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Hello everyone! I would like to know your Opinions about different Input Devices. I think we Can Not and Must Not Deny Future technologies!
So feel free to Vote for your Opinion ! (Please read the text after the Pictures before Voting!)
Poll: Which Set do you use ?1) Basic Keyboard + 2 Button Mouse (89) 46% 2) Basic Keyboard + Mouse with Modifiable Buttons (60) 31% 4) Keyboard with Modifiable Keys + Mouse with Modifiable Buttons (34) 18% 6) GamePad + Mouse with Modifiable Buttons (6) 3% 3) Keyboard with Modifiable Keys + 2 Button Mouse (3) 2% 5) GamePad + 2 Button Mouse (2) 1% 194 total votes Your vote: Which Set do you use ? (Vote): 1) Basic Keyboard + 2 Button Mouse
(Vote): 2) Basic Keyboard + Mouse with Modifiable Buttons
(Vote): 3) Keyboard with Modifiable Keys + 2 Button Mouse
(Vote): 4) Keyboard with Modifiable Keys + Mouse with Modifiable Buttons
(Vote): 5) GamePad + 2 Button Mouse
(Vote): 6) GamePad + Mouse with Modifiable Buttons
Poll: Which one of these Options have you already used ? (0<1<2<3)0) None of these yet (85) 62% 1) Modifiable keys/buttons (35) 26% 2) Macros (9) 7% 3) GamePads (8) 6% 137 total votes Your vote: Which one of these Options have you already used ? (0<1<2<3) (Vote): 0) None of these yet
(Vote): 1) Modifiable keys/buttons
(Vote): 2) Macros
(Vote): 3) GamePads
Poll: Which Device would you Allow at Tournaments ? (0<1<2<3<4)4) Any Input Device, untill "One Keypress = One Action sent" (94) 69% 0) None of these (34) 25% 1) Mouse with Modifiable Buttons (5) 4% 3) GamePad with Modifiable Keys (2) 1% 2) Keyboard with Modifiable Keys (1) 1% 136 total votes Your vote: Which Device would you Allow at Tournaments ? (0<1<2<3<4) (Vote): 0) None of these
(Vote): 1) Mouse with Modifiable Buttons
(Vote): 2) Keyboard with Modifiable Keys
(Vote): 3) GamePad with Modifiable Keys
(Vote): 4) Any Input Device, untill "One Keypress = One Action sent"
The Poll about Macros showed that more than 90% of the people would Not Allow the usage of them, So I cleared this poll from the Topic.
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The Variation of Input Devices only gives an Opportunity for Different People to feel Comfortable !!!
Maybe someone wouldn't like to press Ctrl with like his "Wrist", or would like to use ALL the ControlGroup keys like me.
Do Not Be Scared!, if you haven't ever come across with more than a Simple Keyboard and Mouse. These are just Tools, although the New ones are much more Handy and Comfortable for Everyone, than they Ancestors were.
An Important thing about GamePads is they usually have only like 10-20 Keys ! So if you would like to use the ~40 Hotkeys in StarCraft II, then you Must make at least 2 different Layers for this, and keep Changing them Constantly to get to the Hotkey desired ! This means some constant minor time loss. Personally I use one Layer for mostly Micro, and another for mostly Macro, with a 2 Button Mouse.
Pre-defined Macros won't get you ahead in StarCraft I think !!! For example a "Shift+B+G" Macro will prepare building GateWays for you immediately, BUT you cannot use this Chain-Macroed key for anything else !!! So in the end it's way better to separate these 3 type of keys from each other !!!
Finally I think you wouldn't say for example to a Football player, that he can use ONLY the Cheapest Shoes during his Matches, because... because... Why ???
PS: Sorry in anticipation, if I don't visit the topic frequently.
(My first Topic about GamePads can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126971 )
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I think you should be able to choose whatever controller you want and configurate them as much as you want as long as you follow the rule one button one action.
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On September 16 2010 04:41 Batch wrote:
I think you should be able to choose whatever controller you want and configurate them as much as you want as long as you follow the rule one button one action.
Sure I aggree also with the "One Button = One Action" Rule.
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I'd love to see someone play with a gamepad, just for kicks. I wonder if it would even be possible.
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On September 16 2010 05:08 GargleSilverfish wrote:
I'd love to see someone play with a gamepad, just for kicks. I wonder if it would even be possible.
It can be done, but you got just like 10-20 Keys on GamePads, so you need to Spread the ~40 Keys used in StarCraft 2 to Two different Layers and need to Change them constantly to get to the Hotkeys you would like to use. Personally I use a Micro-like Layer and a Macro-like Layer.
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Rule of thumb: one press -> one key sent.
Equipment must be keyboard/mouse only. Result: You can use stuff like the g500, razer keyboards, etc, but you may not use macros, only direct button re-mapping.
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The Macro Poll seems pointless, cause more than 90% of the people wouldn't like to see it in Tourneys, so I'm gonna take it off the list soon I think.
A plus thing about Mice, that I think with the Razer one on the Picture with a ton of Buttons maybe looks cool, but I think you just Can Not Micro with it well, so I use the 2 Button Logitech Mini Optical too. =)
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I have the G110 keyboard, but have not used the extra buttons. It was a waste of money, only thing I like is the lit keys.
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On September 17 2010 02:00 jdwashere wrote:
I have the G110 keyboard, but have not used the extra buttons. It was a waste of money, only thing I like is the lit keys.
Agree. Well, mostly...I have [enter]gl hf[enter] bound to G4, but that's it. The media controls and backlight are nice, but not worth the price tag.
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Maybe I'm just not correct in what I think "modifiable buttons" are but do any of these options represent mult-button mouse w/o macro functionality? Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I've been using my Intellimouse for like 10 years now.
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On September 17 2010 02:05 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 02:00 jdwashere wrote:
I have the G110 keyboard, but have not used the extra buttons. It was a waste of money, only thing I like is the lit keys. Agree. Well, mostly...I have [enter]gl hf[enter] bound to G4, but that's it. The media controls and backlight are nice, but not worth the price tag.
G1: gl hf
G2: from?
G3: sexsexpussyhair
G4: re?
G5: gg
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On September 16 2010 04:41 Batch wrote:
one button one action.
+1
I don't thing there is anything wrong with a 3rd mouse button. Sometimes it's nice to scroll with it.
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On September 17 2010 02:07 comis wrote:
Maybe I'm just not correct in what I think "modifiable buttons" are but do any of these options represent mult-button mouse w/o macro functionality? Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I've been using my Intellimouse for like 10 years now.
Modifiable Buttons mean for me, that these Buttons can be set as any letter Keys, but the cream on the cake is if you can even set them as Ctrl, Shift, Alt too.
About the G110 keyboard: I've looked after it and the 2 Columns seem like a beginning for modifiable left side buttons on Keyboards, But 2 Columns are just not enough to get it going I think. I've been using 3 Columns since I've made my first Lego "GamePad" (Link to it is on the Bottom of the Topic)
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As long as one button = one action, I see no problem with gamepads/other odd-shaped keyboards or mice with many programmable buttons.
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On September 16 2010 03:10 SzaszaG wrote:
Finally I think you wouldn't say for example to a Football player, that he can use ONLY the Cheapest Shoes during his Matches, because... because... Why ???
Actually by "basic keyboard" I just think "keyboard without additional macro stuff". If he wants to use a Tarantula or a G15 because he finds it confortable, why not, but without using the macro functions.
That's the same with the football player, he can use any shoes he loves, but he can't use shoes with automatic ball-launcher or something like that. I don't have anything against confort, but confort doesn't mean new functions.
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I'm all for customizing and improving performance of any input devices. Something like a gamepad is hard since they mostly require some software.
But any more automatization than what is already in the game should be disallowed.
The same goes for visual aid, like and APM meter or timer.
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On September 17 2010 04:07 Fen-X wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 03:10 SzaszaG wrote:
Finally I think you wouldn't say for example to a Football player, that he can use ONLY the Cheapest Shoes during his Matches, because... because... Why ???
That's the same with the football player, he can use any shoes he loves, but he can't use shoes with automatic ball-launcher or something like that. I don't have anything against confort, but confort doesn't mean new functions.
I've been waiting for a Response to my Football example =) And I think you got the Point I wanted to say. I wouldn't like to see Automatic Ball-Launcher on Shoes neither. And back to the Inputs I share the same opinion with the people saying: 1 Keypress = 1 Action
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Are there actually tournaments that do not allow gamepads? I always assumed gamepads would be fine because they're really just a type of keyboard: they are a board with keys on it. As far as 2-button mice goes, who the hell doesn't at least have a wheel on their mouse nowadays? This isn't the 1990's anymore.
I say, use whatever you want as long as it doesn't play the game for you... in 10 years I plan to be playing this game with those gloves that Tom Cruise used in Minority Report.
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I've changed the Structure of the Topic, and made the Polls much Clearer and Rational, while the EU servers were down. Excuse me for the ~60 votes untill now, but they got lost in the process.
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I have a G9, and I recently bought a G15 only because it was on sale with a big discount, and, the customisable buttons are awesome, but I won't ever set them up to record macros. Customising my mouse' sidebuttons to hotkeys feels "cheap" enough; but hey, I waited ages (2+ years) before I finally caved in and bought this mouse, so I might as well indulge in its awesomeness.
I'm not sure how I feel about the "advancement" of these technologies. In a way, I want these to be more popular, so that they can become more widely accepted, e.g. in tourneys. But at the same time, I really don't like their macro function, since it's as close to cheating as you can get, without, you know, actually cheating. And, it's also something that's probably really hard to police?
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I currently use a Belkin n52te and a razer naga. I do not use any of the macro abilities, but I use my Naga for things like control groups, backspace, etc. I use the Belkin with the grid hotkey setup. So far, it works pretty well for me. I'm not convinced that it is advantageous over a standard 2-button mouse and keyboard, but I'm very used to it from playing other games so it's what I use.
Personally, I think there is nothing wrong with alternative input devices so long as the 1 button - 1 action rule is used.
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I enjoy playing starcraft with a wii controller. Lol could u imagine 300 apm with one of those?
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Come on people ! Push the Poll to at least 100 Votes =)
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what about an xbox controller?
way put down the man by limiting my options
down with big brother!
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On October 02 2010 04:45 SkCom wrote:
what about an xbox controller?
I've been thinking about Tablets and TouchPads, also Controllers can be categorized here. But finally I stayed with the Keyboard-like and Mouse-like Devices. These still make up a lot of Variations.
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I have one of my mouse buttons (G9) remapped to select all warpgates (Y since I use grid). This is really helpful since it doesn't take away keyboard hand apm during micro to check on WP cooldowns for the next wave or warpins.
I also use a G15 keyboard but find the G keys useless since macros = cheating and there is no real need to remap anything to them since using regular keys is easier for the keyboard hand on a grid layout.
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Protip, don't be like this guy and spend $100 on a $5 mouse because some progamer uses it and magically think you too can become a progamer.
Stick with what you know and use and are comfortable with. Heck, I use a laptop mouse now because my old one died and I've gotten quite comfortable with this one.
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On October 02 2010 05:27 a176 wrote:Protip, don't be like this guy and spend $100 on a $5 mouse because some progamer uses it and magically think you too can become a progamer.
That guy should learn how to search for Products on the internet ! =) This mouse cost like $10 in any computer shop.
And indeed newer Devices won't do the BuildOrders instead of you either ! They just give like +20% to your APM (If it really feels better for you, than the one you used before)
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The first Poll has reached 100 Votes, thanks for this ! Let's get it with the other 2 Polls too !
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"One Button = One Action" since Blizzard is already gonna add customizable keys anyway.
Only thing I've changed in my keybinds is ctrl to a mouse button and thats it :>
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G15 keyboard, standrad four button mouse.
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Thanks for the Voting ! All Polls have reached 100 Votes =)
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Vote some before the 2010 Summary, if you would like to.
Happy New Year for everyone in advance ! =)
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On September 16 2010 03:10 SzaszaG wrote:
Finally I think you wouldn't say for example to a Football player, that he can use ONLY the Cheapest Shoes during his Matches, because... because... Why ???
After reading I just wanted to respond to this. I would not call my Filco brown switch keyboard or my Xai mouse cheap by any stretch of the imagination. The Xai technically features an ability to macro the buttons (which I don't use), and the keyboard has no such feature. This analogy doesn't quite work.
With keyboards and mice, macro ability does not equate to expensiveness. I avoid razer products for this reason. I can't get around their advertisement since it's always based around macro crap.
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On December 31 2010 00:48 SzaszaG wrote:
Vote some before the 2010 Summary, if you would like to.
Happy New Year for everyone in advance ! =)
Stop doing this. If you're going to bump your thread, add some value.
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