EPTI think since there's no cross-region play, comparing ladder points across servers is a bit iffy, so it's probably best to state it as "73rd percentile in NA diamond."
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Authweight
United States304 Posts
I think since there's no cross-region play, comparing ladder points across servers is a bit iffy, so it's probably best to state it as "73rd percentile in NA diamond." | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On September 30 2010 06:35 Shikyo wrote: You can be like 700 point platinum and then promote to Diamond and be like 400 points but you'll still have lost all the bonus points from before and they're wasted. Am I right? No, you gain the entire accrued bonus pool for your new diamond league. It's not wasted it's given back as new bonus pool in diamond. | ||
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SpaceYeti
United States723 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:22 Authweight wrote: I like the idea of using percentiles, easy to understand, and sc2ranks makes it easy to find. I'm 73rd percentile diamond in NA, 70th percentile diamond world ranking. http://www.sc2ranks.com/team/3982028 I think since there's no cross-region play, comparing ladder points across servers is a bit iffy, so it's probably best to state it as "73rd percentile in NA diamond." Wow. A suggestion that actually makes sense.  Only problem here is that it doesn't account for your unspent bonus pool points from a period of inactivity. But maybe that's a good thing? | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12281 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:24 ZapRoffo wrote: No, you gain the entire accrued bonus pool for your new diamond league. It's not wasted it's given back as new bonus pool in diamond. Are you sure? That hasn't been the case in histories I've seen. You seem to get whatever consumed bonus pool you had carried over plus X points (probably wherever you land based on MMR), and you don't seem to get any bonus pool refunded. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:27 Excalibur_Z wrote: Are you sure? That hasn't been the case in histories I've seen. You seem to get whatever consumed bonus pool you had carried over plus X points (probably wherever you land based on MMR), and you don't seem to get any bonus pool refunded. But then this whole thing doesn't make sense, because people would start diamond with different amounts of bonus pool depending on how much they used before they got there... Oh unless you are saying your consumed bonus pool goes straight to your diamond points? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12281 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:31 ZapRoffo wrote: But then this whole thing doesn't make sense, because people would start diamond with different amounts of bonus pool depending on how much they used before they got there... Oh unless you are saying your consumed bonus pool goes straight to your diamond points? Yeah, that's what I meant. It goes straight to your new total. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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Orange Goblin
218 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:25 SpaceYeti wrote: Wow. A suggestion that actually makes sense. Only problem here is that it doesn't account for your unspent bonus pool points from a period of inactivity. But maybe that's a good thing? So, does anyone find any problems with this? No? Everyone in favour say aye! | ||
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ShoeFactory
United States186 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
Then the points would always be the same besides the inflation of top players due to there being a larger player pool. But seriously, we should have to rely on communities to add these things, it's something that should be in the game. | ||
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
On September 28 2010 00:14 Clearout wrote: Was pretty sure it stayed the same. E.g. I win 12 points, someone loses 12 points. If you have a ridiculous win rate though, you will climb higher, but if you end at 50% W/L you shouldnt increase in points. Edit: Sorry for derailing. OT: Thanks for this! I'll make use of it to get a general idea of my "skill" not true. I have a 56 w/l and I'm 1007 points | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12281 Posts
On September 30 2010 07:44 FabledIntegral wrote: This doesn't work because bonus pool more greatly affects people who haven't played as many games, unless MMR is 100% irrelevant of your displayed points. If it's completely irrelevant, then I guess, but I would imagine they are somehow somewhat even marginally linked. I don't understand. Everyone gets the same total bonus pool, the only difference is how much you've used. You can find this out by going to your profile page on the Battle.net website. Deducting consumed bonus pool from your current displayed rating shows your rating sans inflation (and remember inflation occurs at the same rate for everyone). | ||
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
The thread is misleading imo. The current ladder and ranks are not to show who is actually the best! Its a system for everybody to be happy. Low skilled players are able to get very high ratings and thats what blizzard wants. The system is working for them and they are not gonna change it. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 30 2010 08:01 Excalibur_Z wrote: I don't understand. Everyone gets the same total bonus pool, the only difference is how much you've used. You can find this out by going to your profile page on the Battle.net website. Deducting consumed bonus pool from your current displayed rating shows your rating sans inflation (and remember inflation occurs at the same rate for everyone). Just typed out a 3 paragraph explanation only to realize I'm kinda shaky on the foundations, so I could be completely full of shit. I understand what you're saying about the bonus pool, maybe in my free time I'll end up figuring out what I mean.... if I'm even correct. | ||
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link0
United States1071 Posts
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deverlight
Korea (South)463 Posts
My rating (in platinum) and bonus pool before the game that promoted me: Rating: 570 Bonus Pool: 602 Spent Bonus Pool (Total 919 at the time of playing): 317 My rating (in diamond) and bonus pool after the game that promoted me: Rating: 410 Bonus Pool: 562 Spent Bonus Pool (Total 919 at the time of playing): 357 Something strange to note... The game that got me the promotion gave me +40. Instead of the usual 20 points and 20 bonus pool points, it looks like ALL of the points I got were bonus pool points. I believe Excalibur_Z has the most logical explanation to the promotion system. My standardized rating immediately after promotion is 53 which is probably derived from my hidden MMR. I'm then awarded the bonus points that I'd spent til then (357) putting my rating at 410. I'm not refunded any bonus pool. This seems to make sense and is consistent with Excalibur_Z's findings in previous compilation posts. The only thing that would really throw a wrench in this would be if someone immediately after promotion had a standardized rating of less than 0. Also, following this theory someone who takes longer to be promoted than me (because their MMR hasn't stabilized to an acceptable level for promotion because an upper limit to their skill has not been found) should enter the league with a HIGHER standardized rating. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12281 Posts
On September 30 2010 09:38 deverlight wrote: So I went and grinded out my 4v4 random diamond promotion to try and get some data on how promotions work. My rating (in platinum) and bonus pool before the game that promoted me: Rating: 570 Bonus Pool: 602 Spent Bonus Pool (Total 919 at the time of playing): 317 My rating (in diamond) and bonus pool after the game that promoted me: Rating: 410 Bonus Pool: 562 Spent Bonus Pool (Total 919 at the time of playing): 357 Something strange to note... The game that got me the promotion gave me +40. Instead of the usual 20 points and 20 bonus pool points, it looks like ALL of the points I got were bonus pool points. I believe Excalibur_Z has the most logical explanation to the promotion system. My standardized rating immediately after promotion is 53 which is probably derived from my hidden MMR. I'm then awarded the bonus points that I'd spent til then (357) putting my rating at 410. I'm not refunded any bonus pool. This seems to make sense and is consistent with Excalibur_Z's findings in previous compilation posts. The only thing that would really throw a wrench in this would be if someone immediately after promotion had a standardized rating of less than 0. Also, following this theory someone who takes longer to be promoted than me (because their MMR hasn't stabilized to an acceptable level for promotion because an upper limit to their skill has not been found) should enter the league with a HIGHER standardized rating. When I got promoted into Diamond I also had 20 extra bonus points (I was supposed to win 20+20 from my last game) disappear from my bonus pool. It's probably a bug that may only be related to Diamond because the same thing happened to you, but that didn't happen to Vanick when he got promoted from Bronze to Silver. I asked Vanick to continue plotting his promotions after intentionally bombing his placement matches, so we'll see if extra bonus points disappear when he gets promoted again. | ||
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jaeds
United States106 Posts
was 941 the amount of bonus pool possible points up to that day? did it remove all other points i had accrued, even when playing diamond rated players and winning that weren't considered "bonus pool" point wins? maybe someone who gets this can fill me in or use this information to understand something better /confused (edit, wording) | ||
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PTZ.
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I however don't like it's inflating effect. | ||
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