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BaaL`
Profile Joined May 2010
297 Posts
September 13 2010 20:24 GMT
#181
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings

Winning twice weekly tournaments with $50 price pools means so little. Total earnings mean a lot more, and as you can see, they are quite balanced.
Thall
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Switzerland214 Posts
September 13 2010 20:26 GMT
#182
and then some ppl actually think Z is fine
This strategy is made of balls ! - Nick "Tasteless" Plott, during GSL cast
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
September 13 2010 20:28 GMT
#183
On September 14 2010 05:26 Thall wrote:
and then some ppl actually think Z is fine


Dimaga has 3 golds! It's fair!
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
September 13 2010 20:30 GMT
#184
It's totally balanced guys! Statistics? High level testimonials? These things mean nothing!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 13 2010 20:32 GMT
#185
On September 14 2010 05:30 3clipse wrote:
It's totally balanced guys! Statistics? High level testimonials? These things mean nothing!

you mean stats like terran vs protoss = 50.3% win and terran vs zerg = 50.4% win ? (from sc2ranks)
Or stats like
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings
?
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 20:37:26
September 13 2010 20:35 GMT
#186
On September 14 2010 05:32 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 05:30 3clipse wrote:
It's totally balanced guys! Statistics? High level testimonials? These things mean nothing!

you mean stats like terran vs protoss = 50.3% win and terran vs zerg = 50.4% win ? (from sc2ranks)
Or stats like
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings
?


You can't use a fucking win% matchmaking system designed to match people up with people of equal skill as evidence. If anything the top 10/200 etc being dominated by t/z is the only relevant information if you want to use ladder stats.

And what was the winnings supposed to prove? That a pro BW player living in korea playing more then anyone can manage to win a couple tournaments?

SC2ranks win% just shows that blizzards amm works pretty well.
#1 Kwanro Fan
hijt
Profile Joined August 2010
106 Posts
September 13 2010 20:35 GMT
#187
On September 14 2010 05:32 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 05:30 3clipse wrote:
It's totally balanced guys! Statistics? High level testimonials? These things mean nothing!

you mean stats like terran vs protoss = 50.3% win and terran vs zerg = 50.4% win ? (from sc2ranks)
Or stats like
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings
?


no he talks about people who dont know how the matchmaking system works....oh wait...
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
September 13 2010 20:36 GMT
#188
dimaga and idra are up there because of iem...nothing else
its bs to not see that terrans win too many cups.
FTD
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-13 20:39:55
September 13 2010 20:38 GMT
#189
On September 14 2010 05:24 BaaL` wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings

Winning twice weekly tournaments with $50 price pools means so little. Total earnings mean a lot more, and as you can see, they are quite balanced.


Wha'? What does the total winnings have to do with it? That's just putting more emphasis and weight on one competition than another. If a Terran won a single $500,000 contest and a Protoss won FIVE HUNDRED separate $1,000 contests, it would be balanced? I don't follow the logic.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
September 13 2010 20:40 GMT
#190
On September 14 2010 03:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I love threads like this

it boosts my self esteem every time I see someone who knows absolutely nothing about elementary statistics make some conclusion with insufficient evidence


Me too. Like when someone concludes that the data presented here can be explained away by imagining the existence of further data which would also be exceedingly unlikely if the races were in fact balanced, namely that a highly disproportionate number of top players make a balance-unrelated choice to play Terran in contests where money is at stake.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Winter_mute
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany40 Posts
September 13 2010 20:41 GMT
#191
You just have to love it when people obsessivly try to interprete data in way that terran and zerg are balanced. I mean we are coming to the point that it is pretty much a fact that terran are either OP or at least tons more fun to play in comparision to zerg. (Or people simply hate the zerg graphics and don't want to admit it.)

Protip: if somebody does this IRL to you, just make outrageous stuff up and watch him find a way to twist and warp your claim until it fits in his worldview. :D
Neverplay
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria532 Posts
September 13 2010 20:43 GMT
#192
sick sick, poor zergs :S
Better light a candle than curse the darkness
Aquafresh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States824 Posts
September 13 2010 20:43 GMT
#193
On September 14 2010 05:32 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 05:30 3clipse wrote:
It's totally balanced guys! Statistics? High level testimonials? These things mean nothing!

you mean stats like terran vs protoss = 50.3% win and terran vs zerg = 50.4% win ? (from sc2ranks)
Or stats like
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings
?


I don't know if you were being serious, but ladder stats don't reflect play at the highest level at all. These stats might not be perfect, as not all tournaments were created equal as far as contestant quality goes, and matchup/map statistics are ignored, but they are going in the right direction. Ladder stats aren't useful for anything other than ladder analysis. Once you get a good number of high level tournaments to analyze, then things like matchup statistics will become useful enough that you can draw conclusions about balance.

Also winnings stats? Really? Whoever wins the GSL will automatically put his race in the top spot with an insurmountable lead. I don't know what winnings stats say about anything.
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
September 13 2010 20:44 GMT
#194
Yeah... I'm pretty sure Morrow is the best in the world. Certainly the best foreigner, only IdrA could be second.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Chewie
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark708 Posts
September 13 2010 20:46 GMT
#195
respect to the zerg players
godzillathrilla
Profile Joined September 2010
Nauru75 Posts
September 13 2010 20:52 GMT
#196
On September 14 2010 05:44 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Yeah... I'm pretty sure Morrow is the best in the world. Certainly the best foreigner, only IdrA could be second.


Foreigners in Korea will always be better than those outside it because they play much better players on average, whereas MorroW racking up lower-skill cups doesn't even equate.
Speedbump
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
New Zealand338 Posts
September 13 2010 20:53 GMT
#197
To be honest, I believe that the main reason Zerg hasn't been doing well is based on the map pool. (Most of the maps have been analyzed by players far greater than I'll ever be, with pretty much similar opinions between them. This has been rather evident when watching the GSL, and which maps Zerg tend to thumb down.)

I would like to see the results of something like this a few months after a new map pack comes out.
Cheers for the number crunching though, it makes interesting reading.
fams
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada731 Posts
September 13 2010 21:00 GMT
#198
Thanks, and WOW at Terran tourny DOMINANCE : O
http://www.twitter.com/famsytron/
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
September 13 2010 21:02 GMT
#199
loooooooooooooooooooooooool =)
not to mention, the most recent european tounrey, i think 90% of the participants are terran too
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 13 2010 21:06 GMT
#200
On September 14 2010 05:52 godzillathrilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 05:44 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Yeah... I'm pretty sure Morrow is the best in the world. Certainly the best foreigner, only IdrA could be second.


Foreigners in Korea will always be better than those outside it because they play much better players on average, whereas MorroW racking up lower-skill cups doesn't even equate.

Yeah, like IEM where... ohwait.
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