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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
Interesting statistics 4 wins by zerg is kinda sad.... | ||
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HuHEN
United Kingdom514 Posts
On September 14 2010 03:55 kickinhead wrote: I was being sarcastic, but most of ppl saying that really mean it... Besides, Terran isn't really dominating as much as here in Korea. Most players even think P is the strongest race atm (ppl like Tester, JangMinChul (IrOn), etc.) Its building up, I cant wait till toss is getting the shit nerfed out of it once again. (BTW terran is dominating protoss in GOM so far) | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
On September 14 2010 03:56 Backpack wrote: So tournament win statistics after 1.5 months is how we are going to determine balance? *sigh* In combination with a lot of other similar statistics lately, I don't see how we can not discuss the state of Zerg. And Terran. And as an effect of that, all races. | ||
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HuHEN
United Kingdom514 Posts
On September 14 2010 04:00 Tabbris wrote: The new fad is that P is the strongest race men. this is so last month. Interesting statistics 4 wins by zerg is kinda sad.... Yeah, thats the fad, but unlike with terran ive seen absolutely no evidence, none. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On September 14 2010 04:00 HuHEN wrote: Its building up, I cant wait till toss is getting the shit nerfed out of it once again. (BTW terran is dominating protoss in GOM so far) Nearly every win T had over P was cuz of a very early or pretty early timing-attack and they do that cuz they don't wann get into the lategame vs a good Toss. | ||
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grmblfzzz
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On September 14 2010 02:11 Escape wrote: I think you also need to include the % of race entry to make this more meaningful. example: if 75% terran entries gave 75% terran winners, then it's pretty "balanced". Finally someone with at least a minimum amount of knowledge how to look at statistics without a blind eye. If there are only a handful of Zerg in each tournament the number of Zerg winners has to be lower than the rest and the "we are so underpowered" propaganda from the Zerg has quite a lot of people not even start playing the race because they think it is too hard. Everyone likes to win and its not a good idea to play a race which is branded with a big sign of "LOSER" by the loudest propaganda across all forums. Sure there are hardships for the Zerg race, but these arent caused by other races being overpowered, but rather by the map design and their currently too small size. | ||
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Krayze
United States213 Posts
Great post, thanks  | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On September 14 2010 04:09 Rabiator wrote: Finally someone with at least a minimum amount of knowledge how to look at statistics without a blind eye. If there are only a handful of Zerg in each tournament the number of Zerg winners has to be lower than the rest and the "we are so underpowered" propaganda from the Zerg has quite a lot of people not even start playing the race because they think it is too hard. Everyone likes to win and its not a good idea to play a race which is branded with a big sign of "LOSER" by the loudest propaganda across all forums. Sure there are hardships for the Zerg race, but these arent caused by other races being overpowered, but rather by the map design and their currently too small size. U forgot that Zergs dont use Nydus worms! | ||
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AeonStrife
United States918 Posts
Anyways, it nice to see these kind of results. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On September 14 2010 04:03 kickinhead wrote: Nearly every win T had over P was cuz of a very early or pretty early timing-attack and they do that cuz they don't wann get into the lategame vs a good Toss. Well it obviously works pretty well if tons of Terrans are winning tournaments. There's a difference between "You can't beat Protoss if the game goes beyond 10 minutes" and "You can guarantee a win if you attack the Protoss before 10 minutes". | ||
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LostDevil
Fiji283 Posts
On September 14 2010 04:09 Rabiator wrote: Finally someone with at least a minimum amount of knowledge how to look at statistics without a blind eye. If there are only a handful of Zerg in each tournament the number of Zerg winners has to be lower than the rest and the "we are so underpowered" propaganda from the Zerg has quite a lot of people not even start playing the race because they think it is too hard. Everyone likes to win and its not a good idea to play a race which is branded with a big sign of "LOSER" by the loudest propaganda across all forums. Sure there are hardships for the Zerg race, but these arent caused by other races being overpowered, but rather by the map design and their currently too small size. blizzard doesnt want only two races winning tournaments for the entire game life. so all of you in this thread with statistics hard-ons should at least mix some common sense into the equation. the maps being small may be PART of the equation but also on large maps zerg need creep to not get utterly decimated in big battles. the map structure itself and lack of viable static defense really hurts zerg among numerous other things that are discussed often on this site also -> German terran player claiming propaganda, what a surprise... | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On September 14 2010 04:00 Gigaudas wrote: In combination with a lot of other similar statistics lately, I don't see how we can not discuss the state of Zerg. And Terran. And as an effect of that, all races. The game is brand new and people are already spending more time discussing balance than playing. | ||
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HuHEN
United Kingdom514 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
People should also realize that dimaga and idra are definately way better than their results show. It's not fair to say zerg is fine when idra succeeds decently, when I see his playing being way more flawless than 90% of other "pros" currently. He wins because he plays close to perfectly while opponent doesn't. I'm not seeing the upcoming patch changing this anywhere close to 1:1:1. Complete change of map pool could do miracles for balance tho. Metalo is really the only fair map out of pool now that nobody really has a reason to whine about. I think scrap is good in that aspect also, but suppose I could be biased about it. Rest just have TERRAN marked all over em, and I don't understand why don't they just hire some sc1 proleague map makers to fill the hole. Maps are "fun" but it doesn't make sense why they all have to benefit terran. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On September 14 2010 04:29 HuHEN wrote: I think it is relevant though bibdy, it possible that if tosses learn to hold off early pushes they will become too strong in PvT, at this stage though, terrans are still winning, and winning alot. Of course, but which problem do you solve first? If none of the games last long enough to reach that "Impossible to win against Protoss after 10 minutes" scenario, how can you prove its not just hearsay and rumour? And you have to look at the games where Protoss do win these long games and find out how long the game actually was and why it got that far. Did the Protoss actually fend off the early attack, or did the Terran play passively and set himself up for the eventual failure? Did the Terran spend the rest of the match throwing bio balls against Psi Storm (you definitely see that all-too often) or did he throw everything and the kitchen sink at the guy and still get crushed? | ||
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HuHEN
United Kingdom514 Posts
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