From: "It will be revealed tomorrow in BlizzCon, that there will be a new "Grand Master League", a step above the Diamond League. It's going to be the league for the pros, where only top 2% of Diamond League, or top 100 overall, or something like that will be playing at." source
I'm curious to know what people think about this, do you think it will have a positive effect on the current system, do you think it'll be significant? It seems like this is the kind of thing a lot of you kids have been wanting to see recently.
EDIT: According to the blizzcon livestream theres 2 new leagues coming, "Master League" top 5% diamond, "Grand Master League" top 200
for a second there i thought this meant good manner instead of grand master, but this is awsome nonetheless a title of grand master is very fitting to very high level players. ^^
If it works like the other leagues work now, nothing's going to change gameplay wise. So frankly, I couldn't care less. Suppose the "I'm a X rated diamond player, so I'm right" threads/posts will stop popping up.
Found it more interesting that not even Blizzard employees can play on the Korean servers. Oh and the name is hilarious.
"What league are you in? I just reached platinum myself." "I'm in diamond"
vs
"What league are you in? I just reached plat.. been gold for too long" "I'm in GRAND MASTER LEAGUE"
It's like a Korean decided it, similar to IntoTheRainbows new name : |
Hmm, I don't think this league would have any meaning other than status/e-peen... the ladder system would fall apart if only players in the GM league were matched against each other -there's just not enough people. There probably will be a lot of Diamond vs. GM League matches in ladder.
Didn't David Kim say in the article top200 each region? So basically what we see each week but then they'll be put in a ladder that means heavy promotions/demotions each week since the top200 change quite much at the 200 ranks.
I could be wrong though but that's how I interpreted the interview.
Grand Master is a term that comes from Chess. In Chess an ELO ranking of around 2200 qualified you as a Master. The tip top players that win prestigious tournaments and against other top players with absurd ELOs of 2700+ are listed as Grand Masters.
High diamonds will be playing against them i believe just as high plat get to play against diamonds. Wont change much except status like omfg this guy is crazy
Will be interested to see how this pans out. I have a feeling if they promote the ladder to much and it gets "Prestigious" if the ugly side will start coming out as it did in wow and a bit in bw. Hopefully blizz leaves this as the top end and doesn't try to push the ladder to hard.
More leagues is better in my opinion. If there's 2 million people in 5 different leagues, it's mad hard to get a measure of skill. But if there's 2 million people in 20 leagues, everyone gets divided around and it gets easier to see where you belong.
Grand Master League is such a dumb name. I preferred 'pro league' myself. Players already naturally refer to it that way now when they say, "I am in diamond, but I am nowhere near pro level."
I would hope the new league to be a more traditional ladder. No bonus pool please.
I'm not so sure I like the idea of 'invitation only'. That would make it more like an 'elite club' than anything. What will likely happen is that Blizzard will promote only willing players that can be easily exploited for E-sports revenue. And by exploit, I mean it in the full sense of the word. I can see Blizzard saying, "Relax kid. Don't go to college. Keep working your pizza delivery job. Just keep playing Starcraft 2 really well so we can keep getting revenue off your games (revenue you won't see except for a pinch because young kids are financially stupid and can be manipulated)." That is my fear of what will happen.
On October 22 2010 16:31 Kachna wrote: Nooo dont call it rainbow league, that sounds ridiculous. Call it .. ehm .. Crystal league !!!
Erw? The OP said it's most likely going to be called grandmaster league. Even with that, rainbow league is still the best name, hands down. Very Mario-Kart
It will be revealed tomorrow in BlizzCon, that there will be a new "Grand Master League", a step above the Diamond League. It's going to be the league for the pros, where only top 2% of Diamond League, or top 100 overall, or something like that will be playing at.
Top 100 overall or something like that and it'll be each region unless they do cross realm play for this GM League. So might as well do the top200 rankins overall of each region which we've been seeing each week.
This will put the truly high skilled players apart from the mid/low diamonds. Gotta ladder!!! :D
It should be called the "Go outside" league. I am reminded of finally beating Devil May Cry on Dante Must Die mode and being treated to a message by the game creator telling me I need to get out more.
On October 22 2010 16:33 Gonozal wrote: to be honest Rainbow league sounds a bit gay to me.. (this is NOT offensive.. i just think about the gayflag o.o)
Exactly. I have nothing against gays but i dont want to be in "gay league" when im straight. Its like if gays should be in straight league.
On October 22 2010 16:34 Vz0 wrote: im bronze noob, im silver lol, im gold stfu lolwut? platinum, sup u guys r funi, diamond here HEY GUYS, IM IN THE GRAND MASTER LEAGUE
......
And yet, none of them are in the Rainbow League. Noobs. I bet they don't even know about the Legend of Zelda raves. The fairies serve as glowsticks.
On October 22 2010 16:33 Gonozal wrote: to be honest Rainbow league sounds a bit gay to me.. (this is NOT offensive.. i just think about the gayflag o.o)
Exactly. I have nothing against gays but i dont want to be in "gay league" when im straight. Its like if gays should be in straight league.
I'm not gay either, but i would find that incredibly entertaining (yeah i love irony and sarcasm).
now just slap an "emerald" league in between diamond and the GM league for those 1400-1800 folk who play decent games but lack the certain necessities to make it into the GM league, and all will be right
My question is... What will the picture for Grand Master League be? Will it be a old man's face with a long white beard? Cause that would be hilarious.
Yes! The most important thing about the league is obviously the name! The fact that this is sweet news is totally irrelevant.
In all seriousness, I like the "Grand Master" thing. What I don't like is the suggestion of "Pro League" which is, to me, misleading. So either Grand Master (sounds sweet) or another type of mineral (Kryptonite league? Anyone? :D)
On October 22 2010 16:47 MadNote wrote: My question is... What will the picture for Grand Master League be? Will it be a old man's face with a long white beard? Cause that would be hilarious.
On October 22 2010 16:58 adi1133 wrote: "2% of Diamond League, or top 100 overall" , if its not 2% diamond league then its out of reach for most of us here.
On October 22 2010 16:26 iEchoic wrote: Damnit, seriously? I was at 75th and I just said "fuck ladder" and played zerg and planetary fortress rushed myself off the entire top 200.
On October 22 2010 17:02 Dfgj wrote: Pretty soon GM league will fill up and Blizzard will roll out Ultimate Nuclear Space Dragon League or something.
Biggest fail with the diamond crap was that they just renamed the divisions, some people not feeling like copper was a good enough name for the lowest league apparently.
I like the idea but 100 200 even 500 players is too small. I pop in and out of top 200 NA really often, it'll be weird if I get promoted and demoted on a weekly basis. What happens to your points in a system like that?
I think top 1000 is the smallest it should realistically be.
On October 22 2010 17:10 erulabs wrote: I like the idea but 100 200 even 500 players is too small. I pop in and out of top 200 NA really often, it'll be weird if I get promoted and demoted on a weekly basis. What happens to your points in a system like that?
I think top 1000 is the smallest it should realistically be.
500 Is too much maybe even 200. It would completely missed point with more then 200.
A "GM LEAGUE" would be the same shitfest that Diamond is, anyone can get there by cheesing their way to the desired rank.
If they are going to create another league, then only have the top 50-100 in the server on it using players hidden rating. Either that or just invite top players, those that actually play in tournaments and get far into them. (A invite only, league.)
On October 22 2010 17:12 KinosJourney2 wrote: A "GM LEAGUE" would be the same shitfest that Diamond is, anyone can get there by cheesing their way to the desired rank.
If they are going to create another league, then only have the top 50-100 in the server on it using players hidden rating. Either that or just invite top players, those that actually play in tournaments and get far into them. (A invite only, league.)
If you read it it sounds like only 2% of diamond players will be in there. That is according to some posts only 850 players will be in it from each region.
Uh well arent most of the divisions stacked with good players and well known names anyway (especially the early ones)? Not much of a change, isn't it? If you want to be professional - go for ladder tournaments or - most important - goddamn LAN. This GM league is just the facebook integration of the division system-
Apparently there are 117,866 players in diamond in NA, 2% of that would represent ~2300 odd people... If they want this Grand master league to be someone pros would actully play.. id have to say top 1% of ladder included... max
On October 22 2010 16:26 iEchoic wrote: Damnit, seriously? I was at 75th and I just said "fuck ladder" and played zerg and planetary fortress rushed myself off the entire top 200.
Well that blows.
its ok just keep 3 rax marine all innning every game, you'll "earn" your spot in the league eventually
Hm, thats gonna be a tough call cause if u put like the real top players in u might get the scenario where people search for games for a very long time cause of not enough players actually playing but if u put a lot of people in the top players might not really wanna play cause they dont get quality games going - probably only can be prevented by giving out prizemoney for winning etc.
On October 22 2010 17:22 lim1017 wrote: Top 2% is to much... im ~1700-1800 points and
from SC2 ranks im currently
#597 (1.35% of 44,313, 99th percentile)
Well within the top 2 %
Apparently there are 117,866 players in diamond in NA, 2% of that would represent ~2300 odd people... If they want this Grand master league to be someone pros would actully play.. id have to say top 1% of ladder included... max
Am I reading the article wrong? David Kim clearly says top 2% of diamond, not 2% of North America.
On October 22 2010 17:22 lim1017 wrote: Top 2% is to much... im ~1700-1800 points and
from SC2 ranks im currently
#597 (1.35% of 44,313, 99th percentile)
Well within the top 2 %
Apparently there are 117,866 players in diamond in NA, 2% of that would represent ~2300 odd people... If they want this Grand master league to be someone pros would actully play.. id have to say top 1% of ladder included... max
On October 22 2010 17:22 lim1017 wrote: Top 2% is to much... im ~1700-1800 points and
from SC2 ranks im currently
#597 (1.35% of 44,313, 99th percentile)
Well within the top 2 %
Apparently there are 117,866 players in diamond in NA, 2% of that would represent ~2300 odd people... If they want this Grand master league to be someone pros would actully play.. id have to say top 1% of ladder included... max
I think it will be great tho, but "Grand Master League" they should of taken something better like "Heavens League" <- lol or "Rainbow League" like someone already said. I think its a good idea with the top 100-200 or something. >_<
Though its probably nothing more than just a separate division. You cannot have a ladder with just 100 players.
Also while this is indeed a good idea what we all really want is GLOBAL QUALIFIERS FOR GSL AND A GLOBAL TOURNAMENT.
Why should koreans have all the fun ? Why can't we have an American Qualifier and a European Qualifier for GSL ? I mean, just 2 spots for each continent would suffice.
I like this alot, even tho I am miles and miles from it myself.
And I really hopes it has a "fixed" number of players, like 100 or 200 and they dont just create more divisions all the time like with diamond. One in one out is a great system for a top league. And yeah no bonus pool and a "proper" ranking system.
Does it really matter if there's a new league or not? From watching streams, the matchmaking system seems to often put top players against each other anyway, assuming they're both searching at the same time.
It's a very good idea for everyone that makes it to that league but for me or the majority of players, it won't help us figure out our overall rank so i'm indifferent.
On October 22 2010 17:52 imyzhang wrote: crystal/rainbow league sounds kinda gay imo... how bout the 'destroyer league'?
"Hi, i'm a 1900 diamond, how bout u?" "I'm a destroyer" "oh... sweet jesus..."
Dude, are you 10?
I think this is an awesome idea! Gives Nony something to conquer, because we know he can.
On October 22 2010 18:20 decemberTV wrote: top 100 is good ^^; I'm #83 :D
Though its probably nothing more than just a separate division. You cannot have a ladder with just 100 players.
Also while this is indeed a good idea what we all really want is GLOBAL QUALIFIERS FOR GSL AND A GLOBAL TOURNAMENT.
Why should koreans have all the fun ? Why can't we have an American Qualifier and a European Qualifier for GSL ? I mean, just 2 spots for each continent would suffice.
They're doing that next year apparently, top 200 of each region invited into a tourney, then the top 4 from that tourney go into a big tourney
Seriously why did they change the name from pro league to "GRAND MASTER LEAGUE"? Maybe they are planning on doing an sc2 proleague in korea and don´t want people to confuse the names. Otherwhise I can´t find an excuse for that awful name.
There should be a semi-pro league above diamond, and then the grand master thing. That would stop diamond from being like a huge place where the variance in skill is so big. Semi-pro would be amazing and can cause the ladder to be more serious I guess much like Iccup.
Sounds nice, but would be much bether if they would have 2 new leagues instead of one ; GRAND MASTER LEAGUE (2 % of diamond players, as he said) and an extra MASTER LEAGUE ( 10% of diamond players), sorta like in chess.
I fail to see how this is that important. I mean games were made cross league before, and they will be made cross league after that right? So players will still meet exactly the same players as before. So it seems to be just another tag, basically just as important as achievements. Or am I missing something here?
Diamond league comprises of the top ~5-6% of players in the world. The top 2% of that (the top .12% in the world) comes out to around the top ~1,000 players, not the top 100 O_o
/rant Well im not sure if adding leagues wil change much. What if a new guy wants to go pro but aint so good, wouldnt leagues just be demotivational?
wasnt the level system for wc3 better? less stuff to worry about? well never liked the SC2 menus, interface, matchmaking, custom games or ranking system. So I don't care about it - only like to play the game for the actual gameplay, not all the random gimmicks that just well, suck.
well i love SC2 and the gameplay but almost everything else about the game isn't that great. Custom hosting in wc3/BW was 1000X better, we can all say the same about the menus and lan support.
Not trying to bash the game but cmon, is moar leagues really going to do anything? /rant off
On October 22 2010 16:47 MadNote wrote: My question is... What will the picture for Grand Master League be? Will it be a old man's face with a long white beard? Cause that would be hilarious.
Old man's face with a long white beard? YOU MEAN THE DUMBLEDORE LEAGUE!?
I propose that alongside this 'dumbledore league' that there must be a 'grack league' directly below it!
I like "Grand Master" =D "Grand Master League" sounds stupid of course but saying "I'm a Grand Master at SC2" is pretty sweet. Plus it reminds me of Grand Master chess players, but of course those people are on a totally different caliber of awesome.
i would rather like to see a more visible and logical rating before more leagues are created especially the mmr and the differences between new and old leagues are pretty strange and foggy
On October 22 2010 20:18 vol_ wrote: One of my motivations to climb the ladder is so that I have a good chance at playing with the pros, with this league that seems so much further off
It's not going to change much. YOu need to be top diamond to play with the pros anyway. The only thing this will change is shift the top 1-10 or so diamond up a league. You can still get paired with people from a different league.
Any plans on multiple diamond leagues? Diamond league tier 1 diamond, tier 2 diamond etc. Low diamond players and mid diamond players are quite far apart in terms of skills. Plus more leagues means more encouragement for players to climb the ladder.
Tbh I don't think any sc announcement I've heard for years is going to affect me, and most people less. I guess it's good for the pro players... don't hugely care what league they're in though.
Only different to the majority is to spawn a bunch of qqing and whining and complaining.
Please do something useful with your time Blizzard.
On October 22 2010 17:51 Boblion wrote: I really hope they will remove the bonus pool for this league and use a real ELO system.
Well, the benefit of the bonus pool is that it discourages rushing to 2500 or whatever and then not playing until the season ends.
You can't rush with an ELO system.
Uh, yes you can. Play enough games to get to 2500 the first week, don't ever play again until it resets.
That would only be possible if your opponents had same amount of point because winning against a guy that has much less points wouldnt give you anything. So no, you can't. Besides, if one can make 2500 ELO he deserves it so i don't have anything against him not playing much afterwards.
On October 22 2010 16:08 HollowLord wrote: It's a cover for the rainbow league, highest of all leagues.
Oh, how I wish this was the case. Regardless of how stupid rainbow league sounds, it certainly sounds less stupid than Grand Master, haha. It's good that they're doing it, but I'd go with another name.
I was personally hoping for 2 more leagues. A rainbow league and then the ultimate double rainbow league for true gosus. And then after that maybe a bonjwa league, which 0 percent of people are in just to remind people there are no bonjwas.
On October 22 2010 17:31 {ToT}ColmA wrote: Hm, thats gonna be a tough call cause if u put like the real top players in u might get the scenario where people search for games for a very long time cause of not enough players actually playing but if u put a lot of people in the top players might not really wanna play cause they dont get quality games going - probably only can be prevented by giving out prizemoney for winning etc.
I seem to not get your point at all
currently it's like basicly everybody who has a basic concept of how to play the game ends up in diamond...and the very best ppl get matched up against ppl of similar skill, if noone's available they'll play against slightly worse
I think ppl of the "grandmaster-league" (what a stupid name, cmon now) would still be able to play against all the other diamond players....with participation being invite only and not automatised or sth like that, dunno; my point is, I guess it's just another "league" and nothing that will change the way ppl are matched against each other
I think it's stupid. The only thing it does is give Diamond players a confidence boost. The matchmaking system matches similarly skilled players already.
Since top 2% is a fickle number, so I'm guessing they will do top 200 of ladder for each region, as they have been displaying the rankings.
AND
There will be 12 tournaments throughout 2011, and there will be 4 types of tournaments.
1. GSL (Ran in January, March, April, July and September) - Main League. 32 Code S players tournament and 64 Code A players tournament. 2. World Championship (Ran in June and October) - 4 representative from each region in a 16 man tournament. 3. Ladder Tournament (Ran in February, May, August and November) - Tournament to decide best of Battle.Net ladder. Top 200 from each region are invited to participate in a preliminary for a 16 man double elimination tournament. 4. Blizzard Cup (Ran in December) - Top 8 (of GSL ranking I'm guessing?) will be invited to decide the best player of the year in a Bo5 Playoff format tournament.
Give it whatever name you want, it'll work as long as you don't delete bronze so it starts off at silver like they did with delete copper add diamond thing
Wasn't there going to be something similar called the "Proleague"? That sounds more badass than "Grand Master League", which reminds me too much of chess.
Pro League would be absurd and missleading as people isnide it may not be "pro" like "professionnal", ie : I play SC2 for a living. If a Pro League would ever be existing I think it should only be opened to teams identified as real pro teams, so basically an "on invite basis" league.
i wonder what kind of difference it will make other than bragging rights. if it's only the top 100 of the current diamond league, they'll still be matched up a lot against mid to high diamond opponents, just like before.
i guess it will just be an excuse for the top 100 to call people "diamond scrubs" when they lose to them.
On October 23 2010 00:05 universalwill wrote: i wonder what kind of difference it will make other than bragging rights. if it's only the top 100 of the current diamond league, they'll still be matched up a lot against mid to high diamond opponents, just like before.
i guess it will just be an excuse for the top 100 to call people "diamond scrubs" when they lose to them.
I doubt its the top 100, he said to 2%, which is much more then 100, but then the next comment was or top 100 overall. So Im kinda confused my self. And you are right the pool will need to be much larger then 100 people if they actually want to match Grandmaster vs Grandmaster.
On October 23 2010 00:01 Frem wrote: Pro League would be absurd and missleading as people isnide it may not be "pro" like "professionnal", ie : I play SC2 for a living. If a Pro League would ever be existing I think it should only be opened to teams identified as real pro teams, so basically an "on invite basis" league.
blizz should've saved "diamond" for this and stayed with the copper/bronze/silver/gold/plat concept - haha that's what we get for blizz trying to please newbs...
On October 23 2010 00:05 universalwill wrote: i wonder what kind of difference it will make other than bragging rights. if it's only the top 100 of the current diamond league, they'll still be matched up a lot against mid to high diamond opponents, just like before.
i guess it will just be an excuse for the top 100 to call people "diamond scrubs" when they lose to them.
Since "Pro League" is more associated with Brood War, I think "Grand Master League" sounds spot on!
There might have been issues with blizzard calling it Pro League in Korea, so they've settled for this new name. I don't see what the fuss is about, I'm just happy there is another league on top of diamond which will have more meaning when you attain it.
I'm really interested to see the mechanics of players moving in and out of this league, but knowing blizz it will prob end up being something like "players switch in and out every 3 months or so"
Who knows though, maybe they would go by that top 200 league thing they post every week. Also Pro League > Grand Master league.
I think SC2 should turn into Dragonball, where after every season, they introduce a higher league that's uber good and noone can get into unless you're amazing. Then at the end of the season, it turns out that league is actually really crap and everyone in it is a scrub, so the next season they'll introduce an EVEN higher league that's even better than this previous awesome league and the cycle will repeat itself. Huk is Goku, called it
If it's going to be two leagues above diamond, I vote Rainbow Road League and Star Power League. When I heard all the Rainbow suggestions, I thought of Mario Kart, but it seems a lot of people think of homosexuals, so to distinguish between Mario Kart league and Gay League, I named it Rainbow Road League instead of Rainbow League. Though the Pearl League idea mentioned previously would be awesome too. But then again, what would the league higher than Pearl be? White League? lol (can't have the White League being above the Black League, that would be straight up racist!)
On October 22 2010 16:05 xZiGGY wrote: From: "It will be revealed tomorrow in BlizzCon, that there will be a new "Grand Master League", a step above the Diamond League. It's going to be the league for the pros, where only top 2% of Diamond League, or top 100 overall, or something like that will be playing at." source
I'm curious to know what people think about this, do you think it will have a positive effect on the current system, do you think it'll be significant? It seems like this is the kind of thing a lot of you kids have been wanting to see recently.
how do they think it's being revealed in Blizzcon if it's already revealed lol
On October 22 2010 16:11 blabber wrote: I really hope it's top 200 instead of top 100, haha
Agreed. This whole thing is very interesting, but i do think its going to be harder for people to attempt to get to the highest level of play without being able to play against those players.
I hope its top 2% of diamond not top 100 or 200 because it wouldn't get much use, if everyone participating in the ladder were the people competing in major tournaments. The whole thought of ladder was to play against good people and to practice for tournaments, but if everyone you're playing against knows exactly how you play because theres only a few people in your rank, then i could see most pro's never shedding an hour of play time in there :[
I think this league will have bigger implications for top amateurs than for pros. The reason being that pros probably want to practice in-house and keep their gaming more private in order to protect their builds and strategies for tournaments like the GSL.
On October 23 2010 01:51 vesicular wrote: The name comes from chess, if it wasn't obvious to everyone.
Yeah, it kinda makes sense. I mean, chess is the father of all strategy games, and the top percentile of chess players are called Grandmasters. So why not give that title to the very top of Starcraft 2? I kinda like it.
I just worried that many of the real Pro's are not taking the ladder too seriously as many of them do custom games. There should be some kind of incentive in place for being a "GrandMasters", other than just the title.
I feel like this is just going to add another level of elitism. I'm all for an advanced league for amateurs to get the opportunity to go pro, but already people's opinions don't mean anything unless they're an 1800+ Diamond. Now nothing will matter unless you're a grand master? Then in another 4 months when everyone has to be a 3000+ GM to speak in strategy threads, they'll introduce another league?
I know there isn't really a way around this problem happening, but it's frustrating all the same. But I definitely think the top amateurs from the ladder should be recognized and be given chances at bigger tournaments and the like.
On October 23 2010 01:59 Escape wrote: I think it's a good name and good idea.
I just worried that many of the real Pro's are not taking the ladder too seriously as many of them do custom games. There should be some kind of incentive in place for being a "GrandMasters", other than just the title.
Well the top GrandMasters are prob going to be who gets invited to the various blizzard tourneys, I think thats pretty good motivation.
what's the point? Top top diamond players are basically only playing amongst themselves anyways. Just watch a 2000+ point players streaming and they only hit other top players.
I hope it won't just be the top 200. There's still a significant skill difference between upper and lower diamond players. If they take all those players and put them into the new league, and leave the lower diamond players with themselves,I think the league skill levels would be much more balanced.
Grand Master? That sounds like Mortal Kombat name, is it suitable? So from metals we moved to Carbon from carbon to Ninja. Top relevance Blizzard. Your logic rox my dirty sox. Just call it 'Pro League' problem solved. It's not like Diamond means pro..
On October 22 2010 16:31 Macavity wrote: Grand Master League is such a dumb name. I preferred 'pro league' myself. Players already naturally refer to it that way now when they say, "I am in diamond, but I am nowhere near pro level."
I would hope the new league to be a more traditional ladder. No bonus pool please.
I'm not so sure I like the idea of 'invitation only'. That would make it more like an 'elite club' than anything. What will likely happen is that Blizzard will promote only willing players that can be easily exploited for E-sports revenue. And by exploit, I mean it in the full sense of the word. I can see Blizzard saying, "Relax kid. Don't go to college. Keep working your pizza delivery job. Just keep playing Starcraft 2 really well so we can keep getting revenue off your games (revenue you won't see except for a pinch because young kids are financially stupid and can be manipulated)." That is my fear of what will happen.
Pizza guys make a lot of money. Dave Ramsey approves
I think this is a good idea for the top 100 or 200 but diamond should still be split into two different leagues. There is a gigantic range of skill in diamond, far more than the other leagues. Then again I don't care that much about my league as long as I'm getting matched up with good players. Of course grand master gives us all something to shoot for that might actually mean something unlike rank 1 diamond. I'd love to see strategy guides claiming to get you into gm league...
I just really hope they don't make it similar to what they had in place in war3. Search times are bad already at random hours considering how popular the game is, so Ladders looks downhill. Hopefully you'll still be able to match others despite being in the league, else this is a terrible and bad idea.
On October 23 2010 04:00 Agh wrote: I just really hope they don't make it similar to what they had in place in war3. Search times are bad already at random hours considering how popular the game is, so Ladders looks downhill. Hopefully you'll still be able to match others despite being in the league, else this is a terrible and bad idea.
You aren't always matched against someone in your own league.
This is still good if they make grand masters only play other grand masters then the league will be worth while and if anything else it knocks all the ppl that show off there 300 diamond status to there friends down a notch
it would be extremely awesome if they had a private server which allowed cross realm play in the GM leagues, Top 200 from each region playing against each other?
Theres no way theres enough skilled players to fill a league at the level where most of the MLG/IEM players are playing at.
if a league was composed of the top 100/200 at any one time there would be like 25/50 players on.. and how many of them would be searching for a match?
make it top 500/1000 and your going to end up with a whole bunch of jobbers... keep in mind ~1800 points gets you into the top 500 in NA...
i donno if i love this or if i hate this. i feel that nerd ego drive in me wanting to play some sc2 again even though ive been enjoying my freedom from my computer for the past month.
they should just call it "Pro League"...what r all these fuss about gay ass names popping up...-_-; keep it simple and straight to the point.. main thing we should be interested in about is the size of this league and will these guys be matched against each other or will it work same as right now where top plat get matched against diamond and etc...
Sounds like there preparing for the weekly high level tournaments blizzards been promising for all this while. If your in the GM league, then you can play in the multi region tournament, easy enough.
On October 23 2010 05:35 The6357 wrote: they should just call it "Pro League"...what r all these fuss about gay ass names popping up...-_-
I think that would cause some confusion with Proleague, no?
Grand Master League sounds badass though. I just wanna know what emblem they'll use for it lol.
There isnt a proleague for sc2, and i doubt most sc2 players even know what Proleague is, also the icon will probably be a picture of incontrol of course
On October 23 2010 05:45 leeznon wrote: Love it, but it should be more than 100 players. (maybe 200-500)
It should be the 100, last thing TL needs is a bunch of pompous jackasses saying they are in GM league and jumping up on their high horse
On October 23 2010 05:45 leeznon wrote: Love it, but it should be more than 100 players. (maybe 200-500)
Why? There are enough bad players in the top 100 who have 1 build per matchup. 100 is the right amount to keep pro players with the incentive to actually ladder, and keep the hopefuls ready to fight.
Its not going to affect 95% of SC2 players they should have one with like top 30% thats like for people who are competitive but not dedicated all the way.
personally I would like to tell ppl I am in the "grand master league" (although I wont ever be) but that sounds way cooler than just "pro league". I might start playing again to get into master league at least though...
On October 23 2010 05:35 The6357 wrote: they should just call it "Pro League"...what r all these fuss about gay ass names popping up...-_-
I think that would cause some confusion with Proleague, no?
Grand Master League sounds badass though. I just wanna know what emblem they'll use for it lol.
There isnt a proleague for sc2, and i doubt most sc2 players even know what Proleague is, also the icon will probably be a picture of incontrol of course
On October 23 2010 06:01 Proto_Protoss wrote: Its not going to affect 95% of SC2 players they should have one with like top 30% thats like for people who are competitive but not dedicated all the way.
They actually have implemented a system where the top 30% are separated. Beyond that they are separated even further into two leagues they call "Diamond" and "Platinum".
I would hate for it to be called "Pro League" as some people have been suggesting. If someone says they are 'pro' at a game it should be short for 'professional'. In my opinion it should be mean gaming is your profession, not just "you're really good at it".
On October 23 2010 07:22 CoMMoDuS wrote: hopefully that will lead people to stop thinking that just because they are in diamond means that they are actually good.
Morons will always think they are good, even if they are only platinum. I got BM'd by a high gold player during a Nexus Wars game for sucking and being a cheesy diamond noob. It was hilarious.
Again... What is the current POINTS cut off for Top 5% of Diamond???
On October 23 2010 07:22 CoMMoDuS wrote: hopefully that will lead people to stop thinking that just because they are in diamond means that they are actually good.
Morons will always think they are good, even if they are only platinum. I got BM'd by a high gold player during a Nexus Wars game for sucking and being a cheesy diamond noob. It was hilarious.
Again... What is the current POINTS cut off for Top 5% of Diamond???
I actually like the league names ;d, btw that's the same thing what they did for warcraft 3, each season you have top 200 goes to special ladder, playing only other players in that league with out mmr, so that's means almost instant games. Top 100 at the end of season will be automatically invited to league once again, while new top 100 will replace the old top 100-200.
It will be interesting to see how everything will evolve
On October 23 2010 05:35 The6357 wrote: they should just call it "Pro League"...what r all these fuss about gay ass names popping up...-_-
I think that would cause some confusion with Proleague, no?
Grand Master League sounds badass though. I just wanna know what emblem they'll use for it lol.
There isnt a proleague for sc2, and i doubt most sc2 players even know what Proleague is, also the icon will probably be a picture of incontrol of course
On October 23 2010 05:45 leeznon wrote: Love it, but it should be more than 100 players. (maybe 200-500)
It should be the 100, last thing TL needs is a bunch of pompous jackasses saying they are in GM league and jumping up on their high horse
I can't wait to do this when I get in.
Hey guys, I'm only in Grand Master League, but what do I know?
Seems like how they described it that it will be easier to stalk the higher level players because anybody can view the GM league. They also talked about featured matches which is interesting, but I would think would suck for those who want to keep their strategy secret. I suppose that's why those build order hider maps are out, but I can see being in GM league being a bad thing for privacy not just a status symbol.
If they had never removed the Copper League, then they wouldn't have to include both the Masters AND Grandmaster's League -.-' Everything would just shift up one and the *new* leagues would be Diamond and Master's.
By the way, official icons for Master and GrandMaster Leagues:
On October 22 2010 16:31 Kachna wrote: Nooo dont call it rainbow league, that sounds ridiculous. Call it .. ehm .. Crystal league !!!
Diamond is arguably the best crystal, why would you want to be promoted from the best crystal to some generic crystal? Diamond players might laugh at them and call it the salt league.
this is kinda dumb.... the top 100 already should be playing each other unless its a 300-100 and a 500-500. I hope it's going to be more than just a 100 player pool or gl on search times...
I have a question regarding the Master League. It said that 5% of the top diamond will be able to promote to Master League. so What about the people that is slightly below the top 5%? Obviously "the people who is slightly below the top 5%" will become the "new top 5%" so will they ever promote to Master League or they will just stuck to Diamond League forever?>
It seems like it's just gonna be another thing for people to be douchebags and brag about how they're better than everyone else at life because they're in the Grand Master League. : /
On October 25 2010 02:57 Ferrose wrote: It seems like it's just gonna be another thing for people to be douchebags and brag about how they're better than everyone else at life because they're in the Grand Master League. : /
The people who say things like that are generally low diamond players. The Grand Master league will consist of the top 200 (that's what Blizzard said). That means the Grand Master league will consist of mostly professional players, who I don't predict to go around saying "I'm a Grand Master so I am king."
On October 25 2010 02:48 itungle wrote: I have a question regarding the Master League. It said that 5% of the top diamond will be able to promote to Master League. so What about the people that is slightly below the top 5%? Obviously "the people who is slightly below the top 5%" will become the "new top 5%" so will they ever promote to Master League or they will just stuck to Diamond League forever?>
Master League is top 5% of diamond that's all there is to it. If you finally get to the top 5% you get promoted and if you drop out of the top 5% you're back to diamond, it's not that hard of a system.
I get what you're trying saying that if they promote they're not the top 5% anymore of Diamond but Blizzard will just take both Master League and Diamond into consideration after the first 5% promote.
why not just have a point ranking system without leagues? bronze would be around <250. silver 250-500. gold 500-750. plat 750-1000. diamond 1000blahblahblah etcetc you get it.
and get rid of the bonus pool, it's kinda retarded.
Whats wrong with everyone just being able to see what place they are in out of everyone that plays on ladder? I forget, are we just trying to make everyone feel good still and appease the rest?
I don't know if this has been discussed yet, but this is only for 1v1 right? It'd be kind of weird to have a Master and Grand Master league for 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4...
On October 23 2010 07:27 Sleight wrote: What is the current POINTS cut off for Top 5% of Diamond???
I'll let you figure it out for yourself, this should give you a decent idea. Keep in mind the cutoff changes on the daily, it'll be higher tomorrow than it is today, etc
In case you don't want to find a closer number, I'm at 1763 according to that and 1.76 percentile (use region not world for this), so just do the math (or look at random profiles until you find the % you want)
id imagine they are doing it based off of the top200 and MMR... not necessairly simply points
i think his is a great idea... only thing is that i would hope they provide the ability to be promoted to it, as well as demoted if not participating, so that there isnt a completely elevated competitive group, would completely cut off the remainder of the competitive scene to just the players in the GM league