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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:21 travis wrote: Random fact: most people are biased about the race they play. Even top pros! Yeah, and it's easier for you to state that fact rather than argue with anyone on balance. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:21 travis wrote: Random fact: most people are biased about the race they play. Even top pros! ... that's not true... THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!! | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
Day9 on the other hand, his livelihood isn't directly related to the success or failure of one race, but the game as a whole. His interest in balance is much more one that can play out over several months or even years, his daily's are actually more interesting if people have issues with races that he can help them work through. Day9 just has the luxury of time on his side, there is no rush in his eyes for immediate balance fixes but in Idra's case every little bit helps. And when you are trying to win tournaments today, you don't have time to wait for what you feel are needed changes that might not come for 6 months. Let's say 6 months from now Blizzard all the sudden decides, "you know what, Zerg does need better early game scouting tools.." and they make that change. Well wouldn't you be frustrated if you had been saying that for 6 months and were losing thousands of dollars because that change didn't come soon enough? Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying either are right or wrong, but you have to look at the fact that they are arguing from different positions, one feeling the need for fixes today while the other feels time will help straighten this out. | ||
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bwally
United States670 Posts
What if the reason TL denied the invite is because they wanted Tyler's face on the front page of the EG tournament site :D. Then would it be proper for Colbi to say, "oh TL declined the invite because they wanted tyler's face on the eg site." Or Colbi could just say for ANY reason..."TL declined the invite." You can replace the tyler's face request with anything else that may be really unreasonable for EG etc. I think Tyler and Jinro at least think that the reason TL didn't accept the invite would HELP them more than hurt them if it was aired publicly so that is the reason they are making a big fuss of the being deceptive crap. Edit: Fixed some wording. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:21 Cathasaigh wrote: Did you even listen? He said tvp was the hardest matchup but other than that he didn't say terran was the most under powered. Sure it is when you go for the eco build. You could get denied (the risk). Blizzard keeps changing the bunker build time also to help the 14 hatch builds. Hell a lot of changes have been made to keep that build viable. Now blizzard has to make it to where you can scout like everyone else and have eco advantage? I disagree. I say leave it a risk. | ||
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:21 Cathasaigh wrote: Did you even listen? He said tvp was the hardest matchup but other than that he didn't say terran was the most under powered. He didn't need to say it because everyone on the panel knows that Idra thought of T as weak... | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:10 RaLakedaimon wrote: Idra will always whine and complain no matter what he's involved in, he's immature and thinks he's always better than all those around him, seeing that last night was very funny and i enjoyed the episode (cept for nony and incontrol part that was just blah). Cant believe anyone goes against day9 because he didnt wanna get into some big long drawn out argument against idra, the guy will always act like that so theres no point, i'd love to see him race switch, suddenly the new race he plays would be shit and everyone else would be imba, would love to see him leave the community, his cons far outweigh his pros. Even if he switched races he'd come up with an all new set of factors about the race to complain about and he'd have a whole new set of followers that listened to his everyword. Whatever race idra is playing is automatically the weakest race. Remember that  | ||
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Vysage
United States117 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:25 bwally wrote: This has probably already been said before in this thread but Incontrol summed it up perfectly. What if the reason TL denied the invite is because they wanted Tyler's face on the front page of the EG tournament site :D. Then would it be proper for Colbi to say, "oh TL declined the invite because they wanted tyler's face on the eg site." Or Colbi could just say for ANY reason..."TL declined the invite." You can replace the tyler's face request with anything else that may be really unreasonable for EG etc. I think Tyler and Jinro at least think that the reason they weren't invited would HELP them more than hurt them if it was aired publicly so that is the reason they are making a big fuss of the being deceptive crap. But if TL wanted tyler's face on eg site, then the whole community would be mad against TL for that boring kind of advertising. So TL would never do that: they just asked for something that should gave them a fair fight against other team, considering the number of korean players and european players they have. And that's why most of the community is just standing behind them, because they agreed that this demand is fair. | ||
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Ohmboy
United States61 Posts
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SKtheAnathema
United States885 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:19 Cathasaigh wrote: Or if you actually listened to the numerous times idra has been asked why he doesn't just switch races you would know that he's already said he enjoys zerg the most, balance changes will come eventually, and that the amount of time it takes to switch races isn't worth it anyways cause it would mean that he would suck ass for a couple months while learning a new race (that he likes less than zerg) whether it's easy or not. lol, so knowing how idra is, lemme ask you which is more likely: idra will cry about losing regardless of race or idra "enjoys zerg" (aka enjoys losing for now), believes balance patches will eventually favor him and he'll no longer lose to people "he's better than", and that it'll actually take a godly player like idra to learn easy-mode terran/toss in less than the time it'll take for zerg to be properly balanced? either way, crying about it still isn't useful. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
Even if he switched races he'd come up with an all new set of factors about the race to complain about and he'd have a whole new set of followers that listened to his everyword. Whatever race idra is playing is automatically the weakest race. Remember that So many people not understanding; just because someone is bias does not mean you should disregard everything they say. Sure I get sick of Idra whining, I'm sure everyone does (except maybe Artosis), that does not mean he, from time to time, has real valid points. | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
Why does that matter? I was responding to someone who said idra said it was the most under powered race in brood war when his most recent statement said otherwise. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:25 WhiteDog wrote: Yeah, and it's easier for you to state that fact rather than argue with anyone on balance. yeah, it is lol i remember talking to a friend of mine who is a good bw player, just started playing sc2 seriously he insists that terran is clearly the weakest race(he plays terran). IMMVP said terran is weakest too. apparently there are other top terrans who do too. [I think saying terran is the weakest is actually hilarious though] idra thinks zerg is the weakest. he's not the only top zerg who thinks so MC said he thought protoss was a little UP, right? I kinda think that too, though I am not a top pro. I play protoss. So my conclusion is, just listen to people who seriously analyze the game but aren't invested in a race. People like day9. Other than that, look at statistics from higher level tournaments. Everything else is biased as shit and worthless I didn't even watch this episode btw. But I am going to because I heard it's a good watch. | ||
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bwally
United States670 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:30 WhiteDog wrote: But if TL wanted tyler's face on eg site, then the whole community would be mad against TL for that boring kind of advertising. So TL would never do that, they asked for something that should gave them a fair fight against other team, considering the number of korean players and european players they have. And that's why most of the community is just standing behind them, because they agreed that this demand is fair. No the point was to confront Tyler's logic about being deceptive and TELLING everything that happened behind closed doors. In a hypothetical what if TL requested something ridiculous, should Colbi have said TL declined because of X and it made TL look bad, because otherwise it would be deceptive according to Tyler? | ||
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Tranqje
Belgium89 Posts
It's not because he feels there's fundemental flaws with the zerg race he isn't trying to win and play well. | ||
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akomatic
156 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:16 Lomak wrote: If you don't enjoy the heated debates about controversial topics on the show called "State of the game" then maybe you are watching the wrong fucking program. I'd suggest someone of your mental capacity go check out the show "jersey shore" seems right up your alley bro. I counted the argument as a loss by Idra the moment he went into a heated, simplistic rant about early game ZvT. It's a waste of time to discuss the "b" word without a large commitment of time, hundreds of replays, and a large dataset. If you can be lead to believe that zerg is imbalanced from intuition and hashing of a few cherry-picked facts, then you can be lead to believe anything. Like danson and Tasteless, I just tuned out and switched tabs when they started chasing eachother's tail. And don't remind people that our country makes shows like Jersey Shore and that people watch them. | ||
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Deleted User 108965
1096 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:30 Ohmboy wrote: I'm watching the vod of ep. 37 right now and I just got to the part where Geoff just attacked Tyler's sponsorship with Stride gum. That was pretty immature, regardless of the debate at hand, IMO. Basically Geoff trying to bait Tyler into saying that he doesn't like his sponsor's product. Geoff you make me sad sometimes he was on the debate team man, he shows no mercy! | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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