It's actually an old reason, but I feel this is what is causing Zerg and Protoss players to lose in high level, competitive play.
Terrans music is overpowered.
As we all know, the Terran race has the best music. This is not arguable, as there are no conditions in which Protoss or Zerg music is better. Yes, Marauders are overpowered, but in the right circumstances a Stalker is better for anti-air. Yes, Reapers are overpowered, but after about 10 minutes into the game they stop being OP. However, at every point of the game, no matter what, Terrans music is overpowered.
This is the Terran music. Listen to it as you read the thread. Does it get you pumped? Does it make you feel like grabbing a flamethrower, smoking a cigar and frying everything that moves around you? Yes, it does. Now that you are reading while listening to music, you cannot help but get your adrenaline pumping, and feel that urge to own noobs.
It is clear that this music makes you a better player. Why do you think Terrans can play so effectively with such a low APM? It is because the music makes their units better. Pure and simple.
Here we have a Zerg player admitting the profound true reason why he is losing his games: + Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2010 07:04 monitor wrote: That's why I've been losing my games!! The Zerg music is making my units weaker, and distracting me from my over 9000 APM.
In comparison, the Zerg music is slow, low key, and positively dank. There are no impressive guitar solos. There are no adrenaline pumping beats. This kind of music forces the Zerg player to play reactively and think inside the box. They are not playing aggressively because the music is not telling them to play aggressive.
The Protoss music is very much holier than thou, and extremely haughty. And it too is slow. This sort of music compels a player to do some specific thing that they think is so smart that it alone will win them the game. This is why we see Protoss players doing so many proxy's, and so many sneaky bits ingrained into their tech tree. Is it because their race is designed to work this way? No. It is because of the music.
I would like to submit to Team Liquid, that clearly, Terrans music needs a nerf. Every time I hear it I have an impulsive desire to put on cowboy boots, get my six shooter, and fly through the stars with nothing but a brown coat and a handful of Chinese curse words to my name.
Clearly this is a problem that Blizzard desperately needs to address.
Thank you for your time.
PS:
As pointed out by SubtleArt, the in-game UI voice is also the best for Terran, and this exacerbates the problem. If you play Zerg, your announcer is a grandma. If you play Protoss, your announcer is some kind of priest. If you play Terran, your announcer is a robot babe. That's right. A robot babe.
The combination of badass music and robot babe is clearly unstoppable.
On September 01 2010 06:58 dotFX wrote: Is this a joke? I think like 3 people actually listen to the in game music.
hohoho a challenger appears..
Just when I thought the OP's irrefutable analysis was enough to create a proper thread captain statistics comes in with this obviously thought out point to shut this thread down for good.
What will happen next?
Also I want to point out that this has NEVER happened on TeamLiquid before, so I will subscribe to this thread and add it to my feed so I don't forget to check back for updates.
Aww, and I thought I could abuse this for at least a little longer! Cat's out of the bag though With this realization the next nerfs will decimate the Terran race.
Very true OP :D/ Terran music is pretty awesome, reminds me of a mix between Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd for some reason, lol.
Oh and don't forget, the reason why Zerg is the crappiest race is because of how terrible the voice acting is. Makes me want to do the opposite of what the narrator says -_-. Her: "You require more meeeeneraaaaaaaaaallllzzzzzzzzzzzzz" Me: "NO!!!! GTFO OF MY GAME!!!"
When I saw the title to the thread, I was prepared for something stupid. I didn't think that it would open my eyes to the real source of all the racial imbalance. Thank you for enlightening me.
This is obviously the source of all the problems. Simply nerf Terran's music and all the imbalance issues are gone. All the lesser problems stem from this huge overarching issue.
Instead of a terran music nerf, i propose a buff to both zerg and protoss music!
In the end, i wholeheartedly agree with the OP. But honestly, I like the Zerg music, but it just seems like its suppressed... like its trying to get up off its feet, but falls asleep again. There's definitely room for some sick guitar solos in the Zerg theme that would be positively awesome.
Fortunately I possess the CE and thus the whole soundtrack. Thanks to that I can hear this lovely theme (it's named "Heaven's Devils" by the way) while playing Zerg mwhahaha. Or even better I hear "Cards to play", which results in instant wins.
Terran Music was already nerfed badly enough in SC2. I have to go back to BW just to remember how good Terran Music used to be. We really don't need to nerf Terran Music any further, guys.
I think the problem is that there is no real counter to terran music. I think blizzard should give infestors an ability to shut down the opponent music for 1 minute or so. And before you jump on me saying that it would be incredibly OP, it could be an upgrade (200/200/120?) or smth.
On a more serious note, i always thought that spells that would disable your opponent's ability to play would be awesome: how about a spell that will cause the opponent's screen to go dark for 2 seconds. Or stop all keyboard input for 5 seconds. I think that would add a new fun dimension.
Terran music is the only remotely memorable music. Only bits I remember of the 'toss soundtrack is the initial voices when you start making probes, then it's just ambient. And zerg? Didn't even realize they have music.
On September 01 2010 07:08 Kanil wrote: Terran Music was already nerfed badly enough in SC2. I have to go back to BW just to remember how good Terran Music used to be. We really don't need to nerf Terran Music any further, guys.
now i'm gonna ask you this once, and once only.
DO I HAVE TO MAKE YOU LISTEN TO THE F****NG ZERG MUSIC?
please go kill yourself if you think your music is bad
On September 01 2010 07:04 monitor wrote: That's why I've been losing my games!! The Zerg music is making my units weaker, and distracting me from my over 9000 APM.
On September 01 2010 07:08 Kanil wrote: Terran Music was already nerfed badly enough in SC2. I have to go back to BW just to remember how good Terran Music used to be. We really don't need to nerf Terran Music any further, guys.
now i'm gonna ask you this once, and once only.
DO I HAVE TO MAKE YOU LISTEN TO THE F****NG ZERG MUSIC?
On September 01 2010 07:08 Kanil wrote: Terran Music was already nerfed badly enough in SC2. I have to go back to BW just to remember how good Terran Music used to be. We really don't need to nerf Terran Music any further, guys.
now i'm gonna ask you this once, and once only.
DO I HAVE TO MAKE YOU LISTEN TO THE F****NG ZERG MUSIC?
Now that we know that Zerg music just can't compete with the Terran one, we Zerg players got the get creative and utilize what we are given.
With that in mind, I tried listening to OP Terran music while playing, but the suggestive power of the music was so strong, that I actually send my lings to kill each other. This awesome sight made me very happy to say the least, but at some point the music stopped ... and it said I was defeated...
I love Zerg music, because I hardly notice it through gameplay, it just assimilates with your brain. I remember I played Terran and was like, oh duh nice space country style, and lost, paying too much attention to it
I always enjoyed Starcraft music and I have to agree that Terran music is the best out of the three so far. The Zerg theme music is lacking compared to Stacraft : Brood Wars.
In addition, the sound effects for the units attacking for Terran are so much cooler than the other races. For examples, think about the sound that Marauders make when they shoot. Now compare it to the Starcraft 2 Hydralisk. Those spines sound so weak compared to the acid spit in SC:BW. It makes me so sad. Another example are the Zealot blades. They seemed so badass in SC:BW and now ...eh.
Awesome thread, and i completely agree. Ive actually been thinking for a while now that you should be able to choose music in the sound options, would be so fuckin awesome.
It is so true. The music Blizzard created for Tarren actually triggers a chemical release in one's brain to completely destroy the other races without trying hard! This chemical is called imbamine (Im-bah-meen) and is illegal if used while not playing video games, because you will be successful and famous without trying hard at all. If Blizzard nerfs the Tarren music, this game will be truly balanced and EMP and marauders will no longer be a problem.
The OP is totally right. Terran music was imba in BW and it is also imba in SC2. It is the real reason why Terran is considered the best race right now!
Hopefully the expansions add more such flavor things for the other 2. The Terran death animations are way cooler too. Adds to the enjoyment of beating them ^_^
As a 1000+ rainbow league toss player I have to say the OP is completly correct. Coming from a background of Red Alert/ frank klepacki music (along with my league rank) I feel qualified to say that the solution to this problem is to give each race a panic button which will mute the Terran opponents music for 5 seconds. Through extensive tests I have discovered that the Terran music gives their units +25% HP along with a +50% rate of fire. By using the panic button Protoss and Zerg could have a momentary breather giving them just enough time to type GG.
Zerg and Protoss need a spell that changes Terran music to full volume Justin Bieber that stays on no matter what. Or is Bieber too imba? Maybe just the Backstreet Boys at half volume?
On September 01 2010 06:57 Ketara wrote: As pointed out by SubtleArt, the in-game UI voice is also the best for Terran, and this exacerbates the problem. If you play Zerg, your announcer is a grandma. If you play Protoss, your announcer is some kind of priest. If you play Terran, your announcer is a robot babe. That's right. A robot babe.
The combination of badass music and robot babe is clearly unstoppable.
This thread is made of win. A friend of mine pointed out in Beta that it sounded very Firefly-esque and I had to agree. How can the Zerg or Protoss even dream to hope to stand up to a true Space Cowboy?
Hahaha, I find that for me this is true, I enjoy the Terran music, (APM +50 unlocked) it gets me in the mood at the beginning of games. Besides the Terran UI voice has always had a pimp feeling to it.
I've managed to peak at 300~ current APM while microing with this music which I will argue is better than the theme for Terran in BW.
On September 01 2010 06:57 Ketara wrote: I would like to submit to Team Liquid, that clearly, Terrans music needs a nerf. Every time I hear it I have an impulsive desire to put on cowboy boots, get my six shooter, and fly through the stars with nothing but a brown coat and a handful of Chinese curse words to my name.
Firefly Refences FTW! lol
Epic thread, I must agree that Terran music is unstoppable :D.
On September 01 2010 07:08 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: Fortunately I possess the CE and thus the whole soundtrack. Thanks to that I can hear this lovely theme (it's named "Heaven's Devils" by the way) while playing Zerg mwhahaha. Or even better I hear "Cards to play", which results in instant wins.
I used to play Terran in the beta, and I definitely think it is the best of the three races. The Protoss music got slightly better with the addition of the periodic DUN... DUN... DUN... which transitions between pieces. The Zerg music is just meh all around.
Im not going to lie I totally agree with this, when i play terran for 2v2 (so i can carry pretty much anyone) i really cant wait to get my hellions out and roast some zerglings
i wouldn't say that the protoss and zerg music aren't good...they are actually really brilliant pieces of music, but not something you would want to listen to and say "i am going to PWN your face" but instead stuff that are more like "i think X represents Y" while you sip a cup of tea...
I think terran music is pretty good, i feel like the other races got shafted. however, zergs got the most epic song back in broodwar, if you type in radio free zerg, when ever you play zerg.
As pointed out by SubtleArt, the in-game UI voice is also the best for Terran, and this exacerbates the problem. If you play Zerg, your announcer is a grandma. If you play Protoss, your announcer is some kind of priest. If you play Terran, your announcer is a robot babe. That's right. A robot babe.
The combination of badass music and robot babe is clearly unstoppable.
+1 for a good funny troll.
I like all the music, really. Just enough of the old SC1 music to joggle my memory a bit, but not so much as to make me think I'm playing the same game completely.
Ya, I have to totally agree, in BW at least the in game voice was awesome, now..."weee require more meeeneraaaaaaalllsssss". Really, Bliz? C'mon, now. Patch 1.4: Overmind restored as UI voice.
On September 01 2010 10:25 cr4ckshot wrote: If we complain enough on the official blizzard forum, do you think they will buff zerg and protoss music in the next patch?
On September 01 2010 07:06 TSL-Lore wrote: Instead of a terran music nerf, i propose a buff to both zerg and protoss music!
In the end, i wholeheartedly agree with the OP. But honestly, I like the Zerg music, but it just seems like its suppressed... like its trying to get up off its feet, but falls asleep again. There's definitely room for some sick guitar solos in the Zerg theme that would be positively awesome.
Agreed.
The Terran music is really pretty decent. I pretty much always turn of music in games becasue it mostly terrible, and just listen to my own stuff. But I actually keep the game music on when I play SC2 with terran.
At first I was a little confuse... but after listening for Terran music for the first time.. It was like I reached a new level of awareness! My keyboard started to glow, my mouse moved by itself, keys going down with my hands in the back ! Hell by the time I realized what happened I was #1 in my division !
On September 01 2010 10:25 cr4ckshot wrote: If we complain enough on the official blizzard forum, do you think they will buff zerg and protoss music in the next patch?
there is always hope my friend!!
Not evar. Blizzard's way to dealing with balance issues is nerfing things. Since it's such a crucial balance problem here there's no chance in hell that well see a buff to z or p music, more likely a nerf in terran's music. That's so sad. Guess well have to wait until heart of the swarm cames out to get some new stuff and hope a few imba musics come in too for whoever is still playing with zergs by then. Count me in, patch 1.1 was awesome. :D
I really hate terran music in sc2 because I compare it to BW and we all know terran music in BW is the best. ( for example of awesomeness.) The one in sc2 is just shit compared to that.
My opinion: Its true we all know terran music is better. but i would like to see how many peaple are playing with the game music.. personnaly im a zerg player and i play with game sound but not music. i think we cant say ok terran are op look at the music... well i respect ur opinion but its mine.. =D
On September 01 2010 10:56 Chairman Ray wrote: What if we as players mute the zerg and protoss music and play terran music in the background. Would that make it balanced?
Don't! It's a trap, it'll make all zerg units slowly die as if being poisoned. But it's a good point, z and p music are really crappy compared to terran... Any other suggestions of music s to hear while playing z or t? Because playing with them hearing the Terrans theme just doesn't sound right...
On September 01 2010 11:18 PhiliBiRD wrote: how did this thread not get closed?
Because i want Kerrigen's voice when I play zerg and protoss babe's voice when i play Protoss! Yeah I want the voice of that babe in one of the missions where we r to choose the sides.
On September 01 2010 11:18 PhiliBiRD wrote: how did this thread not get closed?
Because i want Kerrigen's voice when I play zerg and protoss babe's voice when i play Protoss! Yeah I want the voice of that babe in one of the missions where we r to choose the sides.
On September 01 2010 07:07 MangoTango wrote: What is this I don't even. Yeah, the Terran music is pretty imba.
Patch 1.1: Terran music now all tracks off Hannah Montana's latest album. SC2 racial balance fixed! :dusts off hands:
<3 browncoats.
On September 01 2010 08:23 Slow Motion wrote: Zerg and Protoss need a spell that changes Terran music to full volume Justin Bieber that stays on no matter what. Or is Bieber too imba? Maybe just the Backstreet Boys at half volume?
Beiber/Hannah Montana mashup as the new Terran music? That'd be a nerf. Then maybe the rest of us would stand a chance when listening to in game music
Steven Siegal Plays terran.. also Jean Claude Van Damme that's why we got it ez pz... (man, I'm always using the imba race. Protoss in SC BW then Terran in SC 2, FML)
On September 01 2010 06:57 Ketara wrote: I would like to submit to Team Liquid, that clearly, Terrans music needs a nerf. Every time I hear it I have an impulsive desire to put on cowboy boots, get my six shooter, and fly through the stars with nothing but a brown coat and a handful of Chinese curse words to my name.
Firefly Refences FTW! lol
Epic thread, I must agree that Terran music is unstoppable :D.
Okay, seriously, the Terran music in SC2 sounds exactly like Firefly. It's been nagging at me all week how similar they are (I'm in the middle of the series) and it's ridiculous. Ironically, in heart of this thread I went searching for some Firefly tunes. I happened along one that actually had a discussion in the comments about how Blizzard ripped the song off. lol
Not saying it's a bad thing. <3 Firefly music, and <3 Terran music. Makes me sad I play Zerg. D:
The T music is one of the best background music I heard ever in a game. Besides the trinsic theme of Ultima Online and Chris Hülsbeck midis. but, well that doesn't really compare to the music of sc2.
You can play your own music and check the BPM(beats per minute) of the music with BPM Calc to increase your activity effected by the music beat. It was on Lifehacker website about exercise bit its a bit much effort to do personally. Any for exercise they said 120-140 BPM dunno what effect that would have on your APM though.
Haha funny thread Still Terran music is much worse than it was in BW, it's like country hokey-pokey polka stuff... it's okay but not nearly as impressive as BW! Zerg/Protoss music never were catchy or awesome imo.
Eh? I'm a P but I actually think Z has the only decent soundtrack. Terran/Protoss are quite bad. I would actually listen to Z's soundtrack even when not playing SC2
Second, imo it seems to me Blizzard nailed the music in terms of how each race should "feel" given their racial characteristics. Terran is redneck rockin' guitar solos, Zerg is creepy and ominous, and Protoss is heady and confident. However, it just so happens the theme that fits the shoot'em up, fast-paced, adrenaline-filled APM fest that is SC is, by far, Terran's rockin' tunes. Unfortunate.
Blizzard should care less bout racial identity for music (so all races get music that actually gets their blood pumping) and more about racial identity for gameplay (Swarm? What swarm? I see only a modest gathering.)
On September 01 2010 07:11 rethos wrote: I think the problem is that there is no real counter to terran music. I think blizzard should give infestors an ability to shut down the opponent music for 1 minute or so. And before you jump on me saying that it would be incredibly OP, it could be an upgrade (200/200/120?) or smth.
A very good idea, but infestors come too late to counter Terran's early game threats of reaper/hellion harass.
In order to make it more effective, we must give the ability to the Queen for 75/75 and 50 energy, researched at hatchery. However, there is a flaw in this spell: a Terran who happens to be a skilled musician will be able to mentally play the Terran theme IN HIS HEAD! That would be a waste of 75/75 for Zerg. Hence, not only should the spell stop the Terran music, it should REPLACE it with the Zerg music. Now ZvT will finally be balanced because Terran will have to listen to the SAME MUSIC as Zerg .
Now do you think this is balanced enough, or should the spell also replace the Terran voice with the Zerg grandma voice? Trying not to make Zerg too OP here with this spell.
Possible issue: this spell may affect ZvP too much. This brings up an urgent question: is the Zerg music/voice significantly worse than the Protoss music/voice?
The fact that Terran music is OP in both BW and SC2 is undeniable. The most obvious question raised by this fact is, "If Terran's music is really the reason they're OP, why is balance not a problem in BW to the degree it currently is in SC2?"
A simple answer might be that the music in SC2 is just that much more OP than its BW counterpart, but listen again. When switching between the two songs you will inevitably notice that one is significantly better than the other. It may seem like common sense to assume that the better of the two is SC2's Terran theme, but if you look very carefully at the song titles you will notice that, in fact, BW's Terran theme is superior to SC2's by a considerable margin.
Well, this simply doesn't seem to make sense! Does this disprove our beautifully elegant theory that Terran's music is the main factor in it being OP? Not necessarily.
If you ask around the forums, "Which is the most mechanically demanding race in BW?" most will answer, "Terran." Ask those same people if Terran is mechanically demanding in SC2 and they're likely to laugh at you.
It would seem that, in BW, Terran's music was necessarily superior so that players could meet the APM and attention requirements of their demanding race. In SC2, with the drastically reduced mechanical requirements, the psychological advantage traditionally given to Terran players is unnecessary and detrimental to racial balance.
Thus, to balance SC2, either the mechanical requirements of Terran must be increased, or the psychological benefit of their music must be reduced. If the only goal is technical balance, Blizzard could instead decrease the mechanical requirements of both Zerg and Protoss, or increase the power of each race's music; however, these methods have significant drawbacks which make the original suggestions preferable. First, they are more complex, requiring a change to two races instead of one, and the effects of complex solutions are less predictable than those of simpler alternatives. Additionally, these methods favor a decrease in the skill required to play SC2. Part of what makes BW so competitively viable is its high skill ceiling, allowing ample room for players to improve and continually elevate the level at which the game is played. With a lower skill ceiling SC2 is more likely to stagnate and lose popularity as an e-sport.
Right now, SC2 is a good e-sport. The massive battles and stunning visual effects are enough to keep today's fans watching. However, as the game matures, fans will come to demand more from professional gamers. As the average skill of players increases, pros will need to find new means of improvement to stay ahead of the curve and continue to impress viewers. As seen in the current Terran balance issues, if the skill ceiling is too low the game becomes less playable and less watchable. If Blizzard learns from this mistake and corrects the music-to-difficulty ratio SC2 has a chance of being a worthy successor to the most successful e-sport ever.
dude, are you serious? the protoss music is 10times better, protoss even have a part of their music from BW, makes it so fucking good!!! i wish i had protoss music when i played terran.... or BW music x.x
WTF is everybody talking about, I say you guys get decent headphones or a better sound system, especially the best headphones you can find and listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ivYHY8V-XA I listen to it with Turtle Beach Headphones and it was like a fucking mystical journey through ears, better than weed itself
• Fixed an issue where the terran music was ridiculously badass. Terran players will now hear Yakety Sax on repeat in game, as was originally intended.
Pandora is the way to go man. I hate the SCII Protoss music so much. It's the most annoying thing ever. Even in SCI I didn't listen to in-game music, but when watching VODs it was nice to hear non-bad Protoss music.
• Fixed an issue where the terran music was ridiculously badass. Terran players will now hear Yakety Sax on repeat in game, as was originally intended.
Protoss music has all these sudden tempo/volume changes that make you think something exciting is going to happen. Of course you're usually disappointed.
• Fixed an issue where the terran music was ridiculously badass. Terran players will now hear Yakety Sax on repeat in game, as was originally intended.
The OP has found the holy balance grail!!! Finnally!! Pls nerf terran musc to the noobzor level of P and Z so all the ingame music can suck at the same level!!
i was about to get mad no one posted the sc1 terran music ( not some cover it)
sc2 terran music is a bit OP but sc1 Terran music is just downright IMBALANCED.Honestly I need to take the sc1 T theme to the gym with me. I can do anything when I hear that. Its to perfect
On September 01 2010 15:32 Altsa wrote: Finally, everything makes sense to me
i fuking LOL'd~~! protoss music is too serious.. makes me focused with that temple ancient shit. Zerg is just creepy with that minerals voice and the terran music is imba that gives more micro and APM
• Fixed an issue where the terran music was ridiculously badass. Terran players will now hear Yakety Sax on repeat in game, as was originally intended.
People keep asking for lurker , shit we need the old zerg tunes back.
Yeah, protoss and zerg themes in SC2 are really blah. I don't even remember them and I play P the most. Shows how little of an impression they make. I laugh when people say they play with music off. I say I play with the music on but I don't hear anything anyway.
agreed, terran music is OP and must be nerfed. the pinnacle of human music is justin beiber so i think ti would be appropriate to have Eenie Meenie as the background music
Terran music is very decent indeed. Tho I think the Protoss music compliments the users of its race well. Holier-than-thou attitude. Zerg music is decent.
Actually one of the Protoss songs in SC2 has a remix of the BW Protoss song. When I first heard it I was starting to feel pretty good (and playing a lot better obviously) and then about 10 minutes later it went back to some crappy incoherent drawl.
The music has good production quality no doubt, but I think somewhere along the line, Blizzard forgot how to make music suitable for games.
Terran music has always been overpowered since Broodwar. But some guys in Broodwar weren't satisfied with the imbalance and made a music hack:
This shit is imba like 40 mineral SCVs. I hope I get not banned for posting this hack but I think that the cat needs out of the bag. To say that while listening to this your APM doubles and even a C level Terran plows through an A level Zerg is just stating the obvious.
Joke or not, I've been listening to different music while I play (Protoss), and I've found that it's a quite different feeling if you play while listening to some "fast" music instead of the peaceful protoss music.
Zerg and Protoss music definitely need a buff and yea, Terran music has always been overpowered.
Also off topic but what about sound effects? Killing Terran Marines in Broodwar sounds so much more satisfying than what they sound like when they die in SC2.
On September 01 2010 07:08 Kanil wrote: Terran Music was already nerfed badly enough in SC2. I have to go back to BW just to remember how good Terran Music used to be. We really don't need to nerf Terran Music any further, guys.
now i'm gonna ask you this once, and once only.
DO I HAVE TO MAKE YOU LISTEN TO THE F****NG ZERG MUSIC?
as a professional musician, I was thinking this EXACT same thing about 1 week ago. Since then, I have thus changed my "holier-than-thou" protoss modernist trash to some good old sc1 terran themes. So much better Needless to say, my APM at any point in the game was >9000. Thus, although my self-respect is not so lacking as for me to play terran, I must concur that terran music is the cause of their OP.
It's true, music has a great effect on you. This is actually not a joke at all and not to be taken lightly. Maybe listen to some asian music while playing Zerg? "These arrogant holier than thou Terrans will be crushed by the severity of Genghis Khan" Doesn't afraid of anything.
“It is not sufficient that I suceed - all others must fail.” - Genghis Khan
Wow, some people just don't know when it's enough, no they HAVE to find something broken with Terran. Not that the Terran soundtrack is broken in any way, I'm just saying. This thread is ridiculous and should be shut down.
On September 01 2010 19:51 drlame wrote: Wow, some people just don't know when it's enough, no they HAVE to find something broken with Terran. Not that the Terran soundtrack is broken in any way, I'm just saying. This thread is ridiculous and should be shut down.
Are you really serious?
And it's not possible to detect sarcasm in posts like this.
On September 01 2010 19:51 drlame wrote: Wow, some people just don't know when it's enough, no they HAVE to find something broken with Terran. Not that the Terran soundtrack is broken in any way, I'm just saying. This thread is ridiculous and should be shut down.
Wow, some people just don't know when it's enough, no they HAVE to find something serious with a joke thread. Not that the joke thread is unfunny in any way, I'm just saying. This thread is awesome and shouldn't be read seriously.
On September 01 2010 16:39 Fenrax wrote: Terran music has always been overpowered since Broodwar. But some guys in Broodwar weren't satisfied with the imbalance and made a music hack:
This shit is imba like 40 mineral SCVs. I hope I get not banned for posting this hack but I think that the cat needs out of the bag. To say that while listening to this your APM doubles and even a C level Terran plows through an A level Zerg is just stating the obvious.
guess what, i been listening to Terran music since beta phase 1 everyday. Yes,i do mean everyday. i tried to mix with music from CE but it sucks too much because the beats is not consistent.
On September 01 2010 06:57 Ketara wrote: As pointed out by SubtleArt, the in-game UI voice is also the best for Terran, and this exacerbates the problem. If you play Zerg, your announcer is a grandma. If you play Protoss, your announcer is some kind of priest. If you play Terran, your announcer is a robot babe. That's right. A robot babe.
I agreed with your entire post except this bit. The Protoss get freakin' COLONEL ROY CAMBELL! Come on!!
We can't make judgements like this so fast. Players haven't gotten enough of a chance to listen to the music long enough to approach it in a creative way. In a few years when the metagame evolves, the music metagame might change too.
[/QUOTE] ZOMG, priceless. A band actually playing brood war music. Nice. Also, I would like to nominate Ketara as the pimpest player of the year for making this post.
ZOMG, priceless. A band actually playing brood war music. Nice. Also, I would like to nominate Ketara as the pimpest player of the year for making this post.
I am going to have to turn down this nomination in favor of Sockfolder. Sorry.
Yeah, they are going to have to nerf this next patch, it definitely wasn't intention. Now all the pro players are gonna be blasting Terran music whenever they play online. Just another thing to worry about to stay competitive on Bnet. Thanks a lot OP!
I cant play with this new terran music, it hurts my ears holy shit its so bad, i want to carve a knife in my ear and cut my brain out and burn it.
The old was infinitely better, and this pifious try to replace it was a monstrous fail, i cannot even begin to concebe how you can think its anything other than horrible horrible shit
ZOMG, priceless. A band actually playing brood war music. Nice. Also, I would like to nominate Ketara as the pimpest player of the year for making this post.[/QUOTE] Would have been quite a bit more awesome if someone were doing unit impressions over it at random. Preferably someone like this:
Pretty much a win post right here, it's so true. Also to the people posting about THE WORST VOICE ACTING FOR ZERG, it's so true. Listen to the Korea version, it sounds so evil.
LOL to be honest, I liked this post Although, i gotta disagree on one thing. Terran music shouldnt be nerfed, its great Protoss and Zerg need BETTER music, simply BETTER more upbeat music that still matches their theme and style
Wow.. That is crazy. Fricken hilarious unit impressions. I never wouldve imagined something like this would exist, but that is awesome. My faith in a god has officially been restored.
On September 01 2010 07:11 rethos wrote: I think the problem is that there is no real counter to terran music. I think blizzard should give infestors an ability to shut down the opponent music for 1 minute or so. And before you jump on me saying that it would be incredibly OP, it could be an upgrade (200/200/120?) or smth.
On a more serious note, i always thought that spells that would disable your opponent's ability to play would be awesome: how about a spell that will cause the opponent's screen to go dark for 2 seconds. Or stop all keyboard input for 5 seconds. I think that would add a new fun dimension.
Yeah actually there should be a spell which inverts the opponents mouse axis for a couple of seconds! ^^ Anyways during beta i listened to the music while playing terran it's really good it really puts you in the mood to win games. I dislike Protoss music... Just slow and kind of... trying to be holy or something?
wtb the phone number of the cutie with the pig tails and the 'IX' on her back.
I won't lie, the band was pretty decent but the entire video was ruined by my overwhelming urge to stab that annoying looking bitch in the face. Actually, the music really put me in the mood to own it up like that too, such fond memories with that music.
wtb the phone number of the cutie with the pig tails and the 'IX' on her back.
I won't lie, the band was pretty decent but the entire video was ruined by my overwhelming urge to stab that annoying looking bitch in the face. Actually, the music really put me in the mood to own it up like that too, such fond memories with that music.
My experience too was overwhelmed with the urge to stab that girl in the face. If you know what I mean.
Very interesting theory! I could definately see it holding true. We need to do some tests where Zerg players listen to Terran music while playing, I'm sure the Zerg would immediately feel an increase in his performance.
On September 01 2010 07:08 Kanil wrote: Terran Music was already nerfed badly enough in SC2. I have to go back to BW just to remember how good Terran Music used to be. We really don't need to nerf Terran Music any further, guys.
now i'm gonna ask you this once, and once only.
DO I HAVE TO MAKE YOU LISTEN TO THE F****NG ZERG MUSIC?
On September 01 2010 07:08 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: Fortunately I possess the CE and thus the whole soundtrack. Thanks to that I can hear this lovely theme (it's named "Heaven's Devils" by the way) while playing Zerg mwhahaha. Or even better I hear "Cards to play", which results in instant wins.
Ugh, terran SC2 music is just country faggot shit. Not even close to the awesomeness that was terran BW music. Every time I play terran I have to go ctrl+m or my ears will get cancer. Zerg music actually makes you feel zergy. Pretty mellow horror stuff that tries to calm you down slightly so you don't get overwhelmed by the extreme stress and pressure that comes from playing zerg vs terran and 4gaters.
A new upgrade should be introduced (1000/500) for every race to turn off your opponent's background music for the duration of the game. You know, for BM. And BM is fun.
Parts of the Terran music makes me think of Firefly... =D Unless that was the music in beta I can't seem to figure out what parts it was from the song posted in the OP...
Totally agree, Terran music is completely OP hope they add some better tunes in the expansions, like they did with Zerg in Brood War (really loved the new Zerg tune there!) :D
On September 17 2010 04:16 jPanic wrote: It's actually far worse than you think. Seems they have the man upstairs on their side. Keep a keen eye out for the license plate at ~27s.
would like to submit to Team Liquid, that clearly, Terrans music needs a nerf. Every time I hear it I have an impulsive desire to put on cowboy boots, get my six shooter, and fly through the stars with nothing but a brown coat and a handful of Chinese curse words to my name.
The OP is simply right. Terran music just makes you imba. And it also made me choose terran in the beta when it was a tossup between protoss and terran (zerg music in sc2 is just soooo bad, really a pity since it was quite decent in scbw)
I thought this thread was joking at first. But you know...... the entire reason I will NEVER play as zerg is because of that voice. I cant tell if its kerrigans or whos. But when she says "wee require moore minerallllzzzz" I just want to punch my moniter. Will blizzard patch this terrible terrible oversight? I think not.
Zerg music UP, i usually play with my music but tried it with zerg music after seeing this thread, I'm still curious to what the music is , its just occasional gross noise :/
i listen to my own music... plus people have preferences to music, you may think the terran music is awesome, but some other dude out there is going to say it sucks and zerg music is better...
On September 17 2010 09:56 DyEnasTy wrote: I thought this thread was joking at first. But you know...... the entire reason I will NEVER play as zerg is because of that voice. I cant tell if its kerrigans or whos. But when she says "wee require moore minerallllzzzz" I just want to punch my moniter. Will blizzard patch this terrible terrible oversight? I think not.
Thats why only perfect macro players can really play zerg ... if you ever get to hear that voice you ar obviously going to loose
As far as i know the T music has the highest number of bpm which could have an effect however it would be so negligable I dont belive it would be noticable.
Honestly, there is some truth to this kind of stuff. Grocery stores play slow music to keep you relaxed, so you take your time in the store. Many food establishments play more lively music...they want you in, fed, and out so the can get a new customer at your table.
There is actually a real industry in selling tailored music solutions to large retail outlets.
[QUOTE]On September 01 2010 14:53 Sleight wrote: [QUOTE]On September 01 2010 14:21 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote: [QUOTE] StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty — Patch 1.0.4
Bug Fixes
• Fixed an issue where the terran music was ridiculously badass. Terran players will now hear Yakety Sax on repeat in game, as was originally intended.
[QUOTE]On September 17 2010 23:41 pyro19 wrote: [QUOTE]On September 01 2010 14:53 Sleight wrote: [QUOTE]On September 01 2010 14:21 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote: [QUOTE] StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty — Patch 1.0.4
Bug Fixes
• Fixed an issue where the terran music was ridiculously badass. Terran players will now hear Yakety Sax on repeat in game, as was originally intended.
On September 18 2010 01:10 Korben wrote: Come on guys, even if we did nerf the Terran music they'd all just fire up this...
Lol I thought the same thing as soon as I heard the music. To top that off, my wife loves Firefly, and she heard me playing SC2 soundtrack and thought I was watching Firefly.
I get that too, where whenever I random terran, i suddenly get the urge to send 2 hellions into the zerg base and roast 50 zerglings/drones because the music says i can do it. Whereas when I play zerg i feel like my infestors in his base will get caught and die before fungal growth or infested terrans can do any damage.
Terran music is imba, and it is the only reason why the game is unbalanced ;P
I must say, I find the zerg and protoss music to be the most boring stuff EVERRR. I actually wish there was an option in-game to select some of the campaign music. Damn, that'd be so sick.
lol love it!! would be hectic though if they could make a patch where you culd put some of your own mp3s in a game folder and listen to your own music. im sure that would balance it out
I can confirm. All my life I've been playing Beethoven, Chopin and Liszt on my piano, but recently I've started to learn the Terran Theme, and now no-one can beat me at piano.
I just listend to the song...gave me goose bumps. Zerg and Toss music is also pretty good, but it doesnt make u goo "uaaah, I'm the man and I kill u with ease"
i concur, i used to be protoss in SC1, but switched to Terran because of the soundtrack the first day i got in Beta, Gets me real pumped while the music from the other 2 race is pretty lackluster i find...
On September 19 2010 20:18 Coeus1 wrote: Enough of these terran OP threads. Sure the music is a bit better, but 90% of time that is not the reason why Terran wins.
On September 01 2010 06:57 Ketara wrote: As pointed out by SubtleArt, the in-game UI voice is also the best for Terran, and this exacerbates the problem. If you play Zerg, your announcer is a grandma. If you play Protoss, your announcer is some kind of priest. If you play Terran, your announcer is a robot babe. That's right. A robot babe.
The combination of badass music and robot babe is clearly unstoppable.
Guys... it's not imba... sure what the OP said is mostly true that the terran song makes you want to just ROFLSTOMP everything in your path, but with the zerg music it teaches you to be patient and unnerving in the face of a ball of death... wait for the terran to finally run out of steam (when their music goes to the semi low notes/rhythms and that's when you start punishing the terran for over extending... blizzard intended the music and themes to be this way for balance... the terran will then realize that without the bloodlust he gets from listening to their theme how much he overextended himself and thats when you start kicking back...
In this way how I described this certain dynamic of the game, I think we can safely say that there is a music cue for the timing window attack. Aside from upgrades and tech tree timing windows, there is now a theme timing you have to make sure you hit that timing with your tech upgrades complete to deal maximum damage to set you up to either expand or win the game outright... bonus points if you win it while your race is on a kick-ass portion of the theme.
I currently have my music muted for SC2, but I have songbird in the background playing the original terran music from BR. I end up playing mech a LOT better and it boosts my APM and I naturally play faster. I still do like SC2's music though.
ok, after doing some off-racing with terran (I'm protoss) I have to say this is definitely true - when listening to protoss-music I'm like "oh well, let's play very exacty, very though out, pay attention to every small little detail"
but when listening to terran-music I go "muahahaha I will DESTROY you and it will be embarassing for you and your family"
How didn't the mods ban this? This is blatant trolling, he is blatantly mocking other forumgoers. If Zerg so much as mentions that Terran is map advantages he is banned, never mind make a thread about it. Proof that almost all the mods are terran.
On October 14 2010 06:26 hadoken5 wrote: How didn't the mods ban this? This is blatant trolling, he is blatantly mocking other forumgoers. If Zerg so much as mentions that Terran is map advantages he is banned, never mind make a thread about it. Proof that almost all the mods are terran.
On October 14 2010 06:26 hadoken5 wrote: How didn't the mods ban this? This is blatant trolling, he is blatantly mocking other forumgoers. If Zerg so much as mentions that Terran is map advantages he is banned, never mind make a thread about it. Proof that almost all the mods are terran.
And great job bringing this thread back to the top of the forum.....
On October 14 2010 06:26 hadoken5 wrote: How didn't the mods ban this? This is blatant trolling, he is blatantly mocking other forumgoers. If Zerg so much as mentions that Terran is map advantages he is banned, never mind make a thread about it. Proof that almost all the mods are terran.
How could you NOT see the truth in this? Terran has the best background music that is NOT changeable of any RTS I've ever played. Seriously man. The music is why Terran wins. It's just so badass.
Being a dedicated zerg player, I wholeheartedly agree with the OP. I've found a good remedy to the lack of zerg music awesomeness to turn off the music when I play and turn on my Infected Mushroom station on Pandora. In my humble opinion it is a band with a style in the vein of what I feel the zerg music is trying to achieve. Its ambient, very few lyrics to be found, and is a bit electronic-y and dark. As a result of doing this music change I've been climbing the ladder quite quickly.
Am I the only one that thinks that the Terran music sounds like some really awful humpy soundtrack to a porno about SCHOOL GIRLZ GONE BAD or something? Like, you know, they were nice school girls, until they started listening to that awful punk music, and now they're dying their hair, piercing their noses and banging their teachers? And the whole time this soundtrack is playing, and you know it's just the director's idea of what dangerous rock music is supposed to sound like?
Well I play protoss, have music turned off and listen to something like this on loop to get/keep me pumped. I do think that the music isn't all that unimportant since it can influence the mindset one is playing with.
On October 14 2010 06:26 hadoken5 wrote: How didn't the mods ban this? This is blatant trolling, he is blatantly mocking other forumgoers. If Zerg so much as mentions that Terran is map advantages he is banned, never mind make a thread about it. Proof that almost all the mods are terran.
Please tell me this person is trolling and doesn't actually think the above makes any sense.
? terran music in sc2 is so crappy for me,just makes me laugh lol....sc1 terran music was ALOT better. i guess americans like the new terran redneckish soundtrack,everyone in eu likes zerg/toss themes better....
On October 16 2010 22:29 Hexolyte wrote: ? terran music in sc2 is so crappy for me,just makes me laugh lol....sc1 terran music was ALOT better. i guess americans like the new terran redneckish soundtrack,everyone in eu likes zerg/toss themes better....
imo terran music is so much better than protoss or the shitty zerg music
I have the StarCraft II Original Soundtrack and there is one tune that I play more than the others, and that is "Heaven's Devils" even tho I play Zerg I have to admit Terran music is sweet!
well its no surprise since their ''StarCraft Terran band'' is composed with no less than Tony Levin (Liquid Tension Experiment, King Crimson).He rly kicks the chapman stick & bass in Terran Soundtrack. There is actually a chapman stick ''solo'' at 1:08 in the ''Heaven's devils'' song.It sounds so awesome! The other guys are great musician too. But I'm <3'ing for Tony so...
Protoss music is very weak. 90% of the time there's almost no music at all, too ambient. Zerg music has more melodies, still more ambient, but it fits Zerg style, it's dark, insidious and weird. I like it. Terran music kicks ass, because it feels like TERRAN. Rock'n'roll and big guns hell yeah!
On December 06 2012 16:33 willyallthewei wrote: Found this cover on <snip>
Seriously, wow, Hots Toss and Zerg music need a buff!
why the heck did you revive a 2 year old thread?
The expansion is coming out and there's a lot of covers out for the awesome music of SC2. I also think this thread is timeless because you know, its about the music, rather than balance or metagame or some tournament at the time.
EPT
With this realization the next nerfs will decimate the Terran race.
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