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jaeds
Profile Joined September 2010
United States106 Posts
October 02 2010 14:29 GMT
#41
while we're comparing the viewership of darts, lumberjacking, pre-teen spelling contests, and eating to the starcraft2 viewership, are these statistics compared to some starcraft2 event televised on the same television station channels? (ie. if darts is on espn, then sc2 on espn... if darts is on channel 1023, then sc2 on channel 1023..)
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 02 2010 14:32 GMT
#42
A word of warning - eSports may very well be run as a joke report by mainstream media outlets.

Honestly I don't see what good it would do for the scene for some evening news show somewhere to report on these crazy kids with their competitions playing video games. People who would actually follow esports don't get their news from those sources anyway.

There's a very large community of gamers and they have their own media, mostly online.
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palanq
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States761 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 14:33:29
October 02 2010 14:33 GMT
#43
wiki says second life has 18 million registered accounts. SC2 sales this year are predicted to be <10 million (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6271382.html)

so I don't think your framing is fair here
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Onlinejaguar
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia2823 Posts
October 02 2010 14:48 GMT
#44
Who honestly cares if the BBC reports in SC2 stuff or not? The main viewership doesn't care so why report it. Mass media on TV is full of fake news anyway. SC2 is doing really dam well. I don't know why threads like this need to be made.
Cliff Curtis
Profile Joined September 2010
10 Posts
October 02 2010 14:54 GMT
#45
On October 02 2010 22:01 Coeus1 wrote:
Sad to say this, but watching people play computer games that I don't play myself is boring.

I love to watch SC2 and Counter-Strike because I play them. But watching street fighter or some other game I don't play - no way for more than 10 minutes. Football is way more fun to watch.

Don't know how they manage to pull it off in korea... all I can think of is different culture.

That's only your opinion. I watched some matches of SC2 before I played it and I sure as hell found it alot more interesting to watch than some football match, while I played football myself!
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
October 02 2010 15:03 GMT
#46
I think SC2 is too complicated for mainstream (compared to say, Pop Idol, F1 [whoever is in front wins], soccer [kick ball into net lol], Big Brother) people don't generally enjoy or are very good at thinking. Especially in the UK.

Still worth a try, I'd be glad to be wrong.
0mar
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
October 02 2010 15:33 GMT
#47
On October 03 2010 00:03 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I think SC2 is too complicated for mainstream (compared to say, Pop Idol, F1 [whoever is in front wins], soccer [kick ball into net lol], Big Brother) people don't generally enjoy or are very good at thinking. Especially in the UK.

Still worth a try, I'd be glad to be wrong.


SC2 doesn't have a sweet spot for the casual observer. You can turn on a football game (American) and have a general sense of what's going on without having to know the intimate details of football. If you know the small details, then watching the game is even more rewarding. In SC2, I don't see that happening. You can't just pop the game on and have a sense of what's going on. You need to see it from start to finish and with a fairly deep understanding to actually enjoy what's going on.
RafikiSC
Profile Joined August 2010
United States90 Posts
October 02 2010 23:34 GMT
#48
On October 03 2010 00:33 0mar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2010 00:03 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I think SC2 is too complicated for mainstream (compared to say, Pop Idol, F1 [whoever is in front wins], soccer [kick ball into net lol], Big Brother) people don't generally enjoy or are very good at thinking. Especially in the UK.

Still worth a try, I'd be glad to be wrong.


SC2 doesn't have a sweet spot for the casual observer. You can turn on a football game (American) and have a general sense of what's going on without having to know the intimate details of football. If you know the small details, then watching the game is even more rewarding. In SC2, I don't see that happening. You can't just pop the game on and have a sense of what's going on. You need to see it from start to finish and with a fairly deep understanding to actually enjoy what's going on.


Imagine if you hadn't grown up with football, baseball, basketball, etc. The first time you see them, they are going to be confusing. The more you know about the rules and strategy that goes into the game, the more rewarding the viewing experience can be. The same rules apply to SC2. That being said, it would be much more difficult to get the casual viewers because of the social stigma that goes with people who spend too much time playing video games (in America anyway).

Having SC2 covered by a major media outlet in the UK or the US is probably a long way off but I don't understand why an American channel like G4 doesn't run some SC2 related material. Good commentators explaining the action can really add to the viability of SC2 as an entertainment form and I'd be willing to bet that G4 can cut one of their Cops or Cheaters re-runs to give us a little SC2.
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Svetz
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia311 Posts
October 03 2010 08:54 GMT
#49
I've decided the best way to get it mentioned in the news is to get a UK guy into the finals... Guess that means Demus needs to get practicing

And the only reason second life has so many accounts registered is because BBC plugs it so much, so people register just to see what their talking about, then never go back. I think the actual active figures for second life are a tiny proportion of the registered.

I wasn't really expecting constant reporting, but I would of thought the GSL worthy of mention at least!
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Balor
Profile Joined April 2010
United States147 Posts
October 03 2010 09:09 GMT
#50
On October 02 2010 21:59 vlf wrote:

But then again, mainstream journalism is trash so this is nothing short of expected.


Fox news?

..

anyways, this should be mainbstream... 10k views for the LIVE tourney going on in the middle of the night for most americans..

as anchorman would say.. "Im kind of a big deal"
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
October 03 2010 09:16 GMT
#51
lol @ second life

those ppl just dont have a clue do they
Klimpen
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
New Zealand100 Posts
October 03 2010 09:28 GMT
#52
Two things.

Firstly, any sport is not easy to understand to a casual viewer who's unfamiliar with the sport. I've seen exactly ONE game of American Football [it was the only thing I could find on TV in English when I was in Germany and had a few hours downtime]. I had no idea of what was going on. Which leads into my second point...

Commentators make or break games for casual viewers. A good commentator [eg. Tasteless] will make the game entertaining and exciting for people who're unfamiliar with the game they're watching. A crap commentator will not.

I firmly believe that the future of eSports is in the hands of commentators more than anyone else.
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-03 09:35:53
October 03 2010 09:33 GMT
#53
documentary about fnatic and IEM global challenge in Shanghai was already broadcasted on eurosport btw
oh ok was said already, i think in the next episode they will concentrate more on quake live than starcraft, not sure though. i think i read it will be about 2 quake live players, one of them being rapha
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Shakes
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia557 Posts
October 03 2010 09:48 GMT
#54
Lets just put the BBC's lack of reporting into perspective:

GSL Season 1 final: $~100k prize pool, 3.5k people attended free event live, some people on the internets watched.

Australian Football League Grand Final: $~3.4 million prize pool, 100k people paid $100+ for tickets to attend live (2 weeks in a row since the first week was a draw!), 3.6 million peak viewership watched on free to air TV in Australia, also available on cable TV in several other countries.

As far as I can tell the AFL grand final did not rate a mention on the BBC news site. Why should the GSL?
teapot
Profile Joined October 2007
United Kingdom266 Posts
October 03 2010 10:04 GMT
#55
Over the summer the BBC did a series on e-sport on Radio 4. It was a lot of interviews with players from British teams like dignitas, 4kings.

They have also featured WoW related news, e.g they covered the outcry over RealID recently, and more besides.

If you think they should routinely provide coverage from events I think AT LEAST you will require a high profile UK player.
Minzy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia387 Posts
October 03 2010 10:06 GMT
#56
^ because unlike AFL(which is boring as shit, and Australian), Starcraft is an international game that is accessible to everyone, it can be viewed by anyone and is very easy to understand compared to other sports, there are no "rules" and viewers can actually learn more about the game and improve their own skill through watching(unlike AFL).
Huh...
dahornnn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom395 Posts
October 03 2010 10:14 GMT
#57
bbc technology had an article on the cgs finals so its plausible
Darkong
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
October 03 2010 10:16 GMT
#58
On October 02 2010 22:23 noD wrote:
I think unless someone kills and blame sc2 they wont notice it ... =X

Sadly that is pretty much how the British Media looks at games, and a one with the level of, not just violence but violence on a huge scale like S2 has getting coverage for a competition on the BBC? The Daily Mail would explode in a fireball of right-wing anger (would love to see that happen tbh).
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Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-03 10:35:49
October 03 2010 10:34 GMT
#59
On October 02 2010 23:10 zeeQue wrote:
Look at Xleague.tv that collapsed after only a few months in business, the viewer base just isn't there.


I'm a gamer who played probably half of the games they covered at the time. but their coverage and commentating was so shit, I couldn't bring myself to watch anymore after the first week. Clueless non gamer commentators and celebs who looked bored, not the way to convince people this is something good.

There is a channel in the UK currently that does show E-Sports stuff, can't remember it tho.. I watched a Documentary (ok it was a few years old) on Sky playing WC3. And they show other stuff a lot too. Its just a dump ground channel, you find the gaming stuff in between motorcross and speed skating
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
October 03 2010 10:43 GMT
#60
What's there to report on? There was one main tournament in Korea with 95% amateur Korean players. It's irrelevant to the BBC. I'm sure there's lots of other unusual obscure sports in other countries which doesn't get reported on either. Pretty sure they didn't say anything about 100,000 people showing up to see the 2004 Proleague finals either despite that being more notable.
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