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iNty.sCream
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany195 Posts
September 23 2010 20:12 GMT
#501
On September 24 2010 05:10 Mearis wrote:
Maybe this 'cool' guy should take a page from the korean zergs, zerg dominates the ladder in korea.


obvious troll is obvious
gtfo #2

User was warned for this post
Bisu best hairspray = win
In1t4themoney
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany77 Posts
September 23 2010 20:13 GMT
#502
Problem with zerglings is that they dumbasslike move around the opponent instead of attacking something they could actually hit. Even 24/7 korean progamers cant micro that properly
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Hozer
Profile Joined May 2010
United States18 Posts
September 23 2010 20:14 GMT
#503
With regards to everyone saying Zerg need to just play more and not complain, I have to disagree. If so many of these high ranking Zergs who are better and more skilled/knowledgeable than most everyone are all playing tons of games and coming to the same conclusion, then it probably isn't them just being lazy or not creative, there seems to be an inherent problem with the race. Don't you think that each of these lifetime Zerg players is trying as hard as they can to be the one to figure out the strategies that would overcome the seeming impossible odds and dominate the ladder? I'm sure every single one of them would choose that over switching races solely to stay competitive.
partysnatcher
Profile Joined August 2010
156 Posts
September 23 2010 20:14 GMT
#504
On September 24 2010 05:12 billyX333 wrote:
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i hope this guy is meta-trolling me


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dude he just magic boxed you in the face with his nydus. btw banelings are imba

iNty.sCream
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany195 Posts
September 23 2010 20:15 GMT
#505
On September 24 2010 05:14 partysnatcher wrote:
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On September 24 2010 05:12 billyX333 wrote:
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i hope this guy is meta-trolling me


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dude he just magic boxed you in the face with his nydus. btw banelings are imba



XD
Bisu best hairspray = win
Mearis
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy76 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 20:17:03
September 23 2010 20:15 GMT
#506
the sarcasm in my post apparently wasn't obvious enough ><

holy shit, even a mod fell for it? really?
Suikakuju
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany238 Posts
September 23 2010 20:16 GMT
#507
We have to face it! Zerg is broken in Sc2
Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone.
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
September 23 2010 20:18 GMT
#508
On September 24 2010 05:15 Mearis wrote:
the sarcasm in my post apparently wasn't obvious enough ><

holy shit, even a mod fell for it? really?

if you had 5,000 posts i wouldve seen it as a joke and laughed, sorry
it would have been funnier if there werent so many ppl that make statements like yours while actually being serious
snpnx
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany454 Posts
September 23 2010 20:18 GMT
#509
So many people that hate on Blizzard here have clearly no idea at all what software development is. Give them a year, then come back and whine, if it's still as bad as now, regarding the balance.

You ask why they don't patch more drastically?

If they want to balance the game, they should not risk patches that break the game in another way when they are supposed to fix something. In a game with so many variables like SC, you just can't fix A LOT OF THINGS at once, you have to fix it little by little, even if it means continued imbalance.

And regarding all those people crying about the "time" it takes Blizzard to patch:

This is software development. 2 month time is nothing, even for a game patch. Stop complaining about things you don't even have the slightest knowledge about. You can argue that Blizzard shouldn't aim for an expansion already, or that they were too eager to bring the game out, but writing that you're "disappointed at Blizzard because they don't care" 2 months after release just shows that you don't have any idea how software development works.

(also, people still comparing SC2 to SC:BW in balance terms, this is just ridiculous..)
"Language is Freeware, in that it's free to use, but it's not Open Source, so you can't just change things how you like."
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 20:19:26
September 23 2010 20:19 GMT
#510
On September 24 2010 05:14 partysnatcher wrote:
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On September 24 2010 05:12 billyX333 wrote:
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i hope this guy is meta-trolling me


+ Show Spoiler +
dude he just magic boxed you in the face with his nydus. btw banelings are imba



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banelings are imba, the thing is terran is more imba
I'll call Nada.
Splinter
Profile Joined July 2003
United States188 Posts
September 23 2010 20:19 GMT
#511
PrinceXizor, I watch your stream often and am a fan of your play, but TBH a lot of the Ts you play don't seem to be very good. I sincerely hope that your play style continues to be viable as you face stronger and smarter Ts, but I'm not sure that it will.

A T3 consume upgrade for Infestors is an interesting idea, as it would allow continued Infestor use while leaving the player with more gas for an army. One thing to note though is Infestor spells are cheaper than defiler spells, so the energy gained from consume would have to be adjusted accordingly. Another idea would be to increase Infestor energy regen while burrowed.
Mearis
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy76 Posts
September 23 2010 20:19 GMT
#512
On September 24 2010 05:18 billyX333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 05:15 Mearis wrote:
the sarcasm in my post apparently wasn't obvious enough ><

holy shit, even a mod fell for it? really?

if you had 5,000 posts i wouldve seen it as a joke and laughed, sorry
it would have been funnier if there werent so many ppl that make statements like yours while actually being serious


I would think my post history would give it away, but damn, I think that's sort of a testament to the state of balance discussions that people can actually believe someone would make that post unironically.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
September 23 2010 20:20 GMT
#513
well shit, it sucks some of your role model players are switching race but we have to understand that this is their profession. if they can make more money AND have more fun with another race than we have to support their decision.. but ideally... blizzard finds some magical fix and really helps out with this problem..
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
iNty.sCream
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany195 Posts
September 23 2010 20:20 GMT
#514
the bw sc2 comparisons are mostly examples. nobody says it has to be exactly the same
Bisu best hairspray = win
Floydian
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom374 Posts
September 23 2010 20:20 GMT
#515
On September 24 2010 02:21 TheYango wrote:
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On September 24 2010 02:19 Lomak wrote:
The problem is that blizzard moves slower than evolution so the significant changes that are needed wont come for a long time.

Blizzard has put themselves in a pretty iffy position. They can't make changes too quickly, as knee-jerk fixes tend to have poor results in the long run. At the same time, going too slowly has the potential to damage the competitive player-base, and by extension, the spectator base.


That's the trouble. I just wish they had made the beta longer, it seemed rushed to me. Game was nowhere near balanced on release. Now it's too late to try out big changes so we have just have to sit tight and hope they eventually get it right.
The_DjiN
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany86 Posts
September 23 2010 20:21 GMT
#516
they should just add the same muta micro as in bw. that would probably help a little (:
Vz0
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada378 Posts
September 23 2010 20:21 GMT
#517
On September 24 2010 05:00 Perkins1752 wrote:
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On September 24 2010 04:55 dahornnn wrote:
they should split the GSL2 into 2 tourneys, one for terrams and one for everyone else =[

They already did this: The Terran league is called Ro8, the others play qualification for GSL2

LOl your awesome !!!
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
September 23 2010 20:22 GMT
#518
On September 24 2010 05:19 Splinter wrote:
PrinceXizor, I watch your stream often and am a fan of your play, but TBH a lot of the Ts you play don't seem to be very good. I sincerely hope that your play style continues to be viable as you face stronger and smarter Ts, but I'm not sure that it will.

A T3 consume upgrade for Infestors is an interesting idea, as it would allow continued Infestor use while leaving the player with more gas for an army. One thing to note though is Infestor spells are cheaper than defiler spells, so the energy gained from consume would have to be adjusted accordingly. Another idea would be to increase Infestor energy regen while burrowed.

i agree with this statement
make fungal growth cost 150 energy, give an upgradeable consume ability because paying 150 gas for 1 fungal growth just isnt worth it when medivacs can just regen. fungal is only used for 1) stalling mechanism or 2) ensnare bio to surround but after than you have to wait 120 seconds to regenerate energy making your infestor literally worthless in 90% of typical game scenarios
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-23 20:23:31
September 23 2010 20:22 GMT
#519
Nobody still has a clue about learning curves of the races. It's hard enough to find balance in RTS but to control the learning curves of 3 different games (races) this complicated to be similar is pretty much impossible. How hard is basic control for tank/marauder, now compare it to how hard it is to control the correct counter ling/infestor. Clearly Zerg needs more time to reach its max than Terran does.

That and every Zerg out there still doesn't creep properly. You see top level Zergs not getting multiple tumors at all times in the game, not getting overlord speed. Why complain about unit strength when you aren't getting the number one upgrade for your units (creep) in the whole game. This is just puzzling.

There may or may not be balance issues, but let's start with these things. It's like Terrans forgetting concussive shells and siege mode every game they play. Creep spread is simply a lot harder to pull off than just pressing an upgrade button, but that brings us back to not knowing the learning curves of each race, which is not the same as imbalance.
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Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
September 23 2010 20:22 GMT
#520
On September 24 2010 05:21 Vz0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2010 05:00 Perkins1752 wrote:
On September 24 2010 04:55 dahornnn wrote:
they should split the GSL2 into 2 tourneys, one for terrams and one for everyone else =[

They already did this: The Terran league is called Ro8, the others play qualification for GSL2

LOl your awesome !!!

I laughed, hard.
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