EPTPatch 1.1.2 Notes - Page 18
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RedZack
Germany58 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On October 15 2010 03:34 trotskyist wrote: this is a dumb comment. do you even play terran? sure, in BW you could pull scv's. but in sc2 scv's are useless against lings, they dont do damage and they take alot of damage. 6 pool is really strong, even on 4 player maps. on 2 player maps its sick. if those lings get in your base, they are going to put the hurt on the scv line. if you attack them straight up with scv's, youll have maybe 3 or 4 scv's left after the fight is over and then you will be behind in econ, also by the way there is 8 more lings headed towards your base. dumb comment i think from a non-terran player. 6 pool might be the strongest cheese option in the game. from my experience you can complete your wall with a scout after your 10depot and 12rax and then another depot as soon as you see the lings coming i never really had problems against a 6pool, even on steppes... also take a look at the finals of one of last weeks go4sc2 cups, where Mardow 6/7pooled Tarson a couple of times and never was successful... edit: thor buff yay! reaper uselessness nay! | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
dot dot dot dee dot dot dot....because then we get to see how players react in (relatively) real time. From an entertainment standpoint it's way better. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On October 15 2010 03:53 YoiChiBow wrote: People already complain about how TvP is boring to watch nowadays since the match is becoming vanilla due to the nerfs. Now i guarantee its going to be even more boring. Well Thors got a TvP buff, so hopefully that'll add some variety. | ||
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Drathmar
United States160 Posts
On October 15 2010 03:52 Yaotzin wrote: They seem really nice later on, when the cost of the shrine isn't really an issue. The harass is good, and they seem nice as support units, forcing constant scans because they have such beastly damage. I agree, I won with them against another toss the other day cause I fell behind on colossi count... made 1 round of all DT, and just sent them right for his colossi and sniped them all before he could get a 2nd obs out get his obs back from wherever to his army. | ||
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Azide
Canada566 Posts
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klauz619
453 Posts
On October 15 2010 03:56 Skyze wrote: Void ray 10 (+15) to 8 (+8) now..?? WTF is that.. from 25 to 16? Thats insane. Protoss has been nerfed to shit so often, not that im surprised, but this is fucking retarded. No reason to really get void rays anymore. 45dps for a 3 food unit is rather excessive. | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On October 15 2010 03:44 NicolBolas wrote: They don't suck before charge anymore. That's the point. What is used to counter them though? Queens hydras for z and marines and vikings for t. All these they don't get the +4 at uncharged so only recieve a 16 percent buff uncharged while taking a 20 percent nerf charged. And seeing as how good toss use is to make sure they are charged close to 100 percent of the time it means a 20 percent nerf against light and a 36 percent nerf against armored. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
Now that roaches are buffed more people are going to get range upgrades, and if you have the range upgrades in the first place, then the extra investment in hydras may be worth it. God I am so glad Zerg got some love at last, and that i stuck with the race. | ||
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
On October 15 2010 03:54 DooMDash wrote: Anyone thinks Nuke's should do more damage to buildings to make up for all the building buffs? 5 nukes to kill a nexus now.... | ||
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Altsa
Finland990 Posts
Typo... | ||
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exnomendei
Netherlands122 Posts
On October 15 2010 03:00 TheResidentEvil wrote: wow...void ray speed upgrade seems totally worthless now. Cant believe we cant feedback thors now Not just that, I think the damage reduction is too much for this kind of expensive unit. I can't believe they reduced it from 25 to 16, that's more than 30 per cent. (36 to be exact.) It makes me think that the price should go down to 200/150. I do like a lot of the other changes. I wonder however, if removing energy from so many units doesn't devalue High Templar a little bit. However, it might give people a little more incentive to make Thors. Corruptors, I feel, are very often neglected, whether that is rightfully so or not. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On October 15 2010 03:51 NicolBolas wrote: Very good; that's the point. It nerfs precharging by making uncharged VRs better. This encourages use of the VR as a standard unit rather than with a gimmick rush or somesuch. Which is dumb because Void Ray charging was one of the coolest things in the game. Nobody should want VR to be used as a standard unit. It'd be just another unit to attack move rather than a unit that requires unique micro/preparation/tactics. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On October 15 2010 03:54 kentonator wrote: Have to agree with Ocelot here, and as a Terran player I don't wall off because of how many B-Busters there are on ladder. Your SCV's can surround the lings off a 6 pool and kill them with maybe losing 2-3 most of the time. After you stop his first 6 pool attack you have pretty much won since it sets them back pretty far... Yeah even i stopped walling against zerg unless i FE. A bunker is good enough to hold until you get rauders to tank blings or hellions to kite | ||
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Champ24
177 Posts
On October 15 2010 03:55 Kryptonite333 wrote: WTF no energy on corrupters how the fuck do you kill them now as p fk this =D h well i lika a challenge, and all buildings life upgraded thank god !@#king maurauder you bad boys =p Oh $hit, I didn't see that. I have no idea. P's anti-air is fairly weak right now. Phoenix has their place, but it's more of a hybrid anti-air and harassment tool than strictly anti-air. | ||
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J7S
Brazil179 Posts
Roaches are going to be freaking strong now. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
For the moment, screw the changes -- I'm just happy that Blizzard put this patch out as fast as they did. I'm incredibly glad that they're willing to push out balance changes as soon as they're happy with them rather than waiting for the next huge content. And now, for the changes. Even as a Zerg player, I still think requiring depot before rax is a dumb choice. I think it's bad for the game in general if options and playstyles are completely thrown off the table instead of nerfed slightly. I would've rather seen maybe a (very) slight increase in barracks and/or tech lab build time. <3 roach range increase, I can't wait to play with it. Void rays got hit with the nerf bat way hard. I'm undecided whether or not it's too hard. I think a cost decrease might be appropriate along with these changes. I'm interested in how the damage buff for level 1 works out, but I don't think it'll make much difference in the long run. The really good players were able to keep them charged up pretty much all the time. Maybe the purpose is to make it harder to hit level 2 at all (as stuff dies faster when hit with level 1)? I do think flux veins were absolutely ridiculous, and I'm surprised that the upgrade wasn't completely abused all the time by higher level players. With proper micro it basically made void rays invincible. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On October 15 2010 03:57 PlaGuE_R wrote: Thor energy gone? wtf do i do vs mech now that Templars are less viable? Immortals rape mech, Collosi have 9 range and out range thors/Rape hellions Voids are still good Late Game Carriers are now a must | ||
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