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Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
September 23 2010 21:03 GMT
#581
On September 24 2010 06:02 Dagobert wrote:
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On September 24 2010 05:49 Recidivist should have written:
Give Zerg a cliff-abusing unit.

I second this notion. Just give lings the T1 upgrade 'webbing', allowing them to use their crippled winglike things to jump up and down cliffs.


Lets be fair, that may be a little too strong.

155 lings running right into someones base like a reaper?
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
September 23 2010 21:03 GMT
#582
On September 24 2010 05:57 Pekkz wrote:

Sjow is a 90 apm terran, who was only decent at wc3. Now his winning multiple tournaments in sc2. Can someone tell me why him, why do Sjow win more tournaments then any other zerg, why is he better, more skilled, smarter?

Give me example of a zerg with no high ranking in sc bw / wc3 , who has less then 100 apm, and has made it even to a quarter final of any tournament. GL finding one.


Sad but so true. And I'm sayin this as a mostly terran player...
There are some really mediocre players who are quite succesful and guess what? Everyone of them seems to be a terran. There are no Zerg overachievers whatsoever.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
September 23 2010 21:04 GMT
#583
Wow, I didn't realize that dropships cost the same resources (there was no reactors as well) and took longer to build than a medivac:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Dropship
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Medvac

Medivac vs Dropship:
Pros:
Healing
Can build from Starport with reactor
Can hold marauders (LOL)

Cons:
FUUUUUUUU
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
DeckOneBell
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
September 23 2010 21:04 GMT
#584
I love how Nazgul, a professional level Starcraft 2 player comes into a thread with a fairly reasonable view of learning curve vs. balance, and immediately is shot down by many players citing zerg player rage.

Please take the argument into consideration before immediate disagreement in order to state that zerg is weak, and terran is imbalanced.

I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed.
yesplz
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States295 Posts
September 23 2010 21:04 GMT
#585
It just seems that the terran army composition is too perfect. Every terran unit hard counters some other unit. If you throw several different units together, they counter everything...
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
September 23 2010 21:04 GMT
#586
Ahahaha. Sorry, it's so cute. Cool is so natural and pure. Believe him, if he says zerg doesn't work, it doesn't work. Cool is not the kind of guy to react this way without a VERY serious reason.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
September 23 2010 21:06 GMT
#587
On September 24 2010 06:04 DeckOneBell wrote:

I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed.


I do as well, but we went almost 2 months without any changes, and now it seems the changes still hardly did anything.

Zerg is the weakest. I'm suprised anyone can deny that. And it seems that Zerg is going to go even longer(Maybe another 2 months -_-) without ANY help.
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 21:12:00
September 23 2010 21:06 GMT
#588
Creep tumors should gain one armor each time they are hit (or maybe just start with 10 armor) so you have to bring something that does a bunch of damage per hit to actually kill them. Maybe increase their HP a bit too so that such an effect could actually be useful. This would fit in with Zerg's history with high-armor/defenseless eggs and larva

I love how Nazgul, a professional level Starcraft 2 player comes into a thread with a fairly reasonable view of learning curve vs. balance, and immediately is shot down by many players citing zerg player rage.

Please take the argument into consideration before immediate disagreement in order to state that zerg is weak, and terran is imbalanced.

I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed.


Did you even read the responses to him? Several of them are calm and well-thought-out.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
September 23 2010 21:07 GMT
#589
On September 24 2010 06:04 DeckOneBell wrote:
I love how Nazgul, a professional level Starcraft 2 player comes into a thread with a fairly reasonable view of learning curve vs. balance, and immediately is shot down by many players citing zerg player rage.

Please take the argument into consideration before immediate disagreement in order to state that zerg is weak, and terran is imbalanced.

I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed.

Don't you know? If things aren't balanced by next week SC2 is dead.

Obviously imbalance is a bad thing but man you'd think the sky is falling. Okay, say all the Zerg players switch. Blizzard goes 'oh noes no more zerg players noooo' and makes more severe changes. Change ensues. ???
MrGrieves-
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada23 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 21:09:18
September 23 2010 21:08 GMT
#590
On September 24 2010 06:03 Pekkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 06:02 MrGrieves- wrote:
It makes me sad that there will be a lot, lot more TvT's at the next GSL.

I can't blame them for switching though. They do this for a living and of course they'll switch to the race that gives them the chance to win the most.

I wish them luck but I hope they come back to the swarm when Blizzard implements some real changes and not 1.1 garbage.


Why is everyone talking about terran. Theres been alot of PvP in GSL aswell, and if you ask me, i think ZvP is harder then ZvT.


PvP doesn't tend to drag out like TvT that's why I say that. I don't mind watching PvP's, but TvT's tend to drag into the same extended tank battle most of the time.

Not the most exciting spectating when I'm trying to stay awake at 3am you know?
arsenic
Profile Joined January 2009
United States163 Posts
September 23 2010 21:10 GMT
#591
On September 24 2010 06:04 DeckOneBell wrote:
I love how Nazgul, a professional level Starcraft 2 player comes into a thread with a fairly reasonable view of learning curve vs. balance, and immediately is shot down by many players citing zerg player rage.

Please take the argument into consideration before immediate disagreement in order to state that zerg is weak, and terran is imbalanced.

I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed.

It's not an argument that hasn't been heard before. It's the same one that's been repeated over and over already that is Zerg players need to be perfect at the game before they can cry imbalance. That's an utterly fallacious argument. Imbalance exists whether or not Zerg players are playing perfectly and to many people, it's very clear that Zerg needs help in both ZvP and ZvT.
MrGrieves-
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada23 Posts
September 23 2010 21:12 GMT
#592
On September 24 2010 06:04 MoreFasho wrote:
Wow, I didn't realize that dropships cost the same resources (there was no reactors as well) and took longer to build than a medivac:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Dropship
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Medvac

Medivac vs Dropship:
Pros:
Healing
Can build from Starport with reactor
Can hold marauders (LOL)

Cons:
FUUUUUUUU


Don't forget Dropships required a control tower (tech lab equivilant) to even begin building, so that's another extension to its build time. New starport can start pumping out medivacs as soon as it completes.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
September 23 2010 21:12 GMT
#593
Its sad yeh, but you cant blame Blizzard for it though. Its their game so they could basicly do whatever they want with it. They dont have any responsibilities to make it perfectly balanced just like that, its for the players to adept simple as that.
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iNty.sCream
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany195 Posts
September 23 2010 21:13 GMT
#594
i wonder how blizzard ( the company who obviously created broodwar ), can mess up stuff like this. for example the medivac thingy, why it hast to come out earlier?
Bisu best hairspray = win
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
September 23 2010 21:13 GMT
#595
this is so annoying, as a P player I dont share the pain you Z guys are, but I love Z and it's really a terrible shame to think that the top Zs are thinking of seriously switching races. FIX THIS BLIZZARD!!!!
TLO FIGHTING | me all in, he drone drone drone, me win - SK.MC | JINROLLED! | KraToss for the win
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
September 23 2010 21:14 GMT
#596
On September 24 2010 06:04 DeckOneBell wrote:
I much prefer a slow rate of experimental change that Blizzard seems to have employed.


But is it hard to understand that Zerg-players feel differently?
https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief
okrane
Profile Joined April 2010
France265 Posts
September 23 2010 21:16 GMT
#597
On September 24 2010 06:12 LittleeD wrote:
Its sad yeh, but you cant blame Blizzard for it though. Its their game so they could basicly do whatever they want with it. They dont have any responsibilities to make it perfectly balanced just like that, its for the players to adept simple as that.


quite the opposite. And in fact its a good thing for Blizzard that players are still raging about the game... they could do the opposite: stop caring, and there goes Blizzard's profit down the drain...
Really disappointed with Starcraft II Zerg! :(
iNty.sCream
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany195 Posts
September 23 2010 21:16 GMT
#598
yes it is hard to understand, cause in Terrans and Tosses world the grass is green, the skyes are blue and the people are peaceful and happy. in zergs world, its all dark, little kids running down the streets burning and screaming "mummy"!"!!!!" while their babysitters steal their money
Bisu best hairspray = win
Tone_
Profile Joined May 2009
United Kingdom554 Posts
September 23 2010 21:16 GMT
#599
Would be tragic, but what are you gonna do really. If it's that frustrating and annoying then may as well I guess.
Hasta La Victoria Siempre | 톤
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
September 23 2010 21:17 GMT
#600
I really like the idea of scourge. Medivac is a greatly improved dropship and yet zerg's key unit to counter it has been removed. It's just weird.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
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