EPTI can't believe TL is tolerating this thread. This is no way to help and maintain a community.
It's shameful that this discussion is still open.
[VOTE] SC2 Player quality limits in order to post - Page 20
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Ancient.eu
Romania621 Posts
I can't believe TL is tolerating this thread. This is no way to help and maintain a community. It's shameful that this discussion is still open. | ||
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illumination
Korea (South)248 Posts
On September 21 2010 15:05 Ancient.eu wrote: Are you kidding me ? You want to implement discrimination between users ? I can't believe TL is tolerating this thread. This is no way to help and maintain a community. It's shameful that this discussion is still open. I know i hate this discrimination. Why can only veterans be moderators? All users are created equally and we should have all the same rights. I agree that this is no way to maintain a community. You know i even heard they have moderator only forums?!!?? They are conspiring against us i tell ye! | ||
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ChApFoU
France2987 Posts
Take for example the OGN and MBC commentators (excluding the ex-pros) : If they were english speakers, would you stop them from posting about BW because most of them couldn't hit B- on ICCUP ? I am RADICALLY opposed to this idea. | ||
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Zeroes
United States1102 Posts
On September 21 2010 15:10 illumination wrote: I know i hate this discrimination. Why can only veterans be moderators? All users are created equally and we should have all the same rights. I agree that this is no way to maintain a community. You know i even heard they have moderator only forums?!!?? They are conspiring against us i tell ye! there is a reason veterans are moderators, its because they are the most trustworty. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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BadWithNames
United States441 Posts
Why does it start at the ground up? Because making a place where the "shitty threads" theoretically can't be posted isn't going to stop the shit threads from being posted elsewhere, in the end you're treating the symptoms and not the problem. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On September 21 2010 15:14 BadWithNames wrote: In my experience the "pro" only forum doesn't work. In order to have successful communication it's up to the whole of the community to stop and think about what they post. Everyone has to hold themselves to a high standard of quality, and when that standard of quality isn't met the mods should step in and remind everyone. Why does it start at the ground up? Because making a place where the "shitty threads" theoretically can't be posted isn't going to stop the shit threads from being posted elsewhere, in the end you're treating the symptoms and not the problem. What's "your experience?" This system worked absolute wonders for arenajunkies | ||
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QkDown
United States214 Posts
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On September 21 2010 15:05 Ancient.eu wrote: Are you kidding me ? You want to implement discrimination between users ? I can't believe TL is tolerating this thread. This is no way to help and maintain a community. It's shameful that this discussion is still open. discrimination indeed we should let all the banned posters post their garbage again and strip away moderators of their abilities all this discrimination makes me sick, why cant we all have carrier icons too? i hate this site | ||
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teh_longinator
Canada725 Posts
On September 21 2010 04:07 Slow Motion wrote: I actually wouldn't mind a sub-forum where only the top players have rights to post, but the rest of us can read. I think that'd be pretty educational. This basically sums up my feelings. I cruise the SC2: Strategy forums a lot, and quite frankly, I feel like I made a wrong move recommending it to my friends as a learning tool. There are a bunch of bronze leaugers (I'm only 54 Silver), but I want to learn how to play, and how to improve... not read an unlimited amount of posts stating that Terran and Protoss (or whoever they just lost against) are overpowered. Basically, I'm going on the statement that this is a good idea, and will allow low-level players to learn, while the discussion is done by the people who know what they are talking about, rather than 80 Bronze players piping up about what they had for breakfast and how it doesn't relate to choosing between upgrading +1 Melee, or +1 Carapace against a FE Protoss. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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jstar
Canada568 Posts
I wouldn't mind if the entire TL became like this too. | ||
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
On September 21 2010 15:17 QkDown wrote: the #1 diamond in my division (1600pts) doesnt have a game over 8min(win or loss/over the 20 or so i looked at) Its accounts like this that worry me and are the largest drawback to this idea(for me). | ||
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Fraggle
Norway105 Posts
It was probably the arrival of sc2 that made me start lurking the forums around the start of 2010, and with the release of starcraft 2 the site will grow even more. And with more players coming in there will be players who think they are awesome after getting 10 wins in a row in gold division, thinking they're awesome and unbeatable. They'll start arguing with top players like Nony, Incontrol etc, And having played niche custom strategy games in warcraft 3 and being quite good at it, I really know it's frustrating to argue with all these horrible players that played other horrible players, it's not really the fact that they post and come with their opinion, it's the fact that they will come with an opinion like it's a fact. Player A says: Saving up all your money and gas, (building only scvs) rushing BC tech and going 5 starport bc rush is a really good tactic that obliterates the enemy whenever i use it. Player B says: No you can't really do that, cause you'll die whenever the enemy attacks Player A says: I only lost a couple times using this tactic, if you're that afraid get a couple marines Arguing with this kind of logic is kinda exhausting, You know it does not work, but player A will still insist it works perfectly, and it is your fault. You'll want to keep the community open but when noobs like me start arguing with people who's REALLY good and knows the timings in and out it's really frustrating for the better player(s) Take a game you're really good at, any game, you played it for years. a friend starts getting into it. He starts playing, he's improving but he's nowhere near your level and you know that and won't be for atleast months. Then after a couple weeks he's starting to tell you what to do and saying things that are completely untrue, he's saying the only reason you are better than him at the moment is just that you press your buttons faster. His theory and strategies are equal if not better! So yeah... People who's just saying they lack the mechanics and micro to get to higher levels, but say they have equal gameknowledge, yes that MAY be true, but the player who's higher ranked have faced better players,more strategies and has ofc more experience. So the higher ranked player should in theory be better in theorycraft shouldn't he? Anyways that's my 3 cents. Maybe an own forum with only invited players that can post isn't the answer, but it sounds better in theory to me(If we can still read it ofc), than having to jump over all the crap posts or possibly learning the wrong things. | ||
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ChApFoU
France2987 Posts
On September 21 2010 15:17 billyX333 wrote: discrimination indeed we should let all the banned posters post their garbage again and strip away moderators of their abilities all this discrimination makes me sick, why cant we all have carrier icons too? i hate this site Apples and oranges. Mods, bans / temp bans are based on how respectful and useful you are to the community, not on your Bnet or ICCUP rank. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On September 21 2010 15:16 -orb- wrote: What's "your experience?" This system worked absolute wonders for arenajunkies You're joking right? I've probably said this a million times these past 2 days. Arena Junkies is absolute SHIT. Have you ever even been on Arenajunkies? The only reason that anyone goes on Arenajunkies is either to troll or for drama. There is 0 serious discussion. In S1-S2 arenajunkies was a nice place, after that it just got out of control. See the thing is, being good at a video game doesnt mean anything. You can be mentally handicaped and still be good at Sc2/WoW. BadWithNames was actually spot on. You cant just make an "elite" forum and just hope that it will keep the bad posts away, because trust me it wont. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On September 21 2010 15:31 ChApFoU wrote: Apples and oranges. Mods, bans / temp bans are based on how respectful and useful you are to the community, not on your Bnet or ICCUP rank. no its not apples to oranges when you bring in the word discrimination and say this is a "shameful" discussion because its 'discrimination'! oh please its kind of like a applying for a job which requires a phd or a speaking job which requires a certain amount of recognition but thats discrimination too though right?! | ||
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BadWithNames
United States441 Posts
On September 21 2010 15:16 -orb- wrote: What's "your experience?" This system worked absolute wonders for arenajunkies Sorry -orb- but I think covered my thoughts pretty well. I'm not the type to sit here and have a long discussion over something, I say my peace and move on. I'll simply say again that the problem in my eyes isn't that "the quality stuff has no where to be posted" it's that "there's to many shit threads flooding the forums." Then again my eyes don't mean much so whatever. P.S. Thank you for your stream. Good luck in the future. May you channel your rage to success. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On September 21 2010 15:10 illumination wrote: I know i hate this discrimination. Why can only veterans be moderators? All users are created equally and we should have all the same rights. I agree that this is no way to maintain a community. You know i even heard they have moderator only forums?!!?? They are conspiring against us i tell ye! "all *should be* equal" is the biggest problem of democracy, because some people do not understand a problem but are allowed to "vote" for / against it. An easy example is D&D and another is shooter games; the first has been accused of supporting satanism and the second is accused of causing school shootings. Both accusing parties have never played the games in question to understand what they are really doing with a player and yet these people can get highly emotional about them. So IN THEORY you are right that we all are "equals", in REALITY we are not. Many of us are idiots with no brainpower to speak of. That is the reason why the thought of having a "circle of experts" is appealing, but the reality is that you cant really determine who an expert is and who isnt. High points or success in tournaments do not mean a thing and the success of cheese in the GSL shows that you can get very far with by using a shortcut to win games. You need TIME and constant exposure to someone to find out if he is an idiot or knows his stuff and a forum can do neither of these things. So the idea is neat, but impractical. | ||
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BondGamer
61 Posts
What it does not make you is a pro. But that is not what the forum is for, it is meant to weed out people with 300 score in bronze. Not many of those players are going to reach the threshold to post in the high skill forum. I think such a forum would be nice to have. At least try it out to see if it works. | ||
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