EPTBut martyring yourself by saying "I'll probably get banned for having a non-majority favored opinion backed with actual information." is. We always, always, always ban for martyrs.
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Manifesto7
Osaka27157 Posts
But martyring yourself by saying "I'll probably get banned for having a non-majority favored opinion backed with actual information." is. We always, always, always ban for martyrs. | ||
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viraltouch
United States299 Posts
I should be banned because I don't agree with you? no your points are just wrong. cool is probably one of the top rated zergs in the world and probably one of the person you thought were doing well as you stated. but this discussion has nothing to do with ego. and now you are bringing how forumgoers at TL are bunch of fanboy garbage and that mods are dicks? wow you must not have many friends. | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
Can you post a replay of TLO playing zerg? Now that his out of GSL and he doesnt play zerg as a main, im sure he wouldnt mind if you reveal his amazing zerg play that you said you think everyone should be able to see=) | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:45 sputnik.theory wrote: I don't mean to go too offtopic but from the limited amount of games I've seen I'm not surprised that Cool loses 90% of his games vs ssKs and Clyde. Those guys are such amazing players and Cool is 'just' great. Cool was at the top of the ladder in phase 2 beta when he played Random. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:52 EAGER-beaver wrote: When I play zerg it feels like regardless of what a P or T does, if I don't counter perfectly with timing, unit comp,positioning and scouting, I lose. There are no offensive options either, zerg is always in turtle econo mode. This combined with how easy it is for terran to deny overlord scouts before lair, makes it a coinflip in the first 5 minutes whether you blind countered correctly, THEN you have to have perfect macro and micro for 30 minutes until the terran fizzles out. It's the same, although to a lesser degree (easier to scout atleast) versus protoss. So frustrating. 50% coinflip followed by half an hour of running your head into a brick wall is good fun. | ||
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
Remove Kulas, DO and Delta Quadrant from map pool. Add 2 or 3 maps with BW-esque rush distances (most SC2 maps have 10-15 sec shorter rush times than BW pro maps) and you'll see Zerg win rate increase by at least 5%. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On topic: I really really REALLY hope this was just some temporary rage from Cool. I know we're weak right now and I partially hope that every single Top Zerg switches to Terran just to show people that something needs to be done about Zerg quickly, but in the end I really don't want that to happen. I want to download replays and be happy when the Zerg wins with some imba move. I want to watch GSL and root for every single Zerg player in there, doesn't even matter if I've never heard of them before. I don't want to watch 7 TvTs and 1 TvTester in the Ro16. Plus, when these Zerg players pull hardcore training right now, they might have a real advantage once Blizzard changes something bigger and actually balances things a little bit out. Then they will dominated, instead of just being one of the x Terrans who is up there because well, he's Terran. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:45 sputnik.theory wrote: I don't mean to go too offtopic but from the limited amount of games I've seen I'm not surprised that Cool loses 90% of his games vs ssKs and Clyde. Those guys are such amazing players and Cool is 'just' great. If you admit to having very little knowledge about the situation, why comment? | ||
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Instigata
United States546 Posts
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:00 Instigata wrote: anyone have some numbers for tournament 1st placers since the launch? i seen mlg raleigh and it was top 3 toss. what about some others? Here on the site: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/index.php?section=sc2-international&type=individual&tabulator_page=2&tabulator_order_col=0&tabulator_order_desc=1&tabulator_search=#tblt-12406-1-0-DESC | ||
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noD
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:00 Instigata wrote: anyone have some numbers for tournament 1st placers since the launch? i seen mlg raleigh and it was top 3 toss. what about some others? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=152533 Theres that guys evidence that backs him up so well. All those zergs up there at the top are making this egomaniac cool look bad. | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
I really hope that does not happen. My hope is that Blizzard gives something (or multiple things) to Zerg to catch them up with T and P. Either by switching around hydra and roach tech levels (hydra at tier 1.5, roach at tier 2) and changing their numbers accordingly, by giving them a unit (scourge or lurkers would help so much) or by adding/changing spells, like on the infestor. Just something that gives Zerg an extra THING to deal with T and P. I really don't want to see this game reduced down to nerfing the races that are interesting to even them out with the uninteresting races. | ||
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Ksyper
Bulgaria665 Posts
With terran you can just attack and sometimes you might win, with zerg you need to do a lot more things, but I like it that way. I enjoy the fact that it's hard and one day when everything is 33% 33% 33% I will be really good  | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:45 Half wrote: Again, not sure what you imagine by completely redesign, probably something which is not implied (like, new unit models, voice actors, story, music, distribution, UI, server, etc). Experimenting with numbers doesn't require all that. How long do you think it would take to completely redesign multiplayer? If the answer is over a month, then its already multimillion. On September 24 2010 08:45 Half wrote: What would you propose?Look I honestly dont even get how anyone could think that a complete balance overhaul would solve anything. | ||
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:43 Shaozor wrote: If you're winning only 50% of your games you're only going to win 50% of your games. I don't even understand how you can argue that point LOL. Practicing and losing 90% of his games is a different story... unless he is having a bad day or a few days and losing is a result of some other stress. It's already been proven there are other real-life factors resulting in bad/good gameplay. Players in the top 200 can expect to have a greatly higher than 50% win ratio on ladder. Your first post is so ignorant. There are so many top level zerg players complaining, and your post defends this by saying these complaining players are doing well. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 24 2010 08:59 Teddyman wrote: Looks like this Zerg *puts on sunglasses* lost his cool. I hate you and love you at the same time... This is sad news, and it is interesting to see this coming from a Korean Zerg. Whenever people claimed that Korean Zergs were dominating, it made me wonder if it was the Zergs that were great or the Ts and Ps that hadn't caught up. | ||
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Moa
United States790 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:00 Instigata wrote: anyone have some numbers for tournament 1st placers since the launch? i seen mlg raleigh and it was top 3 toss. what about some others? This thread has what you are looking for I believe. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=152533 It is sad that some people are turning their backs on Zerg and sad that blizzard appears to have turned its back on the plight of the Zerg. Even if they balance the game numbers wise it will still be unbalanced from a gameplay perspective where Zerg players simply need to put more work in to play at a high level due to creep spread and larvae spitting. I wouldn't mind this personally but it feels like with these mechanics we gain no real advantage, we simply remove the disadvantage we have. What I find most interesting is the insistence that some people have on the viability of Zerg in the Korean playstyle and this counter-example. It seems like cool turning his back on the Zerg could be a good thing because the last bastion of the "Zerg is fine" people was that Koreans were doing fine with the race but that has been shown by the GSL to be untrue. I hope that Blizzard sees this and realizes that regardless of playstyle Zerg is the weakest race. An example of this is hydralisk speed, they are so incredibly slow off creep that some players are convinced that they cannot be used for an aggressive purpose. I believe that they can only be used to a hyper aggressive or hyper defensive purpose because if you send them in to combat off of creep either they kill your enemy or they die, there is no turning back. With creep they have the ability to disengage which every single other analogous (infantry) unit in the game has regardless of the presence of creep. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:06 jcarlsoniv wrote: I hate you and love you at the same time... This is sad news, and it is interesting to see this coming from a Korean Zerg. Whenever people claimed that Korean Zergs were dominating, it made me wonder if it was the Zergs that were great or the Ts and Ps that hadn't caught up. People who claimed that basically had no clue what was going on, and were just repeating rumors they heard during phase 1 of beta. It has been the consensus in Korea that Z is a good deal weaker than P and T. | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:06 jcarlsoniv wrote: I hate you and love you at the same time... This is sad news, and it is interesting to see this coming from a Korean Zerg. Whenever people claimed that Korean Zergs were dominating, it made me wonder if it was the Zergs that were great or the Ts and Ps that hadn't caught up. It was never true. The Korean Zerg were better than NA/Euro Zerg, but their Terran and Protoss are also better. So it was just a weak one-sided argument. | ||
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