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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On September 24 2010 02:24 Toadily wrote: can't say i'm surprised at all, i'm not sure if roaches back to 1 supply would even break even at this point It wouldn't because marauders own roaches so hard. I think fixing zerg would require a new unit or two. | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 24 2010 05:24 superbabosheki wrote: Maybe for a few years, what the hell are they going to do after? Well, fortunately for bw progamers, they play through their prime when their prime age is around 15-20. Then when they are done, they have a good amount of money, they can go back to school and easily proceed onto some sort of trade if they wish. Compare this to physical sports, where tons of players end up not making as much money as they can really support, because they are quite a bit older, and then they can't go back to school as easily because of their age. | ||
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zimms
Austria561 Posts
On September 24 2010 05:30 The Touch wrote: Arguably a steeper learning curve is an imbalance of sorts. If zerg really is more difficult to learn, and if executing the right tactics requires more awareness and skill, then the case can be made that changes are due; either to make zerg simpler or the other races more complex. I don't really agree with you on this one. Yet of course it's important on what level this "imbalance" exists. I think everyone agrees that in BW Terran was the most difficult to learn to play effectively, but that didn't matter on higher levels of play. SC2 is so young, that even the pros haven't figured it out yet. And to avoid the flames, I agree that zerg needs improvement. I just wanted to add this comment to your view of imbalance. | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On September 24 2010 05:33 Disastorm wrote: This is a fact 100%, any 1200 point zerg player has incredibly good game sense about timings, build orders, counters, micro, macro, apm, strategy, everything. I've played 1400 or 1500 terrans which are garbage, even have seen 1400 elo rank 1 diamond terran who just goes 5 racks mass marines with reactors as their entire build and get owned by speed banelings. I don't think anyone can argue that many Terrans who are high diamond/near the top of ladder have no actual skill and are only there because they play Terran :/ | ||
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Zach_Attack
United States13 Posts
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KamuL
United States154 Posts
On September 24 2010 05:30 The Touch wrote: Arguably a steeper learning curve is an imbalance of sorts. If zerg really is more difficult to learn, and if executing the right tactics requires more awareness and skill, then the case can be made that changes are due; either to make zerg simpler or the other races more complex. Terran/Zerg were 10x harder in sc1 to learn than protoss, until it got to the top levels, then protoss became the hardest? | ||
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
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old
United States15 Posts
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KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
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Incanus
Canada695 Posts
The maps play a huge part of this imbalance / frustration. Island expansions, tons of cliffs overlooking natural expansions, small chokes, etc. only make it harder for zerg, while there is really nothing to compensate. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On September 24 2010 05:22 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Nobody still has a clue about learning curves of the races. It's hard enough to find balance in RTS but to control the learning curves of 3 different games (races) this complicated to be similar is pretty much impossible. How hard is basic control for tank/marauder, now compare it to how hard it is to control the correct counter ling/infestor. Clearly Zerg needs more time to reach its max than Terran does. That and every Zerg out there still doesn't creep properly. You see top level Zergs not getting multiple tumors at all times in the game, not getting overlord speed. Why complain about unit strength when you aren't getting the number one upgrade for your units (creep) in the whole game. This is just puzzling. There may or may not be balance issues, but let's start with these things. It's like Terrans forgetting concussive shells and siege mode every game they play. Creep spread is simply a lot harder to pull off than just pressing an upgrade button, but that brings us back to not knowing the learning curves of each race, which is not the same as imbalance. because... you spread creep for 5 minutes and then it all dies in 20 seconds. The only way spreading creep would make sense would be if the zerg was able to hold the edges of the creep which it cant. Also if the balance is so fragile and all that shit why not revert back to the times when roach was 1 food? Everyone is so brave only when its not their race that's in the gutter. | ||
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bakedace
United States672 Posts
On September 24 2010 03:57 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I have actually played a zerg or two who did a more normal infestor build, and it was tough, especially as it comes as a total surprise when you expect mutas (or roaches) from like everyone. You hit it right on the head. Zerg do not use mass infestor because its only going to work on surprise. Not to mention you become SO vulnerable early-mid game. you practically need muta or mass baneling to stay alive versus a terran right now. | ||
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Martinni
Canada169 Posts
Right now the big problem in ZvT for me is early game, if I can survive the baneling drop and burrowed baneling really put me at the advantage. | ||
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Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
Also the corrupter is incredible retarded unit that costs more then muta, but only works decent against one unit in the game, collosus. | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
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Silvanus_Invictus
Austria7 Posts
On September 24 2010 05:36 Zach_Attack wrote: [...] It would be interesting to see a buffed roach moved to tier 2 and a nerfed hydra to 1.5. this sounds so awesome, but there is just no way blizz is goin to integrate stuff like this into patches in the near future :S I see big Zerg changes with HotS, but hell... it's so freakin' long till this is going to be released | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On September 24 2010 02:54 SeaSmoke wrote: Nooooooo fruitseller...! One of our finest generals... I agree dropships are a pain in the ass to handle. But how would you fix that? Make them more expensive? Nerf healing? How about nerf capacity? Maybe split up the Medivac in Medic and Dropship again? So no Bio Terran has Dropships available, just because they have to build their bio healing unit anyway. So if they wanna drop they have to invest ressources in a drop unit instead of getting it for free. Or is this too BW like? | ||
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
On September 24 2010 05:41 Sfydjklm wrote: because... you spread creep for 5 minutes and then it all dies in 20 seconds. The only way spreading creep would make sense would be if the zerg was able to hold the edges of the creep which it cant. Also if the balance is so fragile and all that shit why not revert back to the times when roach was 1 food? Everyone is so brave only when its not their race that's in the gutter. Indeed, it hard to do perfect macro and on top of that creep spread, then to see 20 tumors get killed in 30 seconds. I can't explain why exactly, but i'm so so so mad at blizzard at the moment | ||
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