EPT[VOTE] SC2 Player quality limits in order to post - Page 22
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Grond
599 Posts
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ChApFoU
France2984 Posts
On September 21 2010 15:33 billyX333 wrote: no its not apples to oranges when you bring in the word discrimination and say this is a "shameful" discussion because its 'discrimination'! oh please its kind of like a applying for a job which requires a phd or a speaking job which requires a certain amount of recognition but thats discrimination too though right?! You're completely missing my point. I am not against all forms of difference. Discrimination is necessary in certain aeras. I am against unfounded and illegitimate discrimination ; and to me, creating a sub forum where only 1200+ diamond players could post is illegitimate discrimination because the value of your contribution is not based on your bnet rank. There's a ton of ppl who just love the game and follow it with attention but don't have the time to play 3 hours a day. Hell, I bet there would even be a decent amount of TL moderators who couldn't access to this sub-forum. | ||
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hoovehand
United Kingdom542 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12056 Posts
You can't just balance the game around the top players, you need to take a broad look over everyone. Like for instance Brood War if it was still being updated, Jaedong does this ridiculous strat which only Flash can hold it off, but any zerg in the world could feasebly do it, that should be nerfed. Just because one person/a few top players can hold it off, doesn't mean it shouldn't be nerfed to help the wider sense of the audience who play the game for fun. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
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Buffy
Sweden665 Posts
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
On September 21 2010 19:54 Qikz wrote: I've said this before, and I'll say it again. You can't just balance the game around the top players, you need to take a broad look over everyone. Like for instance Brood War if it was still being updated, Jaedong does this ridiculous strat which only Flash can hold it off, but any zerg in the world could feasebly do it, that should be nerfed. Just because one person/a few top players can hold it off, doesn't mean it shouldn't be nerfed to help the wider sense of the audience who play the game for fun. Why not? I would argue that many top players share the same experiences with us most of the time. It's a constant battle to fight weaknesses with strategy. Whilst certain things like unit placement, on-the-go improvisation, and game sense cannot be replicated, things like build order and tactics can be used by a wide variety of people. | ||
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Iatrik
Germany159 Posts
- Some people love to play random on the ladder - Some people use the ladder to try out new things - Some people play to just have fun Just because a player 4-Gates all the time and has a 1300+ Rating doesn't mean he has a deep understanding of the game. If you have a problem with a bad player responding, than don't care about his opinion. | ||
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
I've written some very well formulated blog posts, yet there's lots of common players not understanding them and trolling them (even random admins, which got a blog ban). On September 21 2010 20:18 Iatrik wrote: Honestly... Who cares about the ladder anyway? - Some people love to play random on the ladder - Some people use the ladder to try out new things - Some people play to just have fun Just because a player 4-Gates all the time and has a 1300+ Rating doesn't mean that also has a deep understanding of the game. If you have a problem with a bad player responding, than don't care about his opinion. Impossible to get to 1300+ rating with 4 gate alone. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On September 21 2010 19:54 Qikz wrote: I've said this before, and I'll say it again. You can't just balance the game around the top players, you need to take a broad look over everyone. Like for instance Brood War if it was still being updated, Jaedong does this ridiculous strat which only Flash can hold it off, but any zerg in the world could feasebly do it, that should be nerfed. Just because one person/a few top players can hold it off, doesn't mean it shouldn't be nerfed to help the wider sense of the audience who play the game for fun. If only a single player out of the many, many top players could only hold off this "ridiculous strat" then obviously it would be overpowered. For a competitive game you have to balance around the top, but just because you balance around the top does not mean you have to restrict it to the top 2. But for a competitive game you really have to balance around the top players, you can't just assume people will be bad forever. | ||
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MrCeeJ
United Kingdom57 Posts
A much better model is the Elitist Jerks model, where the forums are so heavily moderated that most of the people lurk for fear of getting banned, and only people with genuine insights or a history of posting constructively make new threads. I think linking the accounts to the forums isn't a bad idea, as it would allow you to inspect people that you think have posted something interesting or controversial and make up your own mind, but any kind of "Grind your 1v1 rating to xyz in order to post here" would prevent anyone trying out new ideas on the ladder for fear of being silenced on TL. | ||
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tellthenightcomes
Canada66 Posts
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Hadraziel
Russian Federation114 Posts
Ps: is this a fake vote poll ? It says I already voted and cannot vote any more (I did not vote), with 1k5 votes in one day... kinda strange | ||
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Alexstrasas
302 Posts
Im not complelty sure of the 1200 cap, however i do think that TL definitly needs a sub-forum for pro players. Props for pro players still posting here but it is pretty much rediclous when some of them posts and randoms come and bash them. I actualy was posting in a thread with Morrow a couple of days ago, then some random guy shows up and replies : " I dont care that you are a pro player, you obviously dont know what you are talking about" or something in that line, wich is pretty lulzy. There is little to none incentive for pro players to post in here aside from the fan club threads. So its really a win-win situation, pro players will have a place to debate stuff with other pro players and the public wins because they can actualy get to see what pro players talk about, and dunno maybe learn something? Considering that there are actualy pro-players out here a sub-forum for them should have been made a long time ago. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19257 Posts
So I doubt we'll see this feature, as much as I like the idea. *not an exact quote | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
I also disagree with the rating requirement though, an invite system would be a better solution. | ||
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mizak
Canada27 Posts
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tetracycloide
295 Posts
On September 21 2010 19:49 hoovehand wrote: knowing about the game does not equate to being able to spend 12 hours a day playing the game and thus know what to do to win matches. 4 gating 12 hours a day to a 1500+ rating does not equate to knowing about the game either. There's only two ways to do this well, much stricter moderation or invitation only. Frankly invite only has far less potential for abuse than tieing it to point ranks. | ||
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Bart331
59 Posts
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okrane
France265 Posts
On September 21 2010 16:39 Grond wrote: pro - as in TL decides This is where it gets problematic to put it mildly. Not quite. It can be done in multiple ways: Application Based Player writes an application on the TL forums, posts relevant replays and stats, explains his knowledge. He can then even be tested in game to prove his worth. Tournament Based if you're good enough to get invited to MLG/TL-invitational/GSL/etc... you can post... otherwise it's invite only from the people who are already allowed to post in the forum Vouch Based An already posting player can vouch for others. Much better than 1300 rank ladder crap. | ||
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