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StarSense
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
206 Posts
October 14 2010 18:25 GMT
#161
all I ask for as Zerg is hydralisk speed and NP buff

and marauder damage nerf

and better carriers/templar tech to help out my protoss pals
trotskyist
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Belgium87 Posts
October 14 2010 18:26 GMT
#162
Ok wow they actually did go through with the supply depot nerf and actually went farther and nerfed bio with the medi nerf. with the supply depot nerf, we cant counter 6 pool. for some reason, lings in sc2 are waaaaay better against scv's than lings in sc1 were. and the bio nerf? i dont get, bio was already weak late game. oh well, I was already planning on switching to toss if they did the supply nerf, now i will for sure. void rays, i dont care about, im just gonna play macro and get out 5 colossus and shit all over terrans lol. But i think alot of terrans will be switching race with me, so well see. might just use them to shit all over all the new zerg players haha
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
October 14 2010 18:26 GMT
#163
That is a huge vs armour nerf for the voidrays. I guess sniping main buildings wont be so easy now, but now they will be really bad at their original purpose, which was to kill capital ships.

Roach buff will reduce the number of viable builds pvz. Not sure if thats good or bad yet.

Reaper nerf will mean I dont get to have nearly as much fun when I roll terran in team games. It was a necessary nerf though.

I'm not sure how I feel about not being able to feedback thors and corruptors. I do like that they fixed the issue with feedbacking pdd though.

It will be really interesting to see how this patch changes the game.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-14 18:27:00
October 14 2010 18:26 GMT
#164
When is this coming to europe nyaaah!

Edit: that nerf really killed the void ray. Who will use it now?
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
October 14 2010 18:26 GMT
#165
Void rays actually might be a bit more useful to support your army now, because they do A LOT more damage in Stage I. 5 more damage vs armored is quite significant.

Really, now voids are useful before they hit Stage II, and Stage II is less, OMG!11!! I HARDLY KNEW YE, HATCHERY!!!1!!1!

Will be interested t see how this plays out.
Behavior is a function of its consequences.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
October 14 2010 18:26 GMT
#166
While I dont have any problem with lot of these changes.
The change to have supply depot require for a Barrack is fucking STUPID. I myself never do any cheese with Terran but by this change, Terran will have a very hard time defending cheese and also lost a lot of the surprise factor
Terran
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
October 14 2010 18:27 GMT
#167
VR nerf = lame.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
Reason.SC2
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1047 Posts
October 14 2010 18:27 GMT
#168
On October 15 2010 03:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Void Rays worthless now They had such difficult to overcome weaknesses against very basic and common units, Marines Hydras and Stalkers. Marines and Hydras in numbers at like 1/4 or 1/3 the cost of the Void Rays could fend off Void Rays but that wasn't enough? Vikings totally owned Void Rays before they got speed upgrade and now they own them even when the Void Rays get speed upgrade. Stalkers can probably approach charged up Void Rays now too since that reduction in damage against armored is so huge. And of course Protoss keeps getting worse against air... brood lords, corruptors and battlecruisers are now much more difficult to deal with.


Exactly.. Seriously what is P supposed to do against Battlecruisers now? "Not let it happen"? Thats great how about we get a unit that will auto-win games if we're allowed to macro up?
stupidhydro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States216 Posts
October 14 2010 18:27 GMT
#169
Hmm... Interesting patch. I really just don't like how they decided reapers needed to die altogether as if it was some sort of impossible to defend strategy. Since the first time increase, I've seen a decline in mass reapers so I don't know what prompted them to nerf them even more by adding a factory tech requirement. They lowered speed cost from 100/100 to make reapers used more and now they don't want the reaper to be used at all. THey should just admit that making it 50/50 was a mistake and put it back to 100/100 without this stupid factory requirement...
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
October 14 2010 18:28 GMT
#170
On October 15 2010 03:24 Borked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 03:23 eloist wrote:
So uhm... why no CC HP increase?


cause you can go PF if you like...


and lift off
Do you really want chat rooms?
eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
October 14 2010 18:28 GMT
#171
On October 15 2010 03:25 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
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On October 15 2010 03:25 xajten wrote:
On October 15 2010 03:23 eloist wrote:
So uhm... why no CC HP increase?


My guess would be cause you can just repair it anyway.

Also because it would be retarded It can lift off already, CCs are tough enough.

Anyhow, TvZ is gonna become pretty tough, while TvP got easier I guess... Tho Id like to get a personal feel for what exactly the medivac nerf does to your game.

Fair points.

I want my 9 rax 11 OC fast expand back.
butter
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States785 Posts
October 14 2010 18:28 GMT
#172
On October 15 2010 03:19 Yaotzin wrote:
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On October 15 2010 03:15 butter wrote:
So you can't feedback Thor or Corruptor now, but in return you can feedback PDD again. I think it's pretty telling that they had to invent an entirely new mechanic for these two abilities...

Cooldown isn't a new mechanic. Storm has a 2 second cooldown for example. Not to mention build stuff..

But a straight cooldown with no energy?
TL should have a minigame where you have to destroy some rocks before you can make a new post – DentalFloss
IamOBESE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States134 Posts
October 14 2010 18:29 GMT
#173
On October 15 2010 03:28 butter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 03:19 Yaotzin wrote:
On October 15 2010 03:15 butter wrote:
So you can't feedback Thor or Corruptor now, but in return you can feedback PDD again. I think it's pretty telling that they had to invent an entirely new mechanic for these two abilities...

Cooldown isn't a new mechanic. Storm has a 2 second cooldown for example. Not to mention build stuff..

But a straight cooldown with no energy?


how about blink?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
October 14 2010 18:29 GMT
#174
On October 15 2010 03:28 butter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 03:19 Yaotzin wrote:
On October 15 2010 03:15 butter wrote:
So you can't feedback Thor or Corruptor now, but in return you can feedback PDD again. I think it's pretty telling that they had to invent an entirely new mechanic for these two abilities...

Cooldown isn't a new mechanic. Storm has a 2 second cooldown for example. Not to mention build stuff..

But a straight cooldown with no energy?

Blink
SwaY-
Profile Joined March 2009
Dominican Republic463 Posts
October 14 2010 18:29 GMT
#175
Great back to 100% reactionary PvT play. Im starting to not care and just play... w/e -_-
Do it beautifully
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
October 14 2010 18:29 GMT
#176
On October 15 2010 03:27 Reason.SC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 03:23 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Void Rays worthless now They had such difficult to overcome weaknesses against very basic and common units, Marines Hydras and Stalkers. Marines and Hydras in numbers at like 1/4 or 1/3 the cost of the Void Rays could fend off Void Rays but that wasn't enough? Vikings totally owned Void Rays before they got speed upgrade and now they own them even when the Void Rays get speed upgrade. Stalkers can probably approach charged up Void Rays now too since that reduction in damage against armored is so huge. And of course Protoss keeps getting worse against air... brood lords, corruptors and battlecruisers are now much more difficult to deal with.


Exactly.. Seriously what is P supposed to do against Battlecruisers now? "Not let it happen"? Thats great how about we get a unit that will auto-win games if we're allowed to macro up?

P has no issues lategame..honestly yes, if you let the T get mass cattlebruisers you kinda deserve to die. And remember they got nerfed too, stalkers should do OK against them.

VR speed shouldn't matter that much, they can still run from vikings. Damage nerf seems icky but who knows, they did get a decent boost pre-charge. Maybe they're viable support units? Too early to say for sure imo.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
October 14 2010 18:30 GMT
#177
There was a very strong VR push against Terran but I don't think that alone would be enough reasons to nerf VRs. T has tons of pushes you can't really hold of if you don't scout them.
Bean54
Profile Joined September 2010
United States85 Posts
October 14 2010 18:30 GMT
#178
proceeding to 6 pool every terran, enjoy your supply depot requirement
Toxigen
Profile Joined July 2010
United States390 Posts
October 14 2010 18:30 GMT
#179
On October 15 2010 03:25 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2010 03:24 Toxigen wrote:
I didn't think the Void Ray nerf was really necessary though, but life boost for buildings is a nice change. I hope Roaches will be used more now.

Agreed on the void ray part, but did you really not see a lot of roaches? I already build roaches in every matchup. They're amazing tanking units and they're cheap.

The VR nerf is the only one I simply can't understand. Was anybody complaining about these? Is this a team-game balance move?


Yes, almost every 3v3 nowadays has a protoss massing Voidrays. It's kinda annoying to deal with (but doable), but I guess the n00bs got fed up with it.

Oh. That makes me sad.

I knew Blizzard was balancing around 2v2s and 3v3s (even though I don't agree with that), but I've got this awful feeling that they're gutting the VR for 1v1 play. Stargate/VR harass openings against Terran are looking a little less viable now -- it seems like Protoss is going to just have to embrace going robo against Terran no matter what for awhile.
oni_link
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany165 Posts
October 14 2010 18:30 GMT
#180
thors wtfbbq ultras big time~~~
?:O
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