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Hi all. Something just occurred to me and I wanted to see what you guys thought.
I'm #4 in my Gold league at the moment, having been placed at #60ish gold to begin with. In between, I've won 65 of 120 matches. However, my opponents have not in general been gold level players themselves. I get a lot of silver and a few bronze (and the occasional platinum) with only a sprinkling of gold players.
This got me thinking: how the heck am I ever going to end up where I should be?
The matchmaking system ensures I get a decent win record, and thus a decent number of points. Since this applies to everyone below top tier, presumably I'm either playing more than others in my league, or they're being promoted out of my way. So even though, in all likelihood, I should be in silver, I can't see how the system can ever put me there. I mean, surely it can't watch me go from #60 to #4 and then announce "You've been demoted!"
Surely the 'favoured/even' comparison and subsequent point allocation should be based on visible rank, not hidden matchmaking rank, in order for the two to have a hope of converging. Or am I missing something important?
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On September 07 2010 22:36 Umpteen wrote:
Hi all. Something just occurred to me and I wanted to see what you guys thought.
I'm #4 in my Gold league at the moment, having been placed at #60ish gold to begin with. In between, I've won 65 of 120 matches. However, my opponents have not in general been gold level players themselves. I get a lot of silver and a few bronze (and the occasional platinum) with only a sprinkling of gold players.
This got me thinking: how the heck am I ever going to end up where I should be?
The matchmaking system ensures I get a decent win record, and thus a decent number of points. Since this applies to everyone below top tier, presumably I'm either playing more than others in my league, or they're being promoted out of my way. So even though, in all likelihood, I should be in silver, I can't see how the system can ever put me there. I mean, surely it can't watch me go from #60 to #4 and then announce "You've been demoted!"
Surely the 'favoured/even' comparison and subsequent point allocation should be based on visible rank, not hidden matchmaking rank, in order for the two to have a hope of converging. Or am I missing something important?
You have to beat more players in the league above you to get promoted, by the sounds of things you saying you mostly play silver/bronze players is because that's more towards your skill level, I'd guess you were placed in gold because you beat a fair few gold but havn't had the same results when playing against Platinum players.
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On September 08 2010 00:19 Nvi wrote:
You have to beat more players in the league above you to get promoted, by the sounds of things you saying you mostly play silver/bronze players is because that's more towards your skill level, I'd guess you were placed in gold because you beat a fair few gold but havn't had the same results when playing against Platinum players.
Sorry; can't have been clear enough: I'm not asking how I'll ever get promoted, I'm asking how will the system ever manage to put me in silver where I belong 
Because the matchmaking works, I win ~50% of the time. With that and the bonus pool, I keep earning points, which pushes me up the league I'm in. Let's say Mr Protoss, who's also in the same league as me vying for the top spot, is playing all gold players. He too is winning 50% of the time, and he's getting the same points I am because points gained are based on the hidden matchmaking comparison, not his visible standing vs their visible standing. If I play more than he does, I can rise higher in the league than him, despite playing easier opponents.
Strictly speaking, I should be in silver, but the system can't realistically put me there because I'm going *UP* the gold league. It can't possibly move me from #60 gold to #4 gold and then demote me to silver; that would just look stupid - even though it's the right thing to do.
That make more sense?
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i like playing st2 very much, but i do not play well
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Hey TL community..
Just a quick question on cheese prevention... (probably not so quick) [not sure if this should go into a separate thread or what not)
Long story short. In tournies (like the following : http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/1on1/goldplatinum16/rankings/ ) I have no problem playing Top platinum players and beating them.
I've found that this is because people are less liking to gamble on a cheese move and rather player more "standard" game rather than lose, as losing == gg norekthnxbi
But when it comes to ladder matches(where losing isn't an issue for some) I constantly find myself losing to lower gold league players because of things like :
1) Toss towering up and Void Ray rushing
2) Mass siege in base and banshee rush.
etc.
Anyone got any tips on how to fight off those initial cheese rushes with a standard 3-5rax build? + expansion?
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Dear PvP,
Would you please crawl up in a hole and die? If that's too much to ask, could you at least stop sucking as hard as you do now? Letting us expand would be nice, or maybe you could stop forcing us to go for a 10gate all of the time.
Sincerely,
P
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@UltraLord
I'm in ~800elo diamond, and let me tell you, it doesn't get any better.
I had 5 cheese games in a row earlier today.
6 pool, cannon into VR, proxy 2gate zealot, proxy zealot into VR, then banshee rush
The best advice I can give you is to scout more. If you catch their cheese early, they'll have no chance of catching you off-guard with it and lose due to their lack of economy.
First, check for obvious warning signs like: only 6 drones in base (duh), no gateway/rax in base when you scout, Protoss building a forge before their gateway, and Terran making nothing but marines. In the vast majority of cases, these are the visible openings of a cheese.
Second, figure out what the cheese is. Check your base for proxies, scan the corner of theirs for a hidden Starport, etc.
Third, make the appropriate units / static defenses to counter it. If someone Banshee rushes you and you have 2 missile turrets and a viking, what are they going to do?
Fourth, after you fend off their cheese, expand and out-macro them. If you soundly defeated whatever they were doing, they're not gonna be able to stop you from expanding, so take advantage of it.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
I won all 5 of my placement matches but was only placed in Plat. Exactly what do u need to do to get placed in Diamond? And how does the placement system work in sc2?
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On September 09 2010 06:26 Seeker wrote:
I won all 5 of my placement matches but was only placed in Plat. Exactly what do u need to do to get placed in Diamond? And how does the placement system work in sc2?
you cant place directly into diamond, just keep playing and you will get promoted. The minimum number of games is ~20, but it took day9 60, and i have heard of others taking hundreds
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On September 09 2010 06:28 NukeTheBunnys wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2010 06:26 Seeker wrote:
I won all 5 of my placement matches but was only placed in Plat. Exactly what do u need to do to get placed in Diamond? And how does the placement system work in sc2? you cant place directly into diamond, just keep playing and you will get promoted. The minimum number of games is ~20, but it took day9 60, and i have heard of others taking hundreds
It took me ~ 100 from bronze, jumped to gold, then plat, then into mid diamond. So yea, it varies, and depends on the level of your opponent.
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How do you put SCVs on auto-repair?
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Australia3818 Posts
On September 09 2010 10:19 Devolved wrote:
How do you put SCVs on auto-repair?
Right-click on the repair icon.
When are Blizzard going to remove the region-lock?
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the way you play can be more bm that the guy who curse you , because he know you got no respect while playing him ( because you think he stupid ) , so most people understand that and do what you call BAD MANNER , in fact many people deserve it and just make fun of the angry guy.
seriously many smart ass deserve the bm , but keep making fun of them ! just wanted to say it .
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Why does my screen sometimes jump across the map when I'm trying to micro units fast?
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you may accidentally press space bar or you double tap the wrong hotkey
or you might be having your army as control group 1, so that maybe you accidentally pressed f1 and it goes to an idle worker somewhere
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On September 09 2010 14:33 Devolved wrote:
Why does my screen sometimes jump across the map when I'm trying to micro units fast?
My guess is you are playing on a laptop and forgot to disable the touchpad. Happens to me all the time.
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On September 09 2010 15:53 Linkdx wrote:
you may accidentally press space bar or you double tap the wrong hotkey
or you might be having your army as control group 1, so that maybe you accidentally pressed f1 and it goes to an idle worker somewhere
Ahhh yes, it's probably the F1 key I'm accidentally hitting. I didn't even know that F1 cycled through idle workers (that should be handy). I've never looked to see where it centers because it's always right in the middle of a battle and I go back the battle field asap. Gonna have to be more careful about that, or just never have any idle workers 
More questions:
Do armor upgrades help against fungal growth?
How do you disable the menu buttons so you don't accidentally hit them during the game when selecting stuff?
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I hope the new balance patch and name change comes "soon"..... =[
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blizz said mid september... I am curious why its taking such a long time when they already know what they are going to fix. Its not like various tournaments haven't shown us the strengths of certain units/openings why not balance asap?
Reminds me of deathknights in WoW. Everyone knew they were OPed and blizz kept playing the "too early" card and we all had to suffer many months of seeing DK domination over everything from pvp to pve.
Armors don't affect spells such as storm and FG to my knowledge
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I certainly think this isn't worth a thread on its own:
I would like to request a wallpaper showing only zerg creep on the screen so I could set it on as my desktop wallpaper. Something like 1920x1200 would be greatly appreciated!
Then I could shopp it and put it as my Home Screen wallpaper for iPhone ^_^
Thanks in advance!
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