Honestly I liked kulas and DO, they were frustrating to play on but just required a very different mindset. Kulas made me rage occasionally at cliffdrops though, I think the cliff rocks should have had like half health.

TheMonkeyMon

United States119 Posts

October 07 2010 19:01 GMT

#602

Sweet, now I can thumbs down Basin, DQ, and BS instead of Kulas and DO.

eNtitY~

United States1293 Posts

October 07 2010 19:09 GMT

#603

I still didn't have the new maps this morning on NA, has it even happened on NA yet?

ThE.SparkZ

United States381 Posts

October 07 2010 19:11 GMT

#604

It's on NA already

Wr3k

Canada2533 Posts

October 07 2010 19:13 GMT

#605

What the fuck are they thinking putting shakuras plateau in the 1v1 map rotation? Jungle basin looks like it might not make me want to kill myself when I play on it, but Shakuras plateau? Its a fucking 2v2 map... I'm kinda hoping this thread is 31 pages of troll.

Dagon

Romania264 Posts

October 07 2010 19:31 GMT

#606

I player on shakuras a game and it felt just like caverns with 4 players for me.. Jungle basin looks interesting though, with terran you can expand off 1 or 2 Marines if you wall in, i think.. I wonder if smth like 9 pylon, 14 nexus works in pvp.. Would be cool to see some FE builds..

Just my 2 cents..

Amber[LighT]

United States5078 Posts

October 07 2010 19:34 GMT

#607

I played a couple games on the Shakuras map and I'm a bit mixed... the first was a ZvP which was an LOLwin since getting a 14 hatch was ezpz and we were on diagonal positions (8 and 2). I thought it was pretty sweet personally since you had a lot of breathing room and a lot of the stupid tricks you see on maps like Steppes or LT don't happen. The second game was a zvz where we were next to each other (11 and 2) and it's interesting to see the strategy that can come from choosing to break the rocks or take the main (longer) road.

Haven't played any on Jungle Basin yet, hope it won't be lame

darthcaesar

United States475 Posts

October 07 2010 19:35 GMT

#608

It is so hard to play zerg on Jungle Basin. I was trying to go for a muta build that requires spines, but the back door makes a spine defense impossible. And if I do set up the defense at the back door, and spines finally hit the ground, the toss will just hit the front. Ugh. I hate that back door sooooo much.

Pudge_172

United States1378 Posts

October 07 2010 19:39 GMT

#609

Will IEM be using the new ladder pool 2moro???

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

October 07 2010 19:44 GMT

#610

On October 08 2010 04:39 Pudge_172 wrote:
Will IEM be using the new ladder pool 2moro???

I highly highly doubt it as most players have been practicing on the maps like DO/Kulas (or I imagine so anyway). Would be dumb of them to add these 2 maps to the IEM map pool tbh

Gaius Baltar

United States449 Posts

October 07 2010 20:26 GMT

#611

Diamond, I value your passion and admire your contributions to this community.

Ocedic, there is merit in many of your concerns.

Half, you make some of the most consistently insightful replies on TL.

That said, you could all stand to edit some manners into this thread.

On October 07 2010 17:38 Ocedic wrote:

Instead of treating the integration of custom maps as an open discourse....

This is probably the best place to start a civil conversation. Diamond and Half, while you may not like Ocedic's perspective, in truth it describes a minority understanding of iCCup's agenda. Agenda--what a dirty word? Yet even Raelcun felt the need to clarify:

As the second reply to Diamond's b.net post, Raelcun wrote:

iCCup.Raelcun here let me say something.

This is in no means saying bring in JUST iCCup Maps. Just bring in custom maps we of course believe the iccup maps are great but even if you bring in custom maps and our maps dont get as much attention as we want FINE as long as they're good well thought out and designed maps. Our map team and pool is only trying to advance map making as a whole and by no means saying we're the definitive and only option out there. Just trying to advance the sport by closing up the major weakness the maps.

Here Raelcun astutely describes iCCup's true goals, but unfortunately not everybody understands things this way.

I am as much a fan of the iCCup effort to help the development of SC2 e-Sports as the next guy. I just don't want to see you guys inadvertently give yourselves a bad image by mishandling your frustrations. Always choose your words carefully, and like Kennigit said on Weapon of Choice this week, focus on building evidence for why your maps are good.

I think you'll have more success that way, and SC2 will benefit with your success. That's all I have to say for now. And do try to treat each other like gentlemen.

kentonator

Vatican City State95 Posts

October 07 2010 20:41 GMT

#612

Just played on jungle basin, didn't know these maps were coming so it was pretty suprsing when it popped. I like the map though, made for an interesting game, my Zerg opponent was harassing me on all sides till I smashed through the front. Made a for a fun 16 minute game.

Fraidnot

United States824 Posts

October 07 2010 21:14 GMT

#613

I'm convinced that I'll only be able to get TvT on Shakuras Plateau.

CidO

United States695 Posts

October 07 2010 21:20 GMT

#614

So Jungle Basin and Scrap station to be down rated most likely for me, I don't know, maybe the other new one.

floor exercise

Canada5847 Posts

October 07 2010 21:22 GMT

#615

On October 08 2010 04:35 darthcaesar wrote:
It is so hard to play zerg on Jungle Basin. I was trying to go for a muta build that requires spines, but the back door makes a spine defense impossible. And if I do set up the defense at the back door, and spines finally hit the ground, the toss will just hit the front. Ugh. I hate that back door sooooo much.

Yeah it's a truly horrible backdoor. Worse than Blistering. if they got rid of the backdoor the map might not be terrible, though it's still kind of small, there's good flanking opportunities etc.

Just that backdoor ruins the entire map

Humdrum

40 Posts

October 07 2010 21:36 GMT

#616

Just played Jungle basin for the first time and my first impression is that I will down vote this map just as I did Kulas. I'm not sure how to play this map as zerg because everything is so narrow and there are so many choke points that it's hard to get a good surround off. Perhaps it's just a lack of experience with the map but it seems to be painful for zerg.

Exposed third
Nasty backdoor
Very little open space
Choke points galore

arterian

Canada1157 Posts

October 07 2010 21:42 GMT

#617

I don't like Jungle Basin very much at all. I wish it more like a 2 player Delta Quadrant, at least in the way the starting bases are.

kojinshugi

Estonia2559 Posts

October 07 2010 21:44 GMT

#618

On October 08 2010 04:13 Wr3k wrote:
What the fuck are they thinking putting shakuras plateau in the 1v1 map rotation? Jungle basin looks like it might not make me want to kill myself when I play on it, but Shakuras plateau? Its a fucking 2v2 map... I'm kinda hoping this thread is 31 pages of troll.

This just in, there's 2v2 maps on the 1v1 ladder.

I don't understand why so many people keep saying that. You won't ever spawn top/bottom close positions, the natural isn't wide open, rush distance isn't short.

What's wrong with Shakuras?

Ballistixz

United States1269 Posts

October 07 2010 22:02 GMT

#619

i played jungle basin a few times back when it was just on the custom games map pool. I must say that its a horrible map especially for zerg. it honestly seems like they make a map and just throw expansions any where and everywhere and think it will be good. thats exactly what they did on jungle basin. the worst part of it all is the high ground expansions in the middle. each one of the expansions are so hard to defend because it leads u closer and closer to the opponents main or the oponents expansion. and they all link up to each other for easy access.

toss and terran will have a field day with expansion happy zergs on that map.

Paperscraps

United States639 Posts

October 07 2010 22:03 GMT

#620

On October 08 2010 06:44 kojinshugi wrote:

Show nested quote +

A better question is what is wrong with most of the knee-jerk posters on TL? Just imagine taking some time and thought before posting, this could be a much better/more constructive discussion.

Both maps have their niches, but we ultimately can't make any rash decisions until they have been played for awhile.