You know I reallly don't like the zealot nerf because I use zealots very heavily in my terran matchups as a transition to templar... I don't like collossi. It almost seems to me that blizz recognized how powerful templar play is even though not a ton of people do it and they nerfed it.

I mean I do play random but I think these changes are going to cause signifigant shakeups in how I play.

Toxigen

United States390 Posts

August 27 2010 20:44 GMT

#802

I'm just glad that I won't have to cringe anymore every time I'm forced to make hydralisks in ZvT. I'll probably have to get in the habit of dropping down an earlier evo chamber for +1 carapace now, too.

I don't mind the ultralisk changes. I wasn't a fan of the headbutt anyway. Ultralisks are a really, really good T3 unit and have won me a fair number of games -- I'm not surprised they're still tweaking them.

a_monkey

Canada106 Posts

August 27 2010 20:44 GMT

#803

longer warpgate research time would be better than increasing zealot build time imo... the warp gate cooldown increase wouldnt be too big of a deal, and would encourage players to use their chrono more often. but increasing zealot time seems like it would break every toss MU. ultralisk damage didnt need to decrease either, they were the answer to stalker/collossus builds and wont be as potent of a counter anymore.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

August 27 2010 20:45 GMT

#804

Fuck I knew it. They always nerf Protoss for the sake of nerfing Protoss. Didn't they revert that zealot build time change in beta because it was overkill? Now zergling rushes on tiny maps are gonna be even hard to fend off for Toss (I'm thinkin 6-8 pool steppes of war gayness).

Love the rest of the changes though. Tanks are now smarter BW tanks. :']

archy

Norway22 Posts

August 27 2010 20:46 GMT

#805

Exciting changes indeed! All seems pretty fair to me.

branflakes14

2082 Posts

August 27 2010 20:47 GMT

#806

Increase the building time of the Spawning Pool by 5 seconds and nerf Concussive Shells and Protoss will be fine.

Trepanation

United States111 Posts

August 27 2010 20:48 GMT

#807

On August 28 2010 05:46 archy wrote:
Exciting changes indeed! All seems pretty fair to me.

They are fair i like you ^.^

I was looking forward to these change for so long but the amount of stupidity coming from not reading the whole patch notes is starting to bug me

Iggyhopper

United States259 Posts

August 27 2010 20:48 GMT

#808

On August 28 2010 05:43 sagefreke wrote:
How does the Marauder keep managing to avoid the nerfbat?

How do you know the marauder hasn't been nerfed in 1.1?

LuckyMacro

United States1482 Posts

August 27 2010 20:49 GMT

#809

I guess we'll see how this goes...not too sure about the zealot nerf. I'm probably just horrible but now I'm a bit more afraid of early marauders.

But YESSS chat channels <3

tubey

29 Posts

August 27 2010 20:49 GMT

#810

On August 28 2010 05:48 Trepanation wrote:

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They are fair i like you ^.^

I was looking forward to these change for so long but the amount of stupidity coming from not reading the whole patch notes is starting to bug me

Wow has ruined pc gaming in terms of community, Because Blizzard was so gungho about nerfing and buffing in wow, the wow xfers all think things should be nerfed and buffed every other week.

branflakes14

2082 Posts

August 27 2010 20:49 GMT

#811

On August 28 2010 05:48 Iggyhopper wrote:

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How do you know the marauder hasn't been nerfed in 1.1?

Because we clicked the link.

arb

Noobville17920 Posts

August 27 2010 20:50 GMT

#812

On August 28 2010 02:16 Alou wrote:
Like the changes to Terran. Not to sure about change on zealot though tbh.

it'll be like the nerf in beta, where unless spawning pool time is changed you'll die to even standard pool openings

SeaSmoke

United States326 Posts

August 27 2010 20:50 GMT

#813

I'm thinking the tank nerf will improve the state of the TvT mirror, hopefully less tank Viking nonsense.

I'd be happy with these changes, but then again I'm a Zerg. Seems like muta/ling/baneling just got that much more deadly vs T. And actually making hydras ZvT???? Madness!

Nightmarjoo

United States3359 Posts

August 27 2010 20:51 GMT

#814

wtf why is the bc being nerfed, it was basically useless as is; in basically every matchup the counter to bcs is a normal part of the lategame: many protoss switch to voidrays or carriers from colos lategame, they'll already have high templars in most cases which can feedback bcs unless you emp them (which makes them a little worse vs carriers, without yamato), terrans always make vikings in tvt which obliterate bcs, bcs aren't particularly useful against anything zerg has: they might have countered ultras, but ultras are too fast for bcs to do any real damage to, and ultra's armour greatly reduces the strength of the low-damage high-frequency attack bcs have anyway, and a zerg going broodlords will naturally have many corruptors as support, which they might have earlier anyway to kill medics quickly, if they're so inclined. The bc only had very niche uses, and often a banshee (particularly in conjunction with cloak) filled that niche slightly better; now the bc is less useful in scenarios where it might have been useful at all.

3clipse

Canada2555 Posts

August 27 2010 20:51 GMT

#815

Pretty much what I expected from the first patch. A step in the right direction towards balancing Terran, but a conservative one. Marauders and Missile Turrets are still in dire need of nerfs, but I suppose it'll have to wait for a later date. Congrats, Blizzard, you've done just enough to string me along and keep me playing Zerg. xD

Ballistixz

United States1269 Posts

August 27 2010 20:51 GMT

#816

On August 28 2010 05:35 mahnini wrote:

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what is wrong with you. ultralisks have 500 hp, gigantic splash, and marine cooldown.

that wasnt the point i was trying to make. all i was saying is i thought it was strange that they thought ultras were to powerful as a tier 3 unit for there cost yet they dont think marauders are to powerful for there cost and there tier.

if u look at marauders they do insane dmg to armored and are relativly cheap. even there upgrade is only 50/50 and there just a tier 1.5 unit.

Surrealz

United States449 Posts

August 27 2010 20:52 GMT

#817

the zealot nerf will be reverted once 6-9 pool becomes the norm for PvZ..

They tried it in beta, and it sucked. They will revert it again.

SyN_FiR3

United States85 Posts

August 27 2010 20:52 GMT

#818

bio/mech should still do very well against ultras. Marauder -> stim -> focus fire ultra -> profit. It works really well :p I like these changes, but I don't know about the zealot thing though. Even if it turns out to be OK vs zerg, marauder vs gateway units is still too strong early game. A cooldown on the concussive shell/and increased cost would help a lot I believe. It would make for a slightly weaker 3 rax and you could not kite gateway units for all of eternity. Would help balance tvp imo ^-^

Grantler

United States228 Posts

August 27 2010 20:53 GMT

#819

Screw tanks, where is the marauder nerf

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 27 2010 20:53 GMT

#820

On August 28 2010 05:43 sagefreke wrote:
How does the Marauder keep managing to avoid the nerfbat?

Probably due to the lack of high-level opinion thinking they're overpowered.

Zerg's issues with marauders are only that they're part of Terran's myriad options early-game, and I haven't heard high-level Protoss complain about Marauders (though I have heard about issues with late-game tanks, which is why I feel this tank change could be very good for the matchup).