EPTWinning twice weekly tournaments with $50 price pools means so little. Total earnings mean a lot more, and as you can see, they are quite balanced.
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BaaL`
297 Posts
Winning twice weekly tournaments with $50 price pools means so little. Total earnings mean a lot more, and as you can see, they are quite balanced. | ||
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Thall
Switzerland214 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On September 14 2010 05:26 Thall wrote: and then some ppl actually think Z is fine Dimaga has 3 golds! It's fair!  | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 14 2010 05:30 3clipse wrote: It's totally balanced guys! Statistics? High level testimonials? These things mean nothing! you mean stats like terran vs protoss = 50.3% win and terran vs zerg = 50.4% win ? (from sc2ranks) Or stats like http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings ? | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On September 14 2010 05:32 MrCon wrote: you mean stats like terran vs protoss = 50.3% win and terran vs zerg = 50.4% win ? (from sc2ranks) Or stats like http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings ? You can't use a fucking win% matchmaking system designed to match people up with people of equal skill as evidence. If anything the top 10/200 etc being dominated by t/z is the only relevant information if you want to use ladder stats. And what was the winnings supposed to prove? That a pro BW player living in korea playing more then anyone can manage to win a couple tournaments? SC2ranks win% just shows that blizzards amm works pretty well. | ||
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hijt
106 Posts
On September 14 2010 05:32 MrCon wrote: you mean stats like terran vs protoss = 50.3% win and terran vs zerg = 50.4% win ? (from sc2ranks) Or stats like http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings ? no he talks about people who dont know how the matchmaking system works....oh wait... | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
its bs to not see that terrans win too many cups. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On September 14 2010 05:24 BaaL` wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings Winning twice weekly tournaments with $50 price pools means so little. Total earnings mean a lot more, and as you can see, they are quite balanced. Wha'? What does the total winnings have to do with it? That's just putting more emphasis and weight on one competition than another. If a Terran won a single $500,000 contest and a Protoss won FIVE HUNDRED separate $1,000 contests, it would be balanced? I don't follow the logic. | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
On September 14 2010 03:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I love threads like this it boosts my self esteem every time I see someone who knows absolutely nothing about elementary statistics make some conclusion with insufficient evidence Me too. Like when someone concludes that the data presented here can be explained away by imagining the existence of further data which would also be exceedingly unlikely if the races were in fact balanced, namely that a highly disproportionate number of top players make a balance-unrelated choice to play Terran in contests where money is at stake. | ||
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Winter_mute
Germany40 Posts
Protip: if somebody does this IRL to you, just make outrageous stuff up and watch him find a way to twist and warp your claim until it fits in his worldview. :D | ||
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
On September 14 2010 05:32 MrCon wrote: you mean stats like terran vs protoss = 50.3% win and terran vs zerg = 50.4% win ? (from sc2ranks) Or stats like http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings ? I don't know if you were being serious, but ladder stats don't reflect play at the highest level at all. These stats might not be perfect, as not all tournaments were created equal as far as contestant quality goes, and matchup/map statistics are ignored, but they are going in the right direction. Ladder stats aren't useful for anything other than ladder analysis. Once you get a good number of high level tournaments to analyze, then things like matchup statistics will become useful enough that you can draw conclusions about balance. Also winnings stats? Really? Whoever wins the GSL will automatically put his race in the top spot with an insurmountable lead. I don't know what winnings stats say about anything. | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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Chewie
Denmark708 Posts
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godzillathrilla
Nauru75 Posts
On September 14 2010 05:44 sjschmidt93 wrote: Yeah... I'm pretty sure Morrow is the best in the world. Certainly the best foreigner, only IdrA could be second. Foreigners in Korea will always be better than those outside it because they play much better players on average, whereas MorroW racking up lower-skill cups doesn't even equate. | ||
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Speedbump
New Zealand338 Posts
I would like to see the results of something like this a few months after a new map pack comes out. Cheers for the number crunching though, it makes interesting reading. | ||
fams
Canada731 Posts
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
not to mention, the most recent european tounrey, i think 90% of the participants are terran too | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 14 2010 05:52 godzillathrilla wrote: Foreigners in Korea will always be better than those outside it because they play much better players on average, whereas MorroW racking up lower-skill cups doesn't even equate. Yeah, like IEM where... ohwait. | ||
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