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GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 14:38:25
October 18 2010 14:37 GMT
#181
I think it would be a great idea to have stations like that for SC2. Players would play on raised platform and have the TV's above them showing their first person view so anyone can see. That's the only thing that sucked was that you could not see any match other than the one being streamed.
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Korben
Profile Joined September 2010
United States139 Posts
October 18 2010 14:39 GMT
#182
On October 18 2010 15:12 TehRaZer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2010 14:56 Pyrthas wrote:
On October 18 2010 13:10 TehRaZer wrote:
@Tyler

You’re focusing you’re argument too much on Select when it doesn’t matter if it’s him or you or qxc etc, no one should’ve been made to play in less than their best form in a finals match. Maybe this isn’t as important from a progamers pov but it is from the spectators’ pov.
I don't like this contrast between the spectators' and the players' points of view. I want to watch what the players want to play.

That aside, I don't buy that endurance being part of the competition is bad. I mean, if you're up 2-0 in a bo5, I don't mind you dragging out a loss in game 3 to wear your opponent down (within reason, of course; no building pylons/depots/extractors everywhere just to waste time). You're doing everything you can to give yourself the advantage, and that's what I want to watch.

Well, I'd certainly prefer to see them at their best. Better quality games naturally.


I'm with Tyler on this one.
While SeleCT and Painuser's stories were epic, they brought them on themselves by losing so early in the tournament.
I don't think that his fatigue had anything to do with how easily IdrA rolled over seleCT, it was his build order and his composition which I'm pretty sure was his standard TvZ order.

anyone who drops to the losers bracket has to earn their way into the finals, it;s the downside of losing.

the only issue I had with the format was that without having brackes at the live event it did get a bit confusing.
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Avril_Lavigne
Profile Joined April 2010
United States446 Posts
October 18 2010 14:45 GMT
#183
I was there personally! One thing I would like is if they increased the volume of the casters. It was hard to hear over anything else. other than that it was amazing! I wish I had met sean plott and you as well it would've made my attendance 10x better
Phrencys
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada270 Posts
October 18 2010 14:48 GMT
#184
GJ posting replays, and quickly at that.

MLG > GSL for that single reason in my mind. Thank you for caring about the audience.
clm100
Profile Joined October 2010
United States18 Posts
October 18 2010 15:06 GMT
#185
It would have been great to do some introductions, presentations, etc on stage between matches. Introduce the matchup and have the players walk out, so we can see who they are. Then announce the winners, etc. Maybe a little trophy ceremony at the end where you announced 1-8? After the pretty lame idra v select bo3 it was just kind of a big let down. It felt like there was little to no conclusion or wrapup. The interview was good, but hard to see in person.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
October 18 2010 15:16 GMT
#186
On October 18 2010 23:48 Phrencys wrote:
GJ posting replays, and quickly at that.

MLG > GSL for that single reason in my mind. Thank you for caring about the audience.

you realise that every single GSL game gets casted while only about 1/10th of the games at MLG get casted, hence why replays are released. dont get bitter at gsl, they provide vods for all their games and stuff
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jdc214
Profile Joined May 2010
United States122 Posts
October 18 2010 15:17 GMT
#187
On October 18 2010 23:48 Phrencys wrote:
GJ posting replays, and quickly at that.

MLG > GSL for that single reason in my mind. Thank you for caring about the audience.


So very true, glad we can look at every MLG game - much appreciated.
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Killerhands
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States269 Posts
October 18 2010 15:24 GMT
#188
I went to MLG Raleigh and I think the only real thing they could improve on (minus more isolation between the screen and casters for the sound to be louder without disturbing the players) would be a live bracket. Whether it's on an LCD at a corner of the area or between matches it's up on the screen it'd be very useful. Like one poster said, it was kind of confusing trying to figure out who won what and trying to keep track of what was going on.


/2cents
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
October 18 2010 15:26 GMT
#189
On October 19 2010 00:16 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2010 23:48 Phrencys wrote:
GJ posting replays, and quickly at that.

MLG > GSL for that single reason in my mind. Thank you for caring about the audience.

you realise that every single GSL game gets casted while only about 1/10th of the games at MLG get casted, hence why replays are released. dont get bitter at gsl, they provide vods for all their games and stuff

He probably just prefers replays. Or at least really likes having replays to look at even after watching the stream. Most people really like getting the replays
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Dragonsven
Profile Joined April 2010
United States145 Posts
October 18 2010 15:29 GMT
#190
My only complaint was the finals sucked but nothing can really be done about that.
Fair and balanced.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 15:35:07
October 18 2010 15:32 GMT
#191
Really looking forward to Dallas.
Assuming Idra does well in GSL I really hope we get a Liquid player holding the trophy at the end of the tournament. Rumor has it they're gonna show up in force this time.

Spectator area and stream quality obviously needs to improved, as stated a million times in this thread.
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Kerm
Profile Joined April 2010
France467 Posts
October 18 2010 15:32 GMT
#192
Gotta agree also that posting replays is really nice.
BTW anyone has advices on which matches to take a look at (apart from finals and Huk's Mothership rush, obviously ^^) ?
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CheeseGrater
Profile Joined August 2010
United States290 Posts
October 18 2010 15:35 GMT
#193
On October 19 2010 00:32 Kerm wrote:
Gotta agree also that posting replays is really nice.
BTW anyone has advices on which matches to take a look at (apart from finals and Huk's Mothership rush, obviously ^^) ?


The entire QXC vs Idra series was very good, as well as Idra vs. Kiwikaki. I think Game 2 of Kiwikaki vs Select was also worth checking out.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
October 18 2010 15:37 GMT
#194
On October 19 2010 00:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 00:16 Kiante wrote:
On October 18 2010 23:48 Phrencys wrote:
GJ posting replays, and quickly at that.

MLG > GSL for that single reason in my mind. Thank you for caring about the audience.

you realise that every single GSL game gets casted while only about 1/10th of the games at MLG get casted, hence why replays are released. dont get bitter at gsl, they provide vods for all their games and stuff

He probably just prefers replays. Or at least really likes having replays to look at even after watching the stream. Most people really like getting the replays


I can give him replays if he wants, i prefer to watch the real pros play in GSL any day over MLG.
I am not young enough to know everything.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 18 2010 15:39 GMT
#195
1) I appreciate the fact that this is incredibly complex, however I will most certainly not be purchasing a HD pass again until I've seen multiple events transpire where there is no late starting and no extended periods without games.

2) The extended series crap resulted in yet another anticlimactic final. It's just not suited for SC2 at all. Modify it so that past the quarterfinal phase all games are straight up BoX.

3) It's really hard to keep track of what's going on with the brackets, I'd like some on-screen graphics and explanations from the casters. Often. Tabbing to the bracket page is clunky and since Octoshape eats so much bandwidth, painfully slow.

4) Octoshape eats way too much bandwidth. It's fine to use it for the free stream, but if I'm paying for HD access I'd like to not slow my upstream to a complete halt.

5) Less Gene Simmons and midgets please.

Other than that, it was a good event and the casting was great by all involved.
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chuky500
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
France473 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-18 16:03:15
October 18 2010 15:53 GMT
#196
The video was very dark I would have liked more lights at least for the casters and if possible lights on the players too. And some color correction on the game too to make it lighter and more visible.

The tournament went too deep in the brackets on the 2nd day. There were too many games for the players and even though Huk's mothership probably wouldn't have happened if he didn't play many games I think you could have kept the semi finals and finals for the sunday. I would have liked more games to be casted too, if you had the tourney on 3 days you could have shown more games.

I like double elimination because you can still root for players even if they lost a game, but I don't like the fact that it's so hard to win a double elimination final if you come from the losers bracket. You should make it double elimination first and then switch to single elimination for the quarter finals and up.

Wear less eyeliner especially JP. It looks wierd, it looks like a guy that wears make up.

Try to find a more relaxed dressing code for the casters, shirts are nice but in the MLG they were not really cool and a bit like children' shirt. They were basic and not colorful and all the buttons where closed.

And I don't know if you can really tell the players to stay in the game a bit longer but honestly Idra ruined the fun in so many games, leaving after just losing a few units. I don't remember which tournament it was in but once he left just because his opponent forcefielded his wall and he couldn't enter with his banelings. I just mean when you see White Ra losing his whole base to DTs and still fighting to come back and the next game you see Idra not even fighting and leaving before the combat it's anti climatic. It's not against him but it just ruins spectating.

PS : I like octoshape because that's the only browser videos I can watch fullscreen without losing fps on my old computer. ustream and the likes are slow in fullscreen. I'm talking about the low quality stream not the Hd one. I have a good connection but not a great pc so I like when streams are openable in VLC or with the octoshape plugin.
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
October 18 2010 16:15 GMT
#197
hey there,

NO BOOTHs is my opinion - because of that - it was the 2nd greatest match ive ever seen in sc2.
i dont care if people call this unproffesional - in the end it comes down to the players.

hearing a crowd cheer after 1 min , could indicate a double proxy - but doesn't have to - and tbh if a players throws his game away because he gets distracted by that - l2p

d9 + dj wheat = very good

10$ for 2 days too much for me
5$ would be fine, but i guess you wont get more than douvle the people paying so iguess it stays the same - im fine with my gom tv payment
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Escapist
Profile Joined July 2010
Portugal548 Posts
October 18 2010 16:30 GMT
#198
Heres my two cents:

Pros:

- Excellent matches by excellent players made for quite an exciting event

- I like the brackets system with winners and loosers running for the final victory but it requires somekind of live update shown on screen (maybe between matches) for viewers to follow whats going on and how far are we into the tournament

- Day[9] / DJWheat combo casting worked quite well for my taste, im pleased with it

- The replays were released so much faster than in MLG Raleigh, im sure not only me enjoyed that and shows how much the organization was commited about bringing them to the community. Thank you for that.

Cons:

- Im in favor of booths, at least, for the final matchups. I do enjoy seeing some mothership fun but if you want to make SC2 grow more in the US there will be a point where you just gonna have to take it that serious.

- The stream suffered from technical issues that killed some of the hype around the players and matchups

- Octoshape is a resource hog (at least on my PC) and other "lighter" options should be considered

All in all it was a good event and im sure it will improve with time. Thank you for all the work done and excitement provided.
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djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
October 18 2010 16:32 GMT
#199
I definitely think an on-site bracket would really help the players, spectators, etc be informed and up to date on everything that's happening. I think it also creates even more BUZZ in the tournament area because people are actively aware of how the brackets are playing out.

Also I'm not representing MLG here, but having done a cast with them and seeing their setup (something I'm always interested in)... it's alot harder than many of you might think to just add a 2nd setup that mirrors the one they have just to cast some additional games. It took tons of equipment and another 4-5 guys running it just to get a single stream, you'd basically be doubling that just to try to pump out more games. From a spectator perspective of course even I wanna be greedy and say, "WE WANT MORE MATCHES", but putting on my "OK LET'S BE REALISTIC" hat, I could see where that would be alot of time and money invested.

Maybe we can hope for something like that in the future.

I just want to say thanks to the entire MLG staff. At this event I got to play the role of caster and spectator... and both were awesome. I would love to see a bit better sound setup in the spec area, but it seemed to be an issue that MLG was eager to address so I have faith they'll sort it out!

Great work to all!
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
October 18 2010 16:32 GMT
#200
On October 18 2010 23:48 Phrencys wrote:
GJ posting replays, and quickly at that.

MLG > GSL for that single reason in my mind. Thank you for caring about the audience.

I'd rather they wait until the event is over, if at all, so players have to adapt on their own without knowing the minutia of an opponent's builds.
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