty much anything so easily - people jumped the wagon.
BoxeR think terran is weak - everyone jumps the wagon.
Fruiddealer/IdrA says Zerg is weak - everyone screams and agrees!

The changes in the patches to what people have expressed their opinions of are so damn small amd of you look back at most of the patches, alot of changes that were made was not what the higher level players were complaining about in the first place, and the obvious broken things have been pretty much fixed. Now when things are changing in the meta game constantly there will always be players that express their displeasment when they have not found a good way to deal with it yet.

I'm NOT saying there could not be issues that could use tweaking, I'm sure there are - I'm just saying that it's sad to hear a top player QQ when history of metagame changes speaks for itself imho. People have always screamed imba too fast.
Mada Mada Dane
StarcraftMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada507 Posts
October 30 2010 10:03 GMT
#153
On October 30 2010 18:53 Kyuki wrote:
Tester says Terran is OP (when Toss had sick badass VRs) due to their versitality and how they could stop pretty much anything so easily - people jumped the wagon.
BoxeR think terran is weak - everyone jumps the wagon.
Fruiddealer/IdrA says Zerg is weak - everyone screams and agrees!


There is a difference between Boxer, Tester, Fruitdealer, and Idra. One of them was one of the greatest BW players ever, and the others were mere footnotes in BW.



Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
October 30 2010 10:05 GMT
#154
And? Regardless of how much of a upper hand in understanding and ease in transition you have when you go from BW to SC2, it's still a three month old game and is not the same.

Just because you're Not a legend from another game doesnt mean you dont know what you're talking about. Obviously there are more than 1 person with knowledge and weight behind their words, which was my point.
Mada Mada Dane
zomgad
Profile Joined October 2010
185 Posts
October 30 2010 10:44 GMT
#155
he trains and talks with intotherainbow and tester on daily basis, he obviously knows better about balance than bunch of people in this topic
AbsentLover
Profile Joined July 2009
Romania84 Posts
October 30 2010 10:46 GMT
#156
Pretty sure terran will get a slight buff next patch
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
October 30 2010 10:50 GMT
#157
On October 30 2010 16:55 Bleak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 14:41 Insanious wrote:
I think that the big problem was that Zerg was UP compared to the other races.

This meant that the Z players had to play harder in order to compete vs T and P. So, they explored more parts of their races, and Z learned to deflect early harass with relative success.

Then came the latest patch. What happens? Now Z who has been working so hard to learn to survive vs early game anything has a little less to worry about. They have to cover less based, but their "defend with as little resource loss" skills have carried over. Now Z has learned the best ways to defend vs early game pressure but now with slower early game pressure (zealot time nerf, supply before rax, etc...) Z can now has a more consistent macro + defense pattern than before (where they had to worry about stupidly fast 2 gates and reaper rushes).

Now T and P have to adapt to not being able to bust in so early. Z changed their tactics very little... went from prepare for cheese -> scouted no cheese plays. T and P have to change the way they play all together as parts of their games were removed.

Z has been practicing this style of play since the game came out... T and P are just evolving. Now that Z, T, and P are relatively equal (T needs a small late game buff) Z has their strat ironed out and T and P are still trying to figure stuff out.

In time, T and P will learn a more optimal way of play, just currently we haven't seen is as there's been too little time.

I think Z is just a little more refined and evolved play as Z had to play that way due to being UP, T and P are catching up but really wont take long for them to figure out the new way to play, the new timings, and everything will be A OK once again.


This is spot on mister. This is the reason why Zerg gets so much QQ from T and P.


Agree with this 100%. Terrans will figure it all out and everything will be peachy.

Listen to Gretorp on SotG, he had a really, really interesting view on this.
TSM
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Great Britain584 Posts
October 30 2010 10:56 GMT
#158
surley rthis proves that people played terran becase it was imba?

though no disrepect for the great man boxer, T in BW T forever.
The person to smile when everything goes wrong has found someone to blame it on - arthur bloch **** tl:dr *user was banned for this post*
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
October 30 2010 11:21 GMT
#159
I'd love to see BoxeR play Protoss, we need some more heroes to cheer for!
TheDna
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-30 11:37:32
October 30 2010 11:36 GMT
#160
I respect Boxer. But I think this whine is uncalled for, not necessary and not good for his image either.
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