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On October 02 2010 08:34 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 08:27 Darkn3ss wrote:
Cool stuff!
So have you had any moments where you were like "FML TERRAN IMBA!!!"? Hehe haha, i wont get that until i win all my zvz's and zvp's, then we will see )
Hehe well either way that's awesome. I'll definitely check this thread regularly to see where you're at with zerg! XD
Maybe you can also upload individual replays of games that, you thought, were more special than the rest. That way I don't have to watch the whole replay pack to find something cool! (School takes up too much time QQ)
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Day 3 rep-pack seems to be broken!
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On October 02 2010 08:34 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 08:27 Darkn3ss wrote:
Cool stuff!
So have you had any moments where you were like "FML TERRAN IMBA!!!"? Hehe haha, i wont get that until i win all my zvz's and zvp's, then we will see ) Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 08:18 Shika wrote:
Trump is currently playing MorroW (as zerg) on his stream if someone's interested. if only i had 4 queens  first time i see anyone do that vs a zerg (2port banshee cloak on 1base)
Trump also said: it is so nice to fight when he just does not make banelings...
banes against marines = slaughter :p
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On September 30 2010 22:21 MorroW wrote:1st Octobergetting better at creep spreading, started to make an additional queen only for that purpose against toss users  im learning alot about zvp late game and how lacking in upgrades ive been against them for air and melee attacks
You're welcome 
(We played a 45~ min game PvZ)
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I also switched to Zerg recently.
But not from Terran but from Random.
There have been some strange shifts in my records vs. the different races in comparison to my Z-Games as Rnd.
ZvT: Before was at like 40%. Now it's way better. Won the last 3 ZvTs
ZvZ: Feels way harder compared to when I was random. The other guy knowing what I am prevents him from doing stuff early on that isn't good in that MU.
ZvP: Now here it is the most extreme. I found I had a really good record in that MU (like 75%) but since I Z-only it has become by far my worst MU. Have been losing over and over. 4 ZvPs lost in a row before finally the 1st victory.
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good stuff, way to put up and follow through with it.
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won't change the fact that u're still a terran abusing noob
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I'm curious as to how much this is hurting his terran play. I guess we'll see in tournaments.
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D: you're going down in ratings...
I'm interested in your views about zerg as a terran player :D
What are your fundamental insights about zerg? As zerg, what do you think are the most important things to exploit vT or vP? or vs any opponent as a matter of fact?
On October 02 2010 08:34 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 08:27 Darkn3ss wrote:
Cool stuff!
So have you had any moments where you were like "FML TERRAN IMBA!!!"? Hehe haha, i wont get that until i win all my zvz's and zvp's, then we will see
QFT :D You can't back up on your words now! XD
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How can you lose 500 points? at 1800 you can 6-pool and win vs most( a 2000, 200-60 player should know how to micro/when to take fights and what positions to outclass any 1800 diamond player that is below 75%) Just shows how easy it is to play terran right now, but good luck with zerg, only thing it is going to do for you is get you better for when you switch back to terran and make the zvt even worse for the Z
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On October 02 2010 09:53 peachsncream wrote:
How can you lose 500 points? at 1800 you can 6-pool and win vs most( a 2000, 200-60 player should know how to micro/when to take fights and what positions to outclass any 1800 diamond player that is below 75%) Just shows how easy it is to play terran right now, but good luck with zerg, only thing it is going to do for you is get you better for when you switch back to terran and make the zvt even worse for the Z
Except he's playing standard. To switch from T or P to Z is the hardest switch because their play styles and management is so different. So I don't think it's that weird that he's dropping that fast.
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What I find most interesting about all of this is the ranking. It's interesting to see him decline so dramatically. I'm an 800 diamond protoss, and have also made the switch to zerg. The difference between me and Morrow being I've never played an RTS matchmaking before SC2.
I've worked my way up from complete newbie in beta to somewhat competent now, a couple months after release. What I've noticed is that after switching twice now, is that I've stayed pretty much even in points and rank, while my Win/loss declines by a very small amount.
What I've concluded is that to get into and stay in diamond, all you need is a basic understanding of the game and it's mechanics, as any race. I think this means that only in diamond are you going to be able to match someones rank based on skill, anywhere below that there is probably going to be way too much random variance in play to get a proper measure. And that blizzards matchmaking system can clearly show the gap of skill in peoples play if you can drop 500 points in just a few days. I'm more interested in seeing how fast you can go back up in rank though. See how much is based on skill, and not grinding.
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On October 02 2010 10:49 Uncultured wrote:
What I find most interesting about all of this is the ranking. It's interesting to see him decline so dramatically. I'm an 800 diamond protoss, and have also made the switch to zerg. The difference between me and Morrow being I've never played an RTS matchmaking before SC2.
I've worked my way up from complete newbie in beta to somewhat competent now, a couple months after release. What I've noticed is that after switching twice now, is that I've stayed pretty much even in points and rank, while my Win/loss declines by a very small amount.
What I've concluded is that to get into and stay in diamond, all you need is a basic understanding of the game and it's mechanics, as any race. I think this means that only in diamond are you going to be able to match someones rank based on skill, anywhere below that there is probably going to be way too much random variance in play to get a proper measure. And that blizzards matchmaking system can clearly show the gap of skill in peoples play if you can drop 500 points in just a few days. I'm more interested in seeing how fast you can go back up in rank though. See how much is based on skill, and not grinding.
the difference is that he was #8 worldwide, so probably his elo is still so bizarre so he is still facing bizarre ppl ...
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most of those facts aren't facts... they're opinions.
edit: i wish you luck on your escapade, MorroW
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Yeah, ladder points doesnt mean shit. Its those hidden points that match you with other people.
And I think Morrow wants to actually learn the Zerg race, not play for win. Cos that would mean nothing to him. He wants to learn every aspect of Zerg in order to counter it better with his main terran or even make a switch to Zerg.
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I get some strange error when i try to download the files on duckload
Sorry, JQuery Lib not found 
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You didn't play with health bars on before? So you never focused down wounded units in a mass fight or pulled back your own units that were wounded?
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Nice MorroW! Respect to you!
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On October 02 2010 20:54 Maginor wrote:
You didn't play with health bars on before? So you never focused down wounded units in a mass fight or pulled back your own units that were wounded?
well u can still hold down alt, i had so u only see hp on selected units.
once u play alot of sc2 u will learn by heart which units are on low hp and so on without seeing hp bars over them
ofcourse i do this micro how else would i manage to win anything as terran^^
with terran it was alot better to play with hp bars off actually (my opinion ofcourse)
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Hey Stefan,
first of all congratulations for your decission to try another race, particulary Zerg. I guess it's trivial to point out, that it will widen and improve your understanding of the game. Like Katsumoto says in "The last Samurai": "I want to know my enemy". From this point alone, it would be worth it, even if you return to Terran (an as a Terran myself I can only say: "We will need you to stay!" ). But boy, couldn't you have picked a less painful way to do so? Do a little more practicing against AI and watch a few more replays before starting? Anyways, it's nice to see you enjoying the game and don't bother with such materialistic details like ladderpoints or match histories. It speaks for you being a big fighter going for higher aims. This and your mature reactions are honoring you and let one sense the high human potential you have. Hats of Sire.
Though (hehe!)... I think that you feel like you have to atone for your "sin of playing that race".
You point out the difficult mechanics of Zerg. They comprise of what exactly? I guess it's Queen management (1) and spreading creep (2). Do I miss out on something? Yes: you have to select larva to produce an unit (3). But let's look to what you get for that.
0. When you build an Building you sacrifice an Drone. Thats it, no way-points back to gatering. And you don't have to build Supplydepots, Pylons, with your Drones.
1. With 3 Hatcheries and 3 Queens, 1 on each of them, you can build (provided you have the minerals and gas and that you do your Queenrotation every 40 seconds) what? 21 Units in 40 seconds out of three production buildings (OK, 3 of the have to be Overlords for quite some time)? No need to decide reactor or tech lab or exchange the addons tossing your facilities around no need to chronoboost (the productiontime for zergunits is already quite low). Lets not speak about the extra cost for building all those production facilities, it's out of the scope of the difficulty of the mechanics.
2. Creep is an nice thing, isn't it. Besides the Queen, which unit of the Zerg is realy so slow, that it's needs Creep in despair? Hydralisk, some would say. Which is as fast as an unstimed Marine, Zealot whatever... The point: could it be that creep all over the place is rather an nice bonus besides for the Queen, for her to be enabled to defend in the early game against harrashment? (The same way that always larva inject timely is maybe also necessery rather in the early game, but after, let's say 40 drones, when the economy is runing smoothly the constant larva production is rather an enormous bost in the ability of the Zerg to produce units, compared to the other races and what the have to do, manage and spent to keep up with Zerg?)
3. Having to select larva is weighted up by the other races having to tab from one sort of production facilities to the other Barracks TAB Factories TAB Starport for Terran for example.
That's it. Dont have to contribute much more at the moment, and the thread isn't about ZvT, ZvP metagame. Might be, that I am missing out on something, since I touched Zerg only a little in vs AI games to learn a bit about the race, how their buildings look, how their units are produced.
I am your fan man (as much as my personality allows me to be a fan!) and keep smashing, with whatever race you decide to play.
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