IdrA Speaks On: Patch 1.1 - Page 17

On September 25 2010 01:10 DyEnasTy wrote:



Notice fellow players: Idra is not suggesting nerfing the heck out of terran. Rather he notes that the problem lies with zerg. Terran gets a bunch of nerfs then its T<P.

On September 25 2010 01:24 LittleeD wrote:


But with a bunch of Z buffs it will be Z>P?

But with a bunch of Z buffs it will be Z>P?

On September 25 2010 01:32 awesomoecalypse wrote:


PvT is balanced.
PvZ is not balanced.
TvZ is not balanced.

Buffing Zerg could fix the latter two problems without wrecking PvT. Excessively nerfing either Terran or Toss to fix one of their zerg matchups would screw with PvT balance.

Buffing Zerg is the answer.

PvT is balanced.

They need to change Zerg. They have a very strong late game and a horrible early. That's what they must change imo

not really, mid game is horribly imbalanced. (favors T ofc)

On September 25 2010 01:32 awesomoecalypse wrote:


PvT is balanced.
PvZ is not balanced.
TvZ is not balanced.

Buffing Zerg could fix the latter two problems without wrecking PvT. Excessively nerfing either Terran or Toss to fix one of their zerg matchups would screw with PvT balance.

Buffing Zerg is the answer.

this isn't really true though.

I mean, for low and mid-level players sure, dealing with those mid-game Marauder pushes is an absoltue bitch.

But watch pro-level PvT, and it generally seems that whoever plays better wins. This has been born out by the success of Protoss in high level tournaments around the world--there might be more Terrans, but the Toss players do just as well as the Terran ones do.

Since the game needs to be balanced around the highest levels of play (i.e. pros), there is no issue.

In contrast, in both Zerg matchups the Zerg player can outplay their opponent but still consistently lose, even at the pro level.

On September 25 2010 01:39 PaPoolee wrote:
buff roaches a bit, move them to tier 2... nerf hydras and move them to tier 1 that should fix a lot of problems blizzard!

On September 24 2010 23:58 awesomoecalypse wrote:
I think 3 fairly straightforward buffs would more or less fix Zerg, and they don't require anything crazily drastic like "bring back lurkers or scourges" or something.

1.) Buff creep tumors. Zerg is utterly reliant on creep, which at the moment limits their aggressiveness, and can even make defending a base against harassment in the early game too difficult because units like reapers and hellions can just dance on and off the creep.

Typically, everyone suggests that the answer to this is to buff off-creep speed, especially for units like Hyrdas, Roaches or Queens.

But what if instead, they simply made creep tumors more powerful? What if one creep tumor spread as much creep as 2 tumors currently do, and at the same rate? This would solve a number of problems:

Defending a base vs. harassment--it would be trivially easy to get down enough creep early on to make dancing on and off creep all but impossible. Queens could easily get around the entire base, Roaches wouldn't be left in the dust without their speed upgrade, and Zerglings could get a surround much more easily.

Using Hydralisks aggressively - Hydras' speed is fine on creep. The issue is that getting creep when and where you want it to be aggressive is currently very difficult. If creep was much easier to spread, it would be significantly easier to use Hydras as offensive units. To a lesser extent, Queens could also be used offensively--but without enablign the early game mass Queen rushes that were broken in beta.

Staying a base ahead - Zerg are constantly adding bases, and currently when they do, there is a much longer window where defending that base is difficult until they've built a creep highway. This would help with that.

2.) Buff Overlord speed - Overlords are slow as hell, and even after the speed upgrade are still slower than medivacs. This makes them ineffective, both as scouts, and as dropships. If Overlords were faster--say, as fast unupgraded as they currently are with the speed upgrade, and faster than medivacs if they did get the upgrade--it would vastly improve both scouting and mobility. Early game scouting wouldn't necessarily requiring sacrificing an Overlord, as they would be fast enough to get in and get out before being shot down by a single marine. And late game scouting, while it would likely require sacricicing an Overlord, at least that Overlord would be fast enough to get deep into the base to see valuable information.

Zerg is reactive race. Thats fine, except they need the ability to get that information in order to react. Buffing Overlord speed would fix that.

3.) Take the time limit off NP. As it currently stands, its useless, which sucks because its the ideal counter to some units which are currently way too difficult to counter with early and mid game tech, i.e. Thors and Colossi. Unlimited NP would give Zerg an effective counter, and force Terran and Toss players to actually micro those units, work to defend them, and try to bring down the infestor before an NP turns their heavy units against their own army.

3 seemingly minor buffs. None of them would change the way Zerg fundamentally plays. None of them involve adding new units or abilities. None of them, really, even involves a straight power buff like "make Roaches tougher" or anything. They are subtle tweaks.

Yet I believe if they were instituted, it could absolutely alter the way Zerg plays, and make them far better in all stages of the game.