EPTOn August 28 2010 10:01 blabber wrote:
you don't know that.
you don't know that.
You don't not-know that.
This is fun!
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Cotonou
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You don't not-know that. This is fun! | ||
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StupidFatHobbit
United States98 Posts
On August 28 2010 09:47 NATO wrote: Of course T > P - they were the case before the patch, and are now. But apparently all P players have so much honor they don't complain like zergs. probably because unlike zvt, pvt doesn't make you want to claw your eyes out with rusty nails - just regular nails | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Focusing down units that are in the middle of an army isn't uncommon. Marauders aiming at Immortals wouldn't surprise anyone. How the fuck are they focus firing your immortals while simultaneously not letting your chargelots get more then one hit? Of course T > P - they were the case before the patch, and are now. But apparently all P players have so much honor they don't complain like zergs. Or maybe it isn't as bad as you think and you're just bad. Seriously what is this, beta patch 9? Marauders are fine. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4463 Posts
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Jyxz
United States117 Posts
On August 28 2010 02:12 TMTurtle wrote: I don't like the zealot change vs 6pool. yeah dude with the massive nerf on the forge build time this is going to be a huge problem... not even joking | ||
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ninjaclip
United States7 Posts
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Volkov
United States71 Posts
I still don't know the answer to that. I don't think anyone does.  | ||
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Luoson
New Zealand153 Posts
GG 6 pools, as they will be completely unstoppable. Also how will changing the zealot build time stop proxys? the person defending the proxys zealots come out slower too :facepalm: so the only difference now is that marine and zerging rushes are way more variable against protoss | ||
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ninjaclip
United States7 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:10 Volkov wrote: Also, anything about protoss anti-air? They don't seem to think it's a problem. But let's see: Ghosts hard counter HTs, Vikings OWN Colossi and Void Rays. Phoenixes are useless. So if terran gets a few vikings (which cost nothing compared to void rays) - what are your colossi supposed to do? Marauders will down the stalkers, and are faaaar more cost effective... So after all, what's supposed to counter MMM? I still don't know the answer to that. I don't think anyone does. HARD COUNTER!!! FCK GHOSTS remove them and marauders! :D | ||
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
125 min, 50 gas, 42 sec build time, 2 food. 10 dmg, +4 to armored. 80hp, 80 shields, 1 armor. 150/150 blink upgrade at tier 2. +1 damage per upgrade Marauder: tier 1.5 100 min, 25 gas, 30 sec build time, 2 food. 10 damage, +10 to armored. 125 hp, 1 armor. 50/50 slow upgrade at tier 1.5. 100/100 stim upgrade at tier 1.5. +1 damage per upgrade, additional +1 to armored per upgraded. hmmmmm | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Ghosts hard counter HTs Seriously whenever someone posts this its like a "terrible player flag". If anything its the other way around. You do realize that both those units have less range then they have sight, and toss has observers right? Stalker: tier 1.5 125 min, 50 gas, 42 sec build time, 2 food. 10 dmg, +4 to armored. 80hp, 80 shields, 1 armor. 150/150 blink upgrade at tier 2. +1 damage per upgrade Marauder: tier 1.5 100 min, 25 gas, 30 sec build time, 2 food. 10 damage, +10 to armored. 125 hp, 1 armor. 50/50 slow upgrade at tier 1.5. 100/100 stim upgrade at tier 1.5. +1 damage per upgrade, additional +1 to armored per upgraded. hmmmmm so I herd dis wuz warcraft 2? y/n? And you forgot marauder don't attack air, and move roughly 35% slower. | ||
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StupidFatHobbit
United States98 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:10 Volkov wrote: Also, anything about protoss anti-air? They don't seem to think it's a problem. But let's see: Ghosts hard counter HTs, Vikings OWN Colossi and Void Rays. Phoenixes are useless. So if terran gets a few vikings (which cost nothing compared to void rays) - what are your colossi supposed to do? Marauders will down the stalkers, and are faaaar more cost effective... So after all, what's supposed to counter MMM? I still don't know the answer to that. I don't think anyone does. Uh, phoenixes beat vikings (and can choose the engagement) and blink stalkers are the most mobile AA in the game? Also charged void rays instagib vikings, the "own" on that is a two way street. | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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Volkov
United States71 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:12 StupidFatHobbit wrote: Uh, phoenixes beat vikings (and can choose the engagement) and blink stalkers are the most mobile AA in the game? Also charged void rays instagib vikings, the "own" on that is a two way street. Phoenixes don't beat vikings, because of vikings' ridiculous range (phoenixes have to fly over marines to get to vikings, and if they don't, vikings will pick off the colossi). Blink stalkers are not the most mobile AA in the game, vikings are. (Actually even phoenixes are more mobile). Bigger issue is that stalkers are expensive and fragile, so it's hard to mass them enough to walk through MMM to get the vikings which are preventing the use of colossi against the MMM. Charged void rays do indeed insta vikings, this is true. Again, MMM pwns void rays, AND vikings outrange voidrays, so the right click + H micro (of which every single MMM rusher is a master) leaves little chance to the void rays. | ||
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ninjaclip
United States7 Posts
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:12 Half wrote: Seriously whenever someone posts this its like a "terrible player flag". If anything its the other way around. You do realize that both those units have less range then they have sight, and toss has observers right? As much as I don't approve of his use of "hard counter", it really does feel that way. EMP out-ranges Feedback by 1 AND as a result of it being an aoe blast can reach even further. Not to mention EMP as good as takes half of the health of a Protoss army away and still leaves you with a unit with decent damage. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:18 branflakes14 wrote: As much as I don't approve of his use of "hard counter", it really does feel that way. EMP out-ranges Feedback by 1 AND as a result of it being an aoe blast can reach even further. Not to mention EMP as good as takes half of the health of a Protoss army away and still leaves you with a unit with decent damage. Did you not read my post or something? I'm aware EMP outranges feedback. Sadly, their site ranges do not, and terran cannot afford to constantly scan while protoss can field 2-3 observers. Since when did this thread become "terrible protoss qq thread" :/. I don't mean "qqing about these changes", which are debateably QQ'able, and this would be the place to do it, I mean qq about crap thats been more or less fine for four months now. | ||
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ninjaclip
United States7 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:18 branflakes14 wrote: As much as I don't approve of his use of "hard counter", it really does feel that way. EMP out-ranges Feedback by 1 AND as a result of it being an aoe blast can reach even further. Not to mention EMP as good as takes half of the health of a Protoss army away and still leaves you with a unit with decent damage. and 1 storm doesnt make all marines go to less then half hp +1 :D | ||
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Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
On August 28 2010 02:21 Plexa wrote: Yes seriously. 7 pool is going to be x10 more broken now than it was before. It was already hard as all hell to stop on Steppes without 10gating, now 10gate will be mandatory to be safe from lings. Hell, even then I don't know if you'll be able to get the zeal on time. Trust me, you won't, it'll have to be all up to your probes. In the start of Beta Phase 2, when Zealots had this buildtime, i met soooo many zergs on steppes who just plain 6-pooled and it seemed very tough. | ||
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Volkov
United States71 Posts
On August 28 2010 10:12 Half wrote: Seriously whenever someone posts this its like a "terrible player flag". If anything its the other way around. You do realize that both those units have less range then they have sight, and toss has observers right? Yes, and terrans have scan. (Which sure as hell goes off on the army before an engagement). Observers do of course help, but the problem is - EMP is instant, versus storm takes a couple seconds to kill the units. So good ghost micro ends up EMPing a good portion of the HTs one way or the other. (And let's not forget how much gas HTs require compared to ghosts). You could of course label me or someone else who says this a terrible player, and wouldn't be far from truth. But that doesn't really address my point. | ||
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