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Kalpman
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden406 Posts
October 04 2010 21:54 GMT
#281
Good luck with the change man, see you on the internetz
I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than you!
fiskrens
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden196 Posts
October 04 2010 21:59 GMT
#282
Wow you leave games quickly sometimes, lol. Like the one where he didn't say his race, and you just left
titaniumnuts
Profile Joined July 2010
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 22:04:30
October 04 2010 22:04 GMT
#283
Morrow, what are your thoughts on the muta, ling baneling, composition that is found in a lot of tvz matchups, now that you've seen it from both side?
Krychek
Profile Joined May 2010
United States172 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 22:06:17
October 04 2010 22:05 GMT
#284
Awesome topic Morrow, keep it up!
Feel free to rage quit
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
October 04 2010 22:09 GMT
#285
Hey morrow, awesome thread, could u put a very small description on the replays when u go saving them? thanks
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 23:29:41
October 04 2010 23:21 GMT
#286
On October 05 2010 06:45 grudgeStar wrote:
"been loving the neutral parasite to counter thor so far, i dont know why zergs thing its useless"

Who said this?
A bronze zerg?

everone who i talked to and pretty much all mediocre zerg gamers upwards. everyone on IEM seemed to agree that neutral parasite wasnt underused, it was just so bad that it wasnt worth getting.
personally i feel the best way to counter the thor hellion tank play is just by roaches lings and infestors. yep, no mutalisk :p if u spread infestors well o nthe map they neglect hellion harass just as well

On October 05 2010 07:09 noD wrote:
Hey morrow, awesome thread, could u put a very small description on the replays when u go saving them? thanks

wayy too much work, infact im gonna start updating this once every third day or so for bigger packs instead of updating it every day as i realized i only played 8~ games some days which is just not alot to watch )


On October 05 2010 07:04 titaniumnuts wrote:
Morrow, what are your thoughts on the muta, ling baneling, composition that is found in a lot of tvz matchups, now that you've seen it from both side?

well its great vs bio play, but as soon as the terran throws in some tanks to deal with the banes i either need a more costy army or throw in infestors to beat this. but since a zerg can get 3base i still think its pretty fair game as far as early midgame goes anyway. the composition is great for nullifying the armies so its best just to use for grab many bases quickly as u will need to compensate for the gas heavy army. but later on zergs will have to mix it up ofcourse, and its not like u can muta ling baneling vs any terran army in the midgame aswell. its a nice style but zergs shouldnt feel its the only way to play at all. ive just felt so strong with roach ling infestor even vs bio
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noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
October 04 2010 23:28 GMT
#287
btw morrow, what are your though´s about gsl finals ?
Ndugu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1078 Posts
October 04 2010 23:28 GMT
#288
I recently switched to Zerg and I'm amazed by how many free wins Terran players hand me by massing Thors. Make enough infestors to NP every single one-- that is a sad battle for the Terran player.
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
October 05 2010 00:00 GMT
#289
Love the updates - MOAR!!! :-D
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
Ganondorf
Profile Joined April 2010
Italy600 Posts
October 05 2010 00:39 GMT
#290
I was already a fan of Morrow before this, he's also very young so once he's done with school maybe he can go to korea in a year or two. All progamers should try all races and be ready to switch depending on the matchup and map. That's a huge advantage, especially in sc2 where maps influence so much the gameplay, TLO does it but i think Morrow can do better.

Looking forward to a Morrow vs Idra ZvZ match!
NyuNyu
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada146 Posts
October 05 2010 00:45 GMT
#291
I dont really care.. Good luck with zerg.
1800~ Random Diamond, C+ ICCup 2008 - "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
NATO
Profile Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
October 05 2010 00:55 GMT
#292
You are awesome Morrow! Now competing for a place in my heart with TLO.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 05 2010 03:09 GMT
#293
On October 05 2010 06:45 grudgeStar wrote:
"been loving the neutral parasite to counter thor so far, i dont know why zergs thing its useless"

Who said this?
A bronze zerg?

This whole forum says this. Just look the strategy forum.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 05 2010 08:04 GMT
#294
Imho neutral parasite should last 4 secs longer or cost 25 less energy.
Nevertheless, I love reading this little diary.
I had a good night of sleep.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
October 05 2010 08:09 GMT
#295
morrow, if you got time I'd really like to hear what you think about the balance/difficulty-differences between ZvT and ZvP - since many ppl (especially in korean) nowadays say that ZvP is actually much harder than ZvT

awsome reps btw, really like that you don't hang onto games when you made mistakes on ladder, since ladder means shit
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
ShadowReaver
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada563 Posts
October 05 2010 13:38 GMT
#296
Thanks for providing replays, it's helping my ZvP quite a bit. I won one of my first games against the protoss Colosis ball.
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
October 05 2010 13:56 GMT
#297
On October 05 2010 08:21 MorroW wrote:
personally i feel the best way to counter the thor hellion tank play is just by roaches lings and infestors. yep, no mutalisk :p if u spread infestors well o nthe map they neglect negate hellion harass just as well



This is good insight... I think hte Magic box is overrated. Roaches infestors and Lings are the way to go. Infestors nullify SCV repair, roaches/lings/blings are the obvious ground army. I can't wait to see your Zerg in 6 months and I hope you play it permanently.

By the way I fixed your wording lol. Neglect means to ignore or disregard. Negate means to nullify, make less/none of.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-05 14:27:25
October 05 2010 14:22 GMT
#298
On October 05 2010 08:21 MorroW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 06:45 grudgeStar wrote:
"been loving the neutral parasite to counter thor so far, i dont know why zergs thing its useless"

Who said this?
A bronze zerg?

everone who i talked to and pretty much all mediocre zerg gamers upwards. everyone on IEM seemed to agree that neutral parasite wasnt underused, it was just so bad that it wasnt worth getting.
personally i feel the best way to counter the thor hellion tank play is just by roaches lings and infestors. yep, no mutalisk :p if u spread infestors well o nthe map they neglect hellion harass just as well


I've never understood this mentality, if you do out the math NP is very favorable on thors (prevents 500ish dmg to your army and causes 500 dmg to their army). It's not something that necessarily scales well into late game due to tanks & larger army sizes crowding out the infestors, but by then you have plenty of ways to deal with thors (ultras, upgraded roaches/lings, broodlords).

It can also have a FG like effect because the NPed Thors deny space in your enemy's concave.

If you go pit out of lair and scout the Thors in time to have NP researched you just CRUSH the first or second Thor push so bad that it's almost gg right there.

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btlyger
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States470 Posts
October 05 2010 14:41 GMT
#299
NP is good against thors/colossi, but you get it so late for such a cost that its only worth it if they are getting masses of that unit. The energy upgrade is needed so NP has to come after that.

Honestly, if the game goes into very very late game and they are keeping up with thors, I will make sure I have it. But it comes so late that in almost all of my games I see myself not getting it.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-05 14:52:36
October 05 2010 14:47 GMT
#300
On October 05 2010 23:41 btlyger wrote:
NP is good against thors/colossi, but you get it so late for such a cost that its only worth it if they are getting masses of that unit. The energy upgrade is needed so NP has to come after that.

Honestly, if the game goes into very very late game and they are keeping up with thors, I will make sure I have it. But it comes so late that in almost all of my games I see myself not getting it.


It depends on your build. In ZvT I open with a pretty standard lair timing (about the time it takes to make 2 queens from a hatchery) and right at lair I go pit->energy upgrade->infestors at 40% energy upgrade done (so they pop out with 75 energy). Really there's nothing stopping me from getting NP right after that, and I will if I see heavy mech coming. Yeah it's still kinda a long time (50+80+110), but it's not super late or anything.

I'd need more testing on the exact timing, but I think if he pushes with anything more than a single Thor I will have NP up in time.

It's a shame you can't burrow cast NP anymore because that also made it useful vs tanks & ravens.

It's low army sizes when you want NP. Take an army that's 12 marines and 1 Thor + 4 scvs (made up numbers, but it's about what you might see on an early thor push). With 1 NP you take 10 population, almost 50% of the army, out of the picture and a much higher % of the enemy's health and resource investment. Also early pushes will resolve quicker so you have more time to dmg the NPed unit before the NP wears off.
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