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On September 24 2010 06:02 Dagobert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 05:49 Recidivist should have written: Give Zerg a cliff-abusing unit. I second this notion. Just give lings the T1 upgrade 'webbing', allowing them to use their crippled winglike things to jump up and down cliffs.
Lets be fair, that may be a little too strong.
155 lings running right into someones base like a reaper?
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On September 24 2010 05:57 Pekkz wrote:
Sjow is a 90 apm terran, who was only decent at wc3. Now his winning multiple tournaments in sc2. Can someone tell me why him, why do Sjow win more tournaments then any other zerg, why is he better, more skilled, smarter?
Give me example of a zerg with no high ranking in sc bw / wc3 , who has less then 100 apm, and has made it even to a quarter final of any tournament. GL finding one.
Sad but so true. And I'm sayin this as a mostly terran player... There are some really mediocre players who are quite succesful and guess what? Everyone of them seems to be a terran. There are no Zerg overachievers whatsoever.
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I love how Nazgul, a professional level Starcraft 2 player comes into a thread with a fairly reasonable view of learning curve vs. balance, and immediately is shot down by many players citing zerg player rage.
Please take the argument into consideration before immediate disagreement in order to state that zerg is weak, and terran is imbalanced.
I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed.
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It just seems that the terran army composition is too perfect. Every terran unit hard counters some other unit. If you throw several different units together, they counter everything...
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Ahahaha. Sorry, it's so cute. Cool is so natural and pure. Believe him, if he says zerg doesn't work, it doesn't work. Cool is not the kind of guy to react this way without a VERY serious reason.
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On September 24 2010 06:04 DeckOneBell wrote:
I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed.
I do as well, but we went almost 2 months without any changes, and now it seems the changes still hardly did anything.
Zerg is the weakest. I'm suprised anyone can deny that. And it seems that Zerg is going to go even longer(Maybe another 2 months -_-) without ANY help.
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Creep tumors should gain one armor each time they are hit (or maybe just start with 10 armor) so you have to bring something that does a bunch of damage per hit to actually kill them. Maybe increase their HP a bit too so that such an effect could actually be useful. This would fit in with Zerg's history with high-armor/defenseless eggs and larva
I love how Nazgul, a professional level Starcraft 2 player comes into a thread with a fairly reasonable view of learning curve vs. balance, and immediately is shot down by many players citing zerg player rage.
Please take the argument into consideration before immediate disagreement in order to state that zerg is weak, and terran is imbalanced.
I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed.
Did you even read the responses to him? Several of them are calm and well-thought-out.
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On September 24 2010 06:04 DeckOneBell wrote: I love how Nazgul, a professional level Starcraft 2 player comes into a thread with a fairly reasonable view of learning curve vs. balance, and immediately is shot down by many players citing zerg player rage.
Please take the argument into consideration before immediate disagreement in order to state that zerg is weak, and terran is imbalanced.
I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed. Don't you know? If things aren't balanced by next week SC2 is dead.
Obviously imbalance is a bad thing but man you'd think the sky is falling. Okay, say all the Zerg players switch. Blizzard goes 'oh noes no more zerg players noooo' and makes more severe changes. Change ensues. ???
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On September 24 2010 06:03 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2010 06:02 MrGrieves- wrote: It makes me sad that there will be a lot, lot more TvT's at the next GSL.
I can't blame them for switching though. They do this for a living and of course they'll switch to the race that gives them the chance to win the most.
I wish them luck but I hope they come back to the swarm when Blizzard implements some real changes and not 1.1 garbage. Why is everyone talking about terran. Theres been alot of PvP in GSL aswell, and if you ask me, i think ZvP is harder then ZvT.
PvP doesn't tend to drag out like TvT that's why I say that. I don't mind watching PvP's, but TvT's tend to drag into the same extended tank battle most of the time.
Not the most exciting spectating when I'm trying to stay awake at 3am you know?
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On September 24 2010 06:04 DeckOneBell wrote: I love how Nazgul, a professional level Starcraft 2 player comes into a thread with a fairly reasonable view of learning curve vs. balance, and immediately is shot down by many players citing zerg player rage.
Please take the argument into consideration before immediate disagreement in order to state that zerg is weak, and terran is imbalanced.
I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed. It's not an argument that hasn't been heard before. It's the same one that's been repeated over and over already that is Zerg players need to be perfect at the game before they can cry imbalance. That's an utterly fallacious argument. Imbalance exists whether or not Zerg players are playing perfectly and to many people, it's very clear that Zerg needs help in both ZvP and ZvT.
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Don't forget Dropships required a control tower (tech lab equivilant) to even begin building, so that's another extension to its build time. New starport can start pumping out medivacs as soon as it completes.
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Its sad yeh, but you cant blame Blizzard for it though. Its their game so they could basicly do whatever they want with it. They dont have any responsibilities to make it perfectly balanced just like that, its for the players to adept simple as that.
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i wonder how blizzard ( the company who obviously created broodwar ), can mess up stuff like this. for example the medivac thingy, why it hast to come out earlier?
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this is so annoying, as a P player I dont share the pain you Z guys are, but I love Z and it's really a terrible shame to think that the top Zs are thinking of seriously switching races. FIX THIS BLIZZARD!!!!
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On September 24 2010 06:04 DeckOneBell wrote: I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed.
But is it hard to understand that Zerg-players feel differently?
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On September 24 2010 06:12 LittleeD wrote: Its sad yeh, but you cant blame Blizzard for it though. Its their game so they could basicly do whatever they want with it. They dont have any responsibilities to make it perfectly balanced just like that, its for the players to adept simple as that.
quite the opposite. And in fact its a good thing for Blizzard that players are still raging about the game... they could do the opposite: stop caring, and there goes Blizzard's profit down the drain...
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yes it is hard to understand, cause in Terrans and Tosses world the grass is green, the skyes are blue and the people are peaceful and happy. in zergs world, its all dark, little kids running down the streets burning and screaming "mummy"!"!!!!" while their babysitters steal their money
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Would be tragic, but what are you gonna do really. If it's that frustrating and annoying then may as well I guess.
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I really like the idea of scourge. Medivac is a greatly improved dropship and yet zerg's key unit to counter it has been removed. It's just weird.
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