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pieisamazing
United States1234 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:12 JackDino wrote: It has nothing to do with opinions, you don't question the emperor or talk down on him. Aaaand, this is exactly what he's talking about. Maybe boxer should learn to adapt like all the zergs did when their race was [is] the weakest and most mechanically difficult to succeed with. | ||
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Carthage
105 Posts
On October 30 2010 15:55 HomicidaL wrote: Imo...Terran need to use more units other then just the bio ball. Ravens need to be used much more often...I really think once raven become popular they will be considered OP...the unit is amazing Against zerg, a raven costs as much gas as a thor and is only good against mutalisks(PDD). Since thors are already used to counter mutalisks it's a hard sell. You can't really use them to harass because fast zerg air will kill them, and hunter seeker has such short range, high cost, and low damage it's not useful at all. Against protoss, they would only be able to come out late game, at which point they will be fedbacked and have all your 200 gas units made completely useless :/ I think the real key to terran victory is the planetary fortress. I've never seen a battle at a fortress that terran didn't win handily. Somehow that has to be used offensively. | ||
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Blyadischa
419 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:16 pieisamazing wrote: Aaaand, this is exactly what he's talking about. Maybe boxer should learn to adapt like all the zergs did when their race was [is] the weakest and most mechanically difficult to succeed with. They didn't, they held on long enough until races got re"balanced" | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
When he plays NaDa I expect GOMtv to explode. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:16 pieisamazing wrote: Aaaand, this is exactly what he's talking about. Maybe boxer should learn to adapt like all the zergs did when their race was [is] the weakest and most mechanically difficult to succeed with. The difference is in BW, boxer played terran even though it was considered "the weakest race" at the time by everyone cuz he saw something in them. I'm protoss and never thought terran was weak, but if boxer says they are to the point that he'll consider switching, I believe him. | ||
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ramen-
90 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:18 Inori wrote: As much as I like Boxers play, seeing so much whining about balance and, rofl, T balance from him makes me a sad sad panda. If anything, I'd expect him to make T seem stronger than ever, not this. Disappointed. Clearly, he can just change the entire paradigm of the game overnight. Unless you have some solid evidence and analysis to show he's wrong, I'm going to take the progamer's knowledge over yours any day. | ||
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Boundless
Canada588 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:35 n0xi3 wrote: TvZ is rough.. but i kind of hope he sticks with Terran. He is a fantastic player and would love to see him keep to his guns. When he plays NaDa I expect GOMtv to explode. This is true. I'm going to attempt to connect to the stream, but I already know that I'm going to see "Simultaneous connection limit reached". | ||
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Rikstah
Australia126 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:40 ramen- wrote: Clearly, he can just change the entire paradigm of the game overnight. Unless you have some solid evidence and analysis to show he's wrong, I'm going to take the progamer's knowledge over yours any day. This. Everyone seems to be scoffing at Nada and Boxer's small complaints about Terran. They each have 10+ years of pro gaming experience, maybe give them the benefit of the doubt here, maybe they have some insight in the way the games play out that you guys can't see. I wouldn't dismiss their opinions so quickly. Especially considering how Boxer made Loner look like a chump. Just consider that maybe he knows more about starcraft than you do, I mean, hes the Emperor. | ||
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Endorsed
Netherlands1221 Posts
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On October 30 2010 14:41 Insanious wrote: I think that the big problem was that Zerg was UP compared to the other races. This meant that the Z players had to play harder in order to compete vs T and P. So, they explored more parts of their races, and Z learned to deflect early harass with relative success. Then came the latest patch. What happens? Now Z who has been working so hard to learn to survive vs early game anything has a little less to worry about. They have to cover less based, but their "defend with as little resource loss" skills have carried over. Now Z has learned the best ways to defend vs early game pressure but now with slower early game pressure (zealot time nerf, supply before rax, etc...) Z can now has a more consistent macro + defense pattern than before (where they had to worry about stupidly fast 2 gates and reaper rushes). Now T and P have to adapt to not being able to bust in so early. Z changed their tactics very little... went from prepare for cheese -> scouted no cheese plays. T and P have to change the way they play all together as parts of their games were removed. Z has been practicing this style of play since the game came out... T and P are just evolving. Now that Z, T, and P are relatively equal (T needs a small late game buff) Z has their strat ironed out and T and P are still trying to figure stuff out. In time, T and P will learn a more optimal way of play, just currently we haven't seen is as there's been too little time. I think Z is just a little more refined and evolved play as Z had to play that way due to being UP, T and P are catching up but really wont take long for them to figure out the new way to play, the new timings, and everything will be A OK once again. This is spot on mister. This is the reason why Zerg gets so much QQ from T and P. | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
I _HATE_ this imba discussion. People who come with claims and indictions on wordplay from pros and commentators and "your own experiece" - seriously fuck off! You have no clue what's happening at the highest level and I'm inclined to say that everyday there are new ways of playing the game that changes the meta game even without the balance changes. The Terran arsenal is far from weak, and the lategame is far from weak. People just need to understand and learn how to transition better when there is a need for it. Terran has the cheapest and fastest upgrades to get in the game, they can pretty much throw out any type of unit (diversity) without having major transition issues. The only problem as I see it that people just go MMM and then whine about how hard it is to transition out of - and that's NOT the bloody races fault. I really just hope BoxeR can shut the fuck up (I love him!) and rock the GSL like he has without the crying! Makes him look so much better. Don't kill your own image man! (If there are issues, then they will eventually be solved). | ||
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On October 30 2010 16:16 pieisamazing wrote: Maybe boxer should learn to adapt like all the zergs did when their race was [is] the weakest and most mechanically difficult to succeed with. First and foremost, Boxer and Nada are two of the best BW players ever and have more insight than any other player in the GSL right now. Yes, Boxer's APM may be slower because of his age, but don't doubt his insight into SC2 as he single handedly changed the way Terran played in BW - something that no other BW player has even come close to accomplishing. No disrespect to the people in this thread that disagree with Boxer, but unless you reached the level of understanding that Boxer had for BW, what Boxer is saying about SC2 imbalance has a deeper level of understanding that we will probably never understand. Also, as Kaisr stated, Boxer took the most "useless" and "weakest" race in BW at the beginning of his era and showed the naysayers how to win with it. Nobody in the GSL has ever accomplished that, not to mention anybody in all of the TL forums. So when the "Emperor" makes a point of balance issues, I think we should pay a little more attention to what he has to say. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On October 30 2010 17:01 DooMDash wrote: Also, Boxer is playing WITHOUT a team. Pretty impressive ( hopetorture as well too right? ). Think Hopetorture is on ST, he's on a team atleast. | ||
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