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Source: Fomos
Rough translation follows.
Former acting coach of Pantech Curitel and former coach of WeMade Fox, Mr. Won Joongwook has returned to the e-sports scene as the head coach of the brand new Starcraft II team 'STARTALE.'
Mr. Won, who played a key role in the founding of WeMade Fox, began his e-Sports career in march of 2003 with Toona SG, the predecessor of WeMade Fox. He remained with the team through its multiple sponsor changes, as SG Family, Pantech and Curitel Curriors, Pantech EX, and finally as WeMade FOX.
Joining STARTALE will be a number of well known ex-Brood War pros. Most notable is JulyZerg, there are also many other familiar names such as ZergLee, IntotheRainbow, and Silver. Even Silent_Control will be joining them soon in October, when his military service ends. Rounding up the lineup is Ssoja, a protoss player who has competed in the GSL as of late.
Startale (called ST for short) will begin activities as a team in earnest this coming October.
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i don't know whether startale or the scv life is the worser team name.
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Horrible names I agree.
Quite old names I see there, like Silver.
Going to be interesting. Go JulyZerg.
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Quoting Milkis's post from Broodwar Transfer thread as a reminder;
On September 09 2010 03:14 Milkis wrote:Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110445&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=Shim Hyun plays with us again, giving us "Progamer A,B,C" this time. Progamer A - Wanted to participate for this season of GSL, but was not able to due to his contract with his team. He is looking to participate in the preliminaries of the second season of GSL this upcoming October. He is still practicing hard, and said that if he participated in the preliminaries, he would have been able to make it to the main stages. He updated us on his situation by saying that next season, he is preparing hard so that he could make it the semi finals. Pretty much confirmed to be July. Progamer B - Has already left the team and is living by himself. He announced to hsi team that he is not going to have another contract, and preparing for the switch to SC2. There is a very high chance that he will join the SC2 game team that Progamer A is a part of. Has enjoyed playing since the beta test, and is preparing to participate in the preliminaries. Rumors have it that this is NaDa.
In case you somehow missed it ;
Progamer B ( rumored to be NaDa ) will probably join the same team with Progamer A ( July! )
NaDaST soon ?
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silent_control? wow...
Reminds me of that game game vs. Reason in the wcg, sick brazilian roll =p
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wow this is amazing news for SC2 / eSports ! I always loved WeMadeFOX and JulyZerg <3 ftw 
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Looking forward to FantaPrime's success.
Need more top level Zergs.
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Silver as in the american player?
Edit: Apparently not, anyway the more awesome players the better!
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is ssoja that protoss who fast expands in pvp?
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On September 15 2010 20:17 Fantistic wrote:
Looking forward to FantaPrime's success.
Need more top level Zergs.
Will he be FantaST now or JulyZerg again?
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On September 15 2010 20:08 GTR wrote:
i don't know whether startale or the scv life is the worser team name.
The quality of these team names equal that of KT Finger Boom minus the hilarity lol
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On September 15 2010 20:08 GTR wrote:
i don't know whether startale or the scv life is the worser team name.
haha, was thinking the same thing...
"KT FingerBoom" still worse though. ^^'
damn, kOre was faster...xD
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On September 15 2010 20:21 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 20:17 Fantistic wrote:
Looking forward to FantaPrime's success.
Need more top level Zergs. Will he be FantaST now or JulyZerg again?
Who knows. I doubt he'll use JulyZerg. You know the reasons. 
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Wow silent_control, there's a name I thought I'd never see again.
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Awesome news but I agree with the terrible team names >_<
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omg if nada plays terran he will roflstomp everyone for a long time to come ^^
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as good as Koreans are at SC, they suck so much at picking nicknames and teamnames. I wonder how these teams will do in comparison with the original SC2 teams (Prime, OGS)
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korean pro scene slowly shaping up.
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wow, I was thinking yesterday what happened to silent_control
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OmG JulY ZerGGG!!! WoWOWOOWoW ^^
Really excited for this new team, thanks for the source!!
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wow that is some name...then again when i look back to other names like "julyzerg" name..i think 'what does it mean?'?
lets hope for nada!
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Thats some really big names in BW history . This team is going to own .
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SILENT CONTROOOOOOL :DDDD
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Wow that is one hell of a roster, really awesome to have some names in the scene that raise some memories...
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remember kids, name is overrated as much as long sausage xD : )
i love We Made Fox, have no idea who is julyzerg but i hope i will get it soon
GL
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So what will guys like flash, jaedong, effort etc. do when they hear that all those old pros are making more money now with sc2 as they do with bw?
how long will it take for them to switch to sc2?
money rules the world.
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On September 15 2010 21:01 NIIINO wrote:
remember kids, name is overrated as much as long sausage xD : )
i love We Made Fox, have no idea who is julyzerg but i hope i will get it soon
GL
shame on you
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On September 15 2010 21:14 w1kk wrote:
So what will guys like flash, jaedong, effort etc. do when they hear that all those old pros are making more money now with sc2 as they do with bw?
how long will it take for them to switch to sc2?
money rules the world.
my guess is that they will switch to sc2 for 2011 season.
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Julyzerg, IntoTheRainbow and Silent_Control :3
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kinda weirdish names the got going on there.. but, best of luck though..
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On September 15 2010 20:08 GTR wrote:
i don't know whether startale or the scv life is the worser team name.
hahah my thought exactly
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Oh July? Well.. he ain't that big. Just the 3rd best zerg of all time, the first zerg to really dominate the scene for a period of time, AND the first zerg to win a golden mouse.
But really, does that mean you guys don't know like.. perhaps.. Flash or Jaedong?
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So cool to see the sc2 pro scene growing. I expect a massive switch of B-teamers and lower A-teamers within a couple of months when more tournaments come up and they realize the potential.
When you have Flash and Jaedong to catch up to in sc1 there really isn't much you can do other than switching games.
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On September 15 2010 20:36 Geo.Rion wrote:
as good as Koreans are at SC, they suck so much at picking nicknames and teamnames. I wonder how these teams will do in comparison with the original SC2 teams (Prime, OGS)
Good thing team names and nicknames have nothing to do with it. They'll be just as good as the other teams. It's a smart move on their behalf. Lots of those guys were pioneers of SC:BW and many of them know each other very, very well. Looks like it's deja vu.
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On September 15 2010 20:24 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 20:08 GTR wrote:
i don't know whether startale or the scv life is the worser team name. "KT FingerBoom" still worse though. ^^'
Haha I still can't believe that actually happened..
This is awesome news though. Silent_control omfg.
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On September 15 2010 21:14 w1kk wrote:
So what will guys like flash, jaedong, effort etc. do when they hear that all those old pros are making more money now with sc2 as they do with bw?
how long will it take for them to switch to sc2?
money rules the world.
Sorry but money is still not with SC2 . Flash , Jaedong , Effort and most top players are well paid , so unless there are more leagues and paid salaries they won't change . And with the current balance of SC2 i see no reason for top players to switch for just only GSL and have some terran player use 1 of 100 rush builds and cheese them out of the league . Then they will only be watching SC2 on TV . Unless you are bad/retired in BW and you still want to be a progamer there is no other reason for top BW players switching to SC 2 .
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dope this is gonna be sick
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On September 15 2010 21:01 NIIINO wrote:
remember kids, name is overrated as much as long sausage xD : )
i love We Made Fox, have no idea who is julyzerg but i hope i will get it soon
GL
WHAT!!!??!!!!???!!!!!?!!
I HOPE you are trolling...
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On September 15 2010 21:26 raga4ka wrote:
Sorry but money is still not with SC2 . Flash , Jaedong , Effort and most top players are well paid , so unless there are more leagues and paid salaries they won't change . And with the current balance of SC2 i see no reason for top players to switch for just only GSL and have some terran player use 1 of 100 rush builds and cheese them out of the league . Then they will only be watching SC2 on TV . Unless you are bad /retired in BW and you still want to be a progamer there is no other reason for top BW players switching to SC 2 .
I would say flash is able to win 80% of the gsl tournaments in 2011.
that has to be around 500.000$. i dont think he earns that much money with playing bw.
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On September 15 2010 21:31 w1kk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:26 raga4ka wrote:
Sorry but money is still not with SC2 . Flash , Jaedong , Effort and most top players are well paid , so unless there are more leagues and paid salaries they won't change . And with the current balance of SC2 i see no reason for top players to switch for just only GSL and have some terran player use 1 of 100 rush builds and cheese them out of the league . Then they will only be watching SC2 on TV . Unless you are bad /retired in BW and you still want to be a progamer there is no other reason for top BW players switching to SC 2 . I would say flash is able to win 80% of the gsl tournaments in 2011. that has to be around 500.000$. i dont think he earns that much money with playing bw.
Actually, he earns 300k this year only from his salary, according to Milkis(?) and his sources. http://twitter.com/SC_OddsAndEnds
"Every KT player got a "significant" raise in their salary! Flash can make 300K+ from salary alone this year..."
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Wow, sucky team name.
But then again, wow, what a line up, ITR,July and Silent_Control.
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ST is fine, Startale is just retarded.
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oGsIntoTheRainbow into ST hmmm..
oGs is losing quite a few players here and there... losing test and cool is already pretty big...
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On September 15 2010 21:31 w1kk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:26 raga4ka wrote:
Sorry but money is still not with SC2 . Flash , Jaedong , Effort and most top players are well paid , so unless there are more leagues and paid salaries they won't change . And with the current balance of SC2 i see no reason for top players to switch for just only GSL and have some terran player use 1 of 100 rush builds and cheese them out of the league . Then they will only be watching SC2 on TV . Unless you are bad /retired in BW and you still want to be a progamer there is no other reason for top BW players switching to SC 2 . I would say flash is able to win 80% of the gsl tournaments in 2011. that has to be around 500.000$. i dont think he earns that much money with playing bw.
I doubt Flash would care if he gets 500k in SC2 or 400k in BW . He will be playing the game that is more advanced in e - sports and has a higher entertainig value to the audience . Seriuosly companies pay millions of dollars to sustain teams in BW . I don't know how much teams in SC2 are actually paying their players to play SC 2 or are they just practising together for 1 tournament and who ever gets lucky wins while the others suck on a shoe . Only 16 players in SC2 are actually making any "real money" and thats the top16 players in the GSL . You have to have companies sponsoring teams or only a few players will actually make real money in SC 2 .
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On September 15 2010 21:32 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:31 w1kk wrote:On September 15 2010 21:26 raga4ka wrote:
Sorry but money is still not with SC2 . Flash , Jaedong , Effort and most top players are well paid , so unless there are more leagues and paid salaries they won't change . And with the current balance of SC2 i see no reason for top players to switch for just only GSL and have some terran player use 1 of 100 rush builds and cheese them out of the league . Then they will only be watching SC2 on TV . Unless you are bad /retired in BW and you still want to be a progamer there is no other reason for top BW players switching to SC 2 . I would say flash is able to win 80% of the gsl tournaments in 2011. that has to be around 500.000$. i dont think he earns that much money with playing bw. Actually, he earns 300k this year only from his salary, according to Milkis(?) and his sources. http://twitter.com/SC_OddsAndEnds"Every KT player got a "significant" raise in their salary! Flash can make 300K+ from salary alone this year..."
Add in 6 finals + WL + PL thats probably around that amount if not even more .
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Yea if flash can repeat next year he's a millionaire if not already.
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Horrible name.
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Silver is coming back
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Horrible name :/. m too new to know most of those guys. I know IntoTheRainbow from the Gom intel classic tourney and Julyzerg is just obvious. Have no clue who the rest are lol.
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![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1284530004_1.jpg) the coach is JULYZERG's Twin?
![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1284530004_2.jpg)
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Has IntoTheRainbow given a reason as to why he's leaving OGS? Is he leaving for similar reasons as Cool and Tester did? Maybe this team offers more star players such as JulyZerg and Silent_Control? Are like the remaining members of OGS just not that impressive, especially with TheSTC going on Military leave?
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Awesome sigamari returns!!
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On September 15 2010 20:03 Waxangel wrote:
JulyZerg, ZergLee, IntotheRainbow, and Silver. Even Silent_Control
Silent_Control hahaha! Who sponsors this team i would like to know.
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why are you guys hating on the name lol? 'startale' is no more silly than 'evil geniuses' or 'meet your maker'
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I hate on those names as well. Most team names are quite silly.
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Silent_control wow that brings back some memories. THis team is made of nostalgia.
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Silent control? Wow, now there's a blast from the past.
Also, Startale + Wemade Fox = Star Fox?
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Isn't Intotherainbow, in oGs?
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Holy crap Silver =O
Yay July ^_^
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On September 15 2010 22:13 Hikko wrote:Nah, it's like an Eddie Murphy movie. The reality is that July is the entire team with different names and makeup I wish I could find the thread "announcing" that every player on Oz was replaced by Jaedong--that was great!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=90341
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hopefully silent_control rests and hydrates properly so there are no more episodes
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On September 15 2010 21:31 w1kk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:26 raga4ka wrote:
Sorry but money is still not with SC2 . Flash , Jaedong , Effort and most top players are well paid , so unless there are more leagues and paid salaries they won't change . And with the current balance of SC2 i see no reason for top players to switch for just only GSL and have some terran player use 1 of 100 rush builds and cheese them out of the league . Then they will only be watching SC2 on TV . Unless you are bad /retired in BW and you still want to be a progamer there is no other reason for top BW players switching to SC 2 . I would say flash is able to win 80% of the gsl tournaments in 2011. that has to be around 500.000$. i dont think he earns that much money with playing bw.
flash will earn abotu 600k this year, but nobody else will be close to that.
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On September 15 2010 22:25 MangoTango wrote:
Silent control? Wow, now there's a blast from the past.
Also, Startale + Wemade Fox = Star Fox?
hahaha, now that would be and epic name maybe Nintendo could sponsor them
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worst team name... ever..
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July? SIlver? epic.
Are those guys playing the same races as in BW, or is it normal to switch in SC2?
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All these people thinking Flash and other current pros will immediately switch are kinda deluding themselves. Why would they switch to a game they don't know (sc2) from a game that is currently making them thousands of dollars(bw)?
If sc:bw dies out, or they start getting into a slump, sure they'll switch then, but until so, there's absolutely no reason for the top tier sc:bw players to switch.
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I wonder why all the teams choose to get their name in English instead of Korean.
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On September 15 2010 21:31 w1kk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:26 raga4ka wrote:
Sorry but money is still not with SC2 . Flash , Jaedong , Effort and most top players are well paid , so unless there are more leagues and paid salaries they won't change . And with the current balance of SC2 i see no reason for top players to switch for just only GSL and have some terran player use 1 of 100 rush builds and cheese them out of the league . Then they will only be watching SC2 on TV . Unless you are bad /retired in BW and you still want to be a progamer there is no other reason for top BW players switching to SC 2 . I would say flash is able to win 80% of the gsl tournaments in 2011. that has to be around 500.000$. i dont think he earns that much money with playing bw.
I'd say Flash has easily earned over 500K this year just with his salary and tournament wins. This is not even including his endorsements.
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Blizzard built a time machine... GJ X_X
On September 15 2010 23:52 JQL wrote:
I wonder why all the teams choose to get their name in English instead of Korean.
I would imagine they do it to become more appealing to the international crowd and sponsors.
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GG epic! Let's see how these oldschool players transition into SC2!
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On September 15 2010 20:17 wristuzi wrote:
Silver as in the american player?
Edit: Apparently not, anyway the more awesome players the better!
So much fail in that question.... so much fail.
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On September 15 2010 22:09 Plexa wrote:Awesome sigamari returns!!
My reaction, too. I was so sad when 2v2 was removed and all the 2v2 specialists got shafted. Kinda worried he'll be bad in sc2, too, but it's nice to see him back for a bit, at least.
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I think Startale and SCV life are great names.
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Awesome players. Can't wait for the rest of this year.
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i hope there will be a proleague for SC2 anytime soon
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Good news, can't wait to see these guys compete, does this mean we can expect to see both  July and  IntoTheRainBOw competing in this upcoming GSL? or not until next month?
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On September 16 2010 00:57 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:Good news, can't wait to see these guys compete, does this mean we can expect to see both July and IntoTheRainBOw competing in this upcoming GSL? or not until next month?
I dont see why not?
IntoTheRainbow is already playing in GSL and July will most likely try to qualify since he doesn't have anything to stop it.
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seeing July next GSL will be so sick
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haha "great" team name! oh wells hope they will do fine so we can see some new players to the scene. I guess a lot of new teams will start up really soon when the sc2 scene gets bigger and bigger. GL btw!
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wow those are some old old names O_o kind of interesting to see all these SC2 teams popping up with old gamers coming back.
really wanna see someone on the A class level in BW switch to SC2 right now someone like stork or light would be sweet
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Great to see a team like this forming, good things to come!
Gonna be keeping a definite eye on julyzerg, really want him to come into dominant form again!
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Nah skt zergs only suck when they are on skt lol. Zerglee when he became a khan zerg and Sigamari he became one of the best 2v2 pros.
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On September 15 2010 20:23 kOre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 20:08 GTR wrote:
i don't know whether startale or the scv life is the worser team name. The quality of these team names equal that of KT Finger Boom minus the hilarity lol
LOL completely forgot about that name, it was so short lived bahahahhahaa
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grats on the new team,
and good luck!
sc2 needs more BW pros
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Startale + SCV Life = Stalife
I think the universe is trying to tell us something.
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lol at the name. but im excited to see how their team does in the future
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On September 15 2010 20:15 Zozo wrote:
silent_control? wow...
Reminds me of that game game vs. Reason in the wcg, sick brazilian roll =p
It reminds me more when Silent_Control took down Xellos in WCG just to get pwned by the Russian Androide in semis. At the end ForU took out Androide and won WCG.
On topic, the name doesn't bother me much, couldn´t care less lol but I like SCV life more.
I am glad more old school BW blood is coming in to SC2. Very interesting. The scene is taking shape.
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silent_control yay thats nice
hope to see nada in sc2 soon
it would be so great if more oldschoolers like midas iloveoov boxer & co would switch to sc2
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Exciting news, also agree that there won't be a switch for most BW pros anytime soon.
Also, StarTale reminds me of Duck Tales, I hope someone does a song.
Life is like a ladder game here in Starcraft,
hellions, lasers, siege tanks, it's like oh crap,
you might invent a strategy, or be a part of a tragedy
star tales, oo oo
tales of proxying, double gating, baneling bustin oo oo
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has anybody asked the most important question yet?
DO THEY GET PAID?
cuz if so, i will be joining the ranks of the "bw is dead" guys
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I'm so excited about these news, but every time I hear the names I cringe.
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I knew silver only from monty hall.
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IntotheRainbow, was that IntotheRain from 2000?
lol sry i was playing bw from 2000-2001 then stopped playing, liked him very much.
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On September 16 2010 02:48 HolyPepsi wrote:
IntotheRainbow, was that IntotheRain from 2000?
lol sry i was playing bw from 2000-2001 then stopped playing, liked him very much.
Same guy and same silent_control old school progamers with new beginnings.
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On September 16 2010 02:48 HolyPepsi wrote:
IntotheRainbow, was that IntotheRain from 2000?
lol sry i was playing bw from 2000-2001 then stopped playing, liked him very much.
Actually IntoTheRain's student who went on to be a better player.
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Oh man, I'm really looking forward to seeing July (and potentially NaDa) play.
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intotherainbow winning matches solely on his reaver shuttle micro ^^
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Poor oGs. The team is getting kind of torn apart by these new pro teams. I guess it was bound to happen, though.
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On September 15 2010 20:08 GTR wrote:
i don't know whether startale or the scv life is the worser team name.
BRING BACK HEXATRON
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iNcontroL
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very cool
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So how many teams are there now?
oGs?
Prime?
WeRRa?
TSL?
ST?
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Nice to see more teams building up, but the name is kinda weird to be honest.
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Julyzerg is awesome and all but...
silent_control -> Holy shit i haven't seen that guy in a long time. Him returning just made my month ^^
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On September 15 2010 20:08 GTR wrote:
i don't know whether startale or the scv life is the worser team name.
I love the crazy / kooky Korean team names, they are so inventive. I bet STARTALE and The SCV Life sounds totally awesome to a Koreans. The more the merrier! ^^
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On September 16 2010 03:42 DivinO wrote:
So how many teams are there now?
oGs?
Prime?
WeRRa?
TSL?
ST?
+NEX
and a bunch of noname teams i d imagine
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On September 16 2010 03:42 DivinO wrote:
So how many teams are there now?
oGs?
Prime?
WeRRa?
TSL?
ST?
Well, as for Korean teams..Including Clans..
oGs
Prime
WeRRa
TSL
ST
Jung
Zenith
Glad to see a new team with some old favorites! Can't wait to see them compete.
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Nice news... definitely going forwards.
but what about upmagic? wasnt there a video from artosis about him going pro in sc2? havent heared of him after that.
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Startale and SCV Life are better names than Evil Geniuses lolol.
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about time some worthy players coming back!
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On September 16 2010 04:37 NuKedUFirst wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 03:42 DivinO wrote:
So how many teams are there now?
oGs?
Prime?
WeRRa?
TSL?
ST? Well, as for Korean teams..Including Clans.. oGs Prime WeRRa TSL ST Jung Zenith Glad to see a new team with some old favorites! Can't wait to see them compete.
Oops didn't see this. You can add ReX and NEX to that list of teams.
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On September 15 2010 22:31 WhoaDrugs wrote:
Isn't Intotherainbow, in oGs?
No, not any more.
On September 16 2010 00:57 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:Good news, can't wait to see these guys compete, does this mean we can expect to see both July and IntoTheRainBOw competing in this upcoming GSL? or not until next month?
IntoTheRainbow is competing in the current GSL under the alias HopeTorture.
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hoping to see some high rank bw pro to SC2
SC2 indeed is harder, u harder to mirco, and u can't build pure 2 units in the entire game, u need bunch of random unit to support the big battle army and etc
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so is it pretty much a good bet that NaDa will be joining this team as well?, considering the rumors and also the fact that the former WeMade coach is in charge.
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lol, I love the name.
Starcraft + Fairytale
STARTALE
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On September 15 2010 22:23 Lazix wrote:
Star Tales!! A-WHOO-HOO
haha that's the first thing that came to mind as well after reading the OP, was surprised no one else posted it earlier
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Silent Control :O woooah I'm Excited!!
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On September 16 2010 02:21 Heimatloser wrote:
has anybody asked the most important question yet?
DO THEY GET PAID?
cuz if so, i will be joining the ranks of the "bw is dead" guys
self quote cuz i habe no answer yet
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A bunch of bw zerg players :D
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The new chapter in starcraft brings old legends back to the game. Go julyzerg!
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at least it's not as bad as eSTRO(gen)
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OMG NA DO HYUN, SILENT_CONTROL!!!!
Also, seeing who the manager is... safe to say NaDa will be in this team if/when he official switches over?
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On September 15 2010 20:36 Geo.Rion wrote:
as good as Koreans are at SC, they suck so much at picking nicknames and teamnames.
your kidding right? have you forgotten about ZergBong?
/sarcasm 
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OH MY GOD ITS SILENT_CONTROL
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On September 16 2010 06:36 Heimatloser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 02:21 Heimatloser wrote:
has anybody asked the most important question yet?
DO THEY GET PAID?
cuz if so, i will be joining the ranks of the "bw is dead" guys self quote cuz i habe no answer yet
none of these teams have sponsers yet as far as i know so they do not currently get paid.
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On September 16 2010 06:00 Full.tilt wrote:haha that's the first thing that came to mind as well after reading the OP, was surprised no one else posted it earlier
I know..:D can't believe no one gave this post love. I literally laughed out loud when I read that. Then I had to youtube the duck tales song.
Pretty exciting though to see all these awesome players switching over to SC2.
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On September 15 2010 21:01 NIIINO wrote:
remember kids, name is overrated as much as long sausage xD : )
i love We Made Fox, have no idea who is julyzerg but i hope i will get it soon
GL
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what
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On September 16 2010 05:48 MoriyaGXP wrote:
hoping to see some high rank bw pro to SC2
SC2 indeed is harder, u harder to mirco, and u can't build pure 2 units in the entire game, u need bunch of random unit to support the big battle army and etc
rofl
i remember watching some VOD where ppl were commenting about high APM in sc2.
the players APM was around 150-160 for both of them.
oh yeah, sc2 is much harder.
the macro is harder
the clicking 36 units is harder
the smart casting is harder
the automining is harder
hmmmm
yep
i guess any of these sc2 pros can switch to BW and dominate flash right?
no wonder washed up BW players are switching to SC2... for the challenge
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On September 16 2010 11:06 Garaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 05:48 MoriyaGXP wrote:
hoping to see some high rank bw pro to SC2
SC2 indeed is harder, u harder to mirco, and u can't build pure 2 units in the entire game, u need bunch of random unit to support the big battle army and etc rofl i remember watching some VOD where ppl were commenting about high APM in sc2. the players APM was around 150-160 for both of them. oh yeah, sc2 is much harder. the macro is harder the clicking 36 units is harder the smart casting is harder the automining is harder hmmmm yep i guess any of these sc2 pros can switch to BW and dominate flash right? no wonder washed up BW players are switching to SC2... for the challenge
APM is calculated differently, and the game is played differently. Micro and control is much more important, and macro isn't as easy as people assume it to be. So 150 is like 200 BW APM or more, if I've got the numbers right. As for the old BW pros switching, the speed/skill required isn't known yet. The potential isn't met. When it is, younger players will dominate again. Also, all the current generation of pro players pretty much copy the older generation and so on. They aren't creative. The SC2 players HAVE to be at least somewhat creative. You don't know the proper response to x yet, so you have to make it up.
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On September 16 2010 09:36 MavercK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 06:36 Heimatloser wrote:On September 16 2010 02:21 Heimatloser wrote:
has anybody asked the most important question yet?
DO THEY GET PAID?
cuz if so, i will be joining the ranks of the "bw is dead" guys self quote cuz i habe no answer yet none of these teams have sponsers yet as far as i know so they do not currently get paid.
iirc [Oops]Lee's team TSL (Team SCV Life) is sponsored in part by Gskill (around $15k) and EVGA/etc. That's still very low in the grand scheme of things, but there is some sponsorship.
edit: found their sponsor list. + Show Spoiler +
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Oh man, this gets me soooooo giddy, I liked whitera and the beta bunch, but seeing all these BW guys come back makes me sooooo happy I loved July
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it's about time for oGs to get a proper sponsor. I guess theyr still more like a clan than a team ?
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I'm sure its been joked about endlessly but heres to hoping Silent Control does not feint at a GSL ^_^
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On September 15 2010 21:26 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:14 w1kk wrote:
So what will guys like flash, jaedong, effort etc. do when they hear that all those old pros are making more money now with sc2 as they do with bw?
how long will it take for them to switch to sc2?
money rules the world. Sorry but money is still not with SC2 . Flash , Jaedong , Effort and most top players are well paid , so unless there are more leagues and paid salaries they won't change . And with the current balance of SC2 i see no reason for top players to switch for just only GSL and have some terran player use 1 of 100 rush builds and cheese them out of the league . Then they will only be watching SC2 on TV . Unless you are bad/retired in BW and you still want to be a progamer there is no other reason for top BW players switching to SC 2 .
so what your syaing in SCBW will be composed of the top 5% of their players and everyone else goes to SC2? fun!
On September 16 2010 11:06 Garaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 05:48 MoriyaGXP wrote:
hoping to see some high rank bw pro to SC2
SC2 indeed is harder, u harder to mirco, and u can't build pure 2 units in the entire game, u need bunch of random unit to support the big battle army and etc rofl i remember watching some VOD where ppl were commenting about high APM in sc2. the players APM was around 150-160 for both of them. oh yeah, sc2 is much harder. the macro is harder the clicking 36 units is harder the smart casting is harder the automining is harder hmmmm yep i guess any of these sc2 pros can switch to BW and dominate flash right? no wonder washed up BW players are switching to SC2... for the challenge
while Macro is technically easier to do it really just means there are more things you can do at once, it just changes where your attention is put. people need to get that
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On September 16 2010 11:06 Garaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 05:48 MoriyaGXP wrote:
hoping to see some high rank bw pro to SC2
SC2 indeed is harder, u harder to mirco, and u can't build pure 2 units in the entire game, u need bunch of random unit to support the big battle army and etc rofl i remember watching some VOD where ppl were commenting about high APM in sc2. the players APM was around 150-160 for both of them. oh yeah, sc2 is much harder. the macro is harder the clicking 36 units is harder the smart casting is harder the automining is harder hmmmm yep i guess any of these sc2 pros can switch to BW and dominate flash right? no wonder washed up BW players are switching to SC2... for the challenge
If you smart mine to get 7% more minerals it requires individual manipulation of scvs which is harder than the current mining requirements in BW so that is out of the question. Almost all units have an on use or special ability making incombat micro more difficult. The SC2 APM recorder puts out 40% less than BW. So when you see NoNy playing at 250 its really closer to 400. TLO against losira playing at 300 is really closer to 500. So the APM argument is out of the question. The constant chronoboost/larvae/3 options for command centres make a massive long term macro difference in the game and requires an immense depth of knowledge of the game to determine what is the correct choice for a player that needs every single last edge in a game.
My friends that are BELOW the top 200 push around 200 apm for an entire game and they still regard themselves as slow being unable to perfectly bounce between their macro mechanics and perfect incombat skill-usage splitting their 4-5 different units and skill types in their fights for the best effect.
Saying sc2 isn't comparable to the BW in terms of taxing its players simply isn't a fair or reasonable request. Saying one is harder than the other is also far from anyones judgement except for those that DO play on the absolute bleeding edge, if you're just a scrub that plays casually and cant break into the 1500 diamond levels or push into the a- range of iccup then honestly you have no right to say what is hard and easy.
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dont destroy that thread by talking shit guys
i mean its the old pantech coach and SILENT_CONTROL
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too many people hating on KT FingerBoom in this thread =(
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StarTale is a decent name : ) it'll grow on everybody soon enough. Airforce ACE for SC2 lol
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On September 16 2010 14:09 SevenAteNine wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:26 raga4ka wrote:On September 15 2010 21:14 w1kk wrote:
So what will guys like flash, jaedong, effort etc. do when they hear that all those old pros are making more money now with sc2 as they do with bw?
how long will it take for them to switch to sc2?
money rules the world. Sorry but money is still not with SC2 . Flash , Jaedong , Effort and most top players are well paid , so unless there are more leagues and paid salaries they won't change . And with the current balance of SC2 i see no reason for top players to switch for just only GSL and have some terran player use 1 of 100 rush builds and cheese them out of the league . Then they will only be watching SC2 on TV . Unless you are bad/retired in BW and you still want to be a progamer there is no other reason for top BW players switching to SC 2 . so what your syaing in SCBW will be composed of the top 5% of their players and everyone else goes to SC2? fun!
The thing is, B-teamers still get some salaries, they may not be as much as top players get, but people still can live with them, which is something SC2 doesn't have, there are no sponsored teams, so you either win or starve, which doesn't attract many StarCraft players
On September 16 2010 15:02 Thurokiir wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 11:06 Garaman wrote:On September 16 2010 05:48 MoriyaGXP wrote:
hoping to see some high rank bw pro to SC2
SC2 indeed is harder, u harder to mirco, and u can't build pure 2 units in the entire game, u need bunch of random unit to support the big battle army and etc rofl i remember watching some VOD where ppl were commenting about high APM in sc2. the players APM was around 150-160 for both of them. oh yeah, sc2 is much harder. the macro is harder the clicking 36 units is harder the smart casting is harder the automining is harder hmmmm yep i guess any of these sc2 pros can switch to BW and dominate flash right? no wonder washed up BW players are switching to SC2... for the challenge If you smart mine to get 7% more minerals it requires individual manipulation of scvs which is harder than the current mining requirements in BW so that is out of the question. Almost all units have an on use or special ability making incombat micro more difficult. The SC2 APM recorder puts out 40% less than BW. So when you see NoNy playing at 250 its really closer to 400. TLO against losira playing at 300 is really closer to 500. So the APM argument is out of the question. The constant chronoboost/larvae/3 options for command centres make a massive long term macro difference in the game and requires an immense depth of knowledge of the game to determine what is the correct choice for a player that needs every single last edge in a game.
Actually, this thing about APM that Tasteless said is utter bullshit, there is no such thing, it is just that in BW AND SC2 clicks are not registered as actions.
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Nice to see more games comming around :O.
Funny quote...
today i was playing with a brasilian player that ONCE, beated Silent_Control at the WCG in Broodwar... Reason, i don't know if you guys know him. Really sweet to see him play actually. + Show Spoiler +
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On September 16 2010 17:39 Mortician wrote:
The thing is, B-teamers still get some salaries, they may not be as much as top players get, but people still can live with them, which is something SC2 doesn't have, there are no sponsored teams, so you either win or starve, which doesn't attract many StarCraft players
no, b-teamers just get to live for free
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And living for free is still better than having to beat a lot of pros to get money to live.
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On September 16 2010 21:34 imperator-xy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 17:39 Mortician wrote:
The thing is, B-teamers still get some salaries, they may not be as much as top players get, but people still can live with them, which is something SC2 doesn't have, there are no sponsored teams, so you either win or starve, which doesn't attract many StarCraft players
no, b-teamers just get to live for free
No, they don't. They may not get as much as A-teamers, but they still get some money, enough to make a living, its a job after all, you get paid
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What the hell will silver do with the current state of hydralisks ??
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On September 17 2010 03:54 Mortician wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 21:34 imperator-xy wrote:On September 16 2010 17:39 Mortician wrote:
The thing is, B-teamers still get some salaries, they may not be as much as top players get, but people still can live with them, which is something SC2 doesn't have, there are no sponsored teams, so you either win or starve, which doesn't attract many StarCraft players
no, b-teamers just get to live for free No, they don't. They may not get as much as A-teamers, but they still get some money, enough to make a living, its a job after all, you get paid
no, you have to be succesful to earn money. so you should at least be a part of the a-team. note that its korea and not the western world.
being in the b-team is just to be able to practise all day and fully concentrate on becoming good enough to play in proleague. why should the teams pay them any money if it makes no sense for them? those kids are happy if they can stay in a team's house and play all day.
even bad a-teamers barely earn any money, especially at teams like estro.
wasnt there a big thread about progaming being like slavery with lots of inside looks?
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On September 17 2010 06:21 imperator-xy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 03:54 Mortician wrote:On September 16 2010 21:34 imperator-xy wrote:On September 16 2010 17:39 Mortician wrote:
The thing is, B-teamers still get some salaries, they may not be as much as top players get, but people still can live with them, which is something SC2 doesn't have, there are no sponsored teams, so you either win or starve, which doesn't attract many StarCraft players
no, b-teamers just get to live for free No, they don't. They may not get as much as A-teamers, but they still get some money, enough to make a living, its a job after all, you get paid no, you have to be succesful to earn money. so you should at least be a part of the a-team. note that its korea and not the western world. being in the b-team is just to be able to practise all day and fully concentrate on becoming good enough to play in proleague. why should the teams pay them any money if it makes no sense for them? those kids are happy if they can stay in a team's house and play all day. even bad a-teamers barely earn any money, especially at teams like estro. wasnt there a big thread about progaming being like slavery with lots of inside looks?
dont remember any such a thread.
but i do remember some write down of the salaries of top 5 gamer per team, and i think the worst paid a teamer still got the equivalent of 1000 euro per month, which in fact is worse then a waiter in germany, but there is still much room down till the minimum wage of 450 euros (thats the salarie you get for doing nothing from the state), and in fact i think that it does go down that far in the b team houses...
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It's a cute name, makes me think of some cartoon. I cringed a bit at first, but relative to all the other sc team names it wasnt that bad.
I am excited by this, but everytime I see JulyZerg I can only think of that panda costume now...
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Stop with this bw/sc2 comparison plz. T_T
Btw : Intotherainbow =/= intotherain
Even though they may have almost the same name and are the same race they're two different persons.
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On September 17 2010 11:29 RaiZ wrote:
Stop with this bw/sc2 comparison plz. T_T
Btw : Intotherainbow =/= intotherain
Even though they may have almost the same name and are the same race they're two different persons.
 Intotherainbow is the apprentice of intotherain
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omgwtfbbqnubcaek! I can't wait for this all to be set in motion. I'm having flashbacks to the spectacular matches from 2004... Man, Nada vs Silent_Control from that series was spectacular.
And in case anyone missed it, ST = Sanitary Towel, also known as a maxi pad. Hence why the name is funnier than you realize.
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Koreans sure are awful att naming teams ^^ :D
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at least old progamers have something to do now
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On September 17 2010 07:21 Heimatloser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 06:21 imperator-xy wrote:On September 17 2010 03:54 Mortician wrote:On September 16 2010 21:34 imperator-xy wrote:On September 16 2010 17:39 Mortician wrote:
The thing is, B-teamers still get some salaries, they may not be as much as top players get, but people still can live with them, which is something SC2 doesn't have, there are no sponsored teams, so you either win or starve, which doesn't attract many StarCraft players
no, b-teamers just get to live for free No, they don't. They may not get as much as A-teamers, but they still get some money, enough to make a living, its a job after all, you get paid no, you have to be succesful to earn money. so you should at least be a part of the a-team. note that its korea and not the western world. being in the b-team is just to be able to practise all day and fully concentrate on becoming good enough to play in proleague. why should the teams pay them any money if it makes no sense for them? those kids are happy if they can stay in a team's house and play all day. even bad a-teamers barely earn any money, especially at teams like estro. wasnt there a big thread about progaming being like slavery with lots of inside looks? dont remember any such a thread. but i do remember some write down of the salaries of top 5 gamer per team, and i think the worst paid a teamer still got the equivalent of 1000 euro per month, which in fact is worse then a waiter in germany, but there is still much room down till the minimum wage of 450 euros (thats the salarie you get for doing nothing from the state), and in fact i think that it does go down that far in the b team houses...
yeah but dont be sure that they have things like minimum wage or a salary from the state in korea
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I cannot wait to see the god of war in action in starcraft 2 :D
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