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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On August 31 2010 00:06 Sentient wrote: That's half the problem. Most of diamond league is pretty terrible. Er, well they certainly shouldn't be looking at lower than Plat, it's even more terrible there. | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
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LightKesta
United States26 Posts
On August 31 2010 00:06 Sentient wrote: That's half the problem. Most of diamond league is pretty terrible. What would you rather them do? As much as everyone says they should only look at pro stuff, they're not going to do that because it's not a large enough scope and I think it's safe to assume they don't wanna alienate the rest of the customers that much. So be glad they aren't looking at Bronze and Silver at least. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
Just for all the idiots saying that they are catering to silver bronze league or bad player feedback People saying the changes aren't big enough are fucking idiots and should probably be ignored. There's no need for this kind of language. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On August 30 2010 20:40 Jandos wrote: I hope warp in nerf is only for zealots NOT for all gateway units right ? correct | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
well if you are warping in a zealot, you are paying the price on the next warped in unit, so it kind of is for all gateway units in a sense | ||
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LightKesta
United States26 Posts
On August 31 2010 01:17 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: There's no need for this kind of language. People should stop assuming and making up things just because they want to cry about balance changes. | ||
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Zevah
Argentina187 Posts
On August 31 2010 02:28 floor exercise wrote: well if you are warping in a zealot, you are paying the price on the next warped in unit, so it kind of is for all gateway units in a sense the fact that zealots are on cooldown dosn't mean that the other units are on cooldown too... if you want to warp in another zealot you need to wait a few more seconds... that's all. | ||
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Silu
Finland165 Posts
On August 31 2010 02:28 floor exercise wrote: well if you are warping in a zealot, you are paying the price on the next warped in unit, so it kind of is for all gateway units in a sense Doesn't make too much sense. By your logic, the patch also increases the build time of Marauders, Marines and Ghosts by 5 seconds, because Reapers clog up the facility for additional seconds. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
No, corrupters are extremely good vs Colossus. Zerg ground army > Protoss ground army that has no colossus. You can also transition into Brood Lords later on. Zerg ground army > a mix of immortlas , stalkers , charge zealots , sentries with proper forcefields + guardian , maybe archons and storm in even numbers ? yea right | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On August 31 2010 02:33 Silu wrote: Doesn't make too much sense. By your logic, the patch also increases the build time of Marauders, Marines and Ghosts by 5 seconds, because Reapers clog up the facility for additional seconds. By you logic yes this would slow down the production of all terran units because the reaper takes longer to make. But the key difference is the reaper is basically used in early game (sometimes in late game to snipe a probe line real quick). The zealot is used all game so after the initial transition to stalkers and charge gets researched the zealot comes back thus its clog in the gateway will come back as well. On August 30 2010 22:34 luckybeni2 wrote: A zerg can easily pump out a few corrupters when he needs them. He just has to hold off the P for a few seconds. Those are common tactics that were used in sc1, too, to hold of any timing attack. There was no game in recent history where I would say P is stronger than z. What I don't like about the patch would be the damage decrease on BC. I mean come on, it takes like for ever to get them and zerg still have parasite and p has blink and feedback to beat them. The zealot patch makes me worry but we will see how that turns out. I am waiting for people to just build corruptors to match the tosses count. Corruption on the collosus makes the mutas much more effective. Also whether or not corruptors are cost effective against the collosus also throwing in the fact that they will not be able to attack the ground army afterward (ignoring corruption) depends on the toss's composition. If the toss ended up starting off with heavy air then the corruptors still have a unit they can attack. As for bc's vs HT I always thought it would be funny if the terran player emped his own bc fleet if he knew the toss didn't have Vrays or carriers (the things you would want yamato for) | ||
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brocoli
Brazil264 Posts
I'm sure we'll get there someday. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 31 2010 02:31 Zevah wrote: the fact that zealots are on cooldown dosn't mean that the other units are on cooldown too... if you want to warp in another zealot you need to wait a few more seconds... that's all. oh I thought they all had the same shared cooldown.. I don't play protoss | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
also i dont see why pf should exist is there some reason that terran needs to have immunity to ground army harassment ? He already have to air attacks with thor 10 range and turrets ridiculus dmg | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On August 31 2010 02:51 st3roids wrote: concussive shells should have a timer , having units perma snare from range and perma kite is rly broken. also i dont see why pf should exist is there some reason that terran needs to have immunity to ground army harassment ? He already have to air attacks with thor 10 range and turrets ridiculus dmg Not to say I agree or disagree but possibly a reason for blizzard adding in the concusive shells was to prevent the stalker from dominating terran infantry like the dragoon did in BW | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
On August 31 2010 02:59 terranghost wrote: Not to say I agree or disagree but possibly a reason for blizzard adding in the concusive shells was to prevent the stalker from dominating terran infantry like the dragoon did in BW How exactly stalkers dominate terran bio ? marauders eat stalkers for breakfast, also stalker harrasment is laughable , 10 of those take ages to kill a single barrack. in fact is commonly known that marauders eat all gateways units for breakfast even charge zealots , if terran doeant 1a and micro a bit, relatively easy. A single pf kills around 80 links lol , i dont remmeber if this is with repair or not but regardles is hilarious. Couple marauders , marines drop into a zearg base can kill the hatchery in no time. Send a small zerg amry to harass a pf and have them all killed within seconds , rly balanced | ||
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Zinbiel
Sweden878 Posts
On August 31 2010 03:08 st3roids wrote: How exactly stalkers dominate terran bio ? marauders eat stalkers for breakfast, also stalker harrasment is laughable , 10 of those take ages to kill a single barrack. in fact is commonly known that marauders eat all gateways units for breakfast even charge zealots , if terran doeant 1a and micro a bit, relatively easy. A single pf kills around 80 links lol , i dont remmeber if this is with repair or not but regardles is hilarious. Couple marauders , marines drop into a zearg base can kill the hatchery in no time. Send a small zerg amry to harass a pf and have them all killed within seconds , rly balanced Sounds like without repair man, if you repair a PF it actually kills closer to 10000 lings. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On August 31 2010 03:08 st3roids wrote: How exactly stalkers dominate terran bio ? marauders eat stalkers for breakfast, also stalker harrasment is laughable , 10 of those take ages to kill a single barrack. in fact is commonly known that marauders eat all gateways units for breakfast even charge zealots , if terran doeant 1a and micro a bit, relatively easy. A single pf kills around 80 links lol , i dont remmeber if this is with repair or not but regardles is hilarious. Couple marauders , marines drop into a zearg base can kill the hatchery in no time. Send a small zerg amry to harass a pf and have them all killed within seconds , rly balanced Imagine 4 marauders and 6marines vs 10 stalkers if the marauders did not have conconsive. Why build marines too. because maruaders can't aim upward. Stalkers can kite marines if they want to as the advantage marines have is the faster attack rate which means nothing if during the stalkers cooldown they back up. With concussive shells the few marauders in the group can slow down the stalkers long enough for the marines to really praticipate in the battle too. Now can an army of all maruaders beat an even number army of all stalkers even without concusive? Yes but, I have already explained why that can be bad for you. | ||
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
Imagine 4 marauders and 6marines vs 10 stalkers if the marauders did not have conconsive. Why build marines too. because maruaders can't aim upward. stalkers arent air units - why build marines vs stalkers in first place. Also 10 stalkers terms of minerals and gas equalls like 25 marines and 25 stim marines will own 10 stalkers o gosh i think blizzard comes with this kinda of logic | ||
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