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On October 18 2010 08:39 timbo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 08:37 Kazang wrote:On October 18 2010 08:22 kojinshugi wrote:On October 18 2010 07:18 Defacer wrote:On October 18 2010 07:01 Yaotzin wrote:On October 18 2010 06:37 timbo wrote:
Guys on the podcast need to stop questioning him and accept hes easily one of the best foregin SC2 players atm.
No he's not. He has good/abusive (don't mean that in a negative way) tvp but his tvz was risible. IdrA demolished him in an embarassing fashion. That's really not fair. Idra destroyed EVERYONE in an embarassing fashion. I'm not saying that Select's TvZ is good, but most people's Anything v Idra is going to look weak. If anything, I took Select's comment during the game of not having Zerg's to practice against as a compliment to Idra. Because he's right. There's not a Zerg in NA that comes close to Idra's skill level. Idra didn't destroy Qxc in an embarassing fashion. Or Kiwikaki. Select beat Kiwi too.
Select beating Kiwi, who didn't lose to Idra in an embarrassing fashion, does not excuse Select for losing to Idra in an embarrassing fashion.
The point is that Select's TvZ isn't spectacular. Qxc's TvZ putting idra on the ropes shows that there was at least one Terran capable of competing with IdrA. The fact that Kiwi's PvZ also pressured idra while Kiwi's PvT lost to Select's TvP says nothing about Select's TvZ.
Select basically said his TvZ is bad because he doesn't practice it enough. I don't know why people so far removed are taking an opposing position...
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On October 18 2010 08:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Select beating Kiwi, who didn't lose to Idra in an embarrassing fashion, does not excuse Select for losing to Idra in an embarrassing fashion.
The point is that Select's TvZ isn't spectacular. Qxc's TvZ putting idra on the ropes shows that there was at least one Terran capable of competing with IdrA. The fact that Kiwi's PvZ also pressured idra while Kiwi's PvT lost to Select's TvP says nothing about Select's TvZ.
Select basically said his TvZ is bad because he doesn't practice it enough. I don't know why people so far removed are taking an opposing position...
What do you mean by that?
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I believe he means people who aren't part of the situation, using only hearsay, are making assumptions
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Great cast guys. Stuff like this that A) makes me laugh my ass off and B) gives me insight into the personality behind the players just makes me want to support the scene even more.... so keep it up... and SC2 will dominate the U.S.
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I love how iNcontroL said SeleCT is bad on the thursday podcast before MLG. Quite ironic how things turned out
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On October 18 2010 09:35 bLuR wrote:
I love how iNcontroL said SeleCT is bad on the thursday podcast before MLG. Quite ironic how things turned out
I thought he said "he isn't impressive or striking as someone who will take the tourney". Also IdrA made a remark about how the finals were boring and easy. Like Qxc was hard but Select was ez or something basically.
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On October 18 2010 09:06 Kazang wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 08:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Select beating Kiwi, who didn't lose to Idra in an embarrassing fashion, does not excuse Select for losing to Idra in an embarrassing fashion.
The point is that Select's TvZ isn't spectacular. Qxc's TvZ putting idra on the ropes shows that there was at least one Terran capable of competing with IdrA. The fact that Kiwi's PvZ also pressured idra while Kiwi's PvT lost to Select's TvP says nothing about Select's TvZ.
Select basically said his TvZ is bad because he doesn't practice it enough. I don't know why people so far removed are taking an opposing position... What do you mean by that?
Yeah i wondered what that meant too. Don't really know the opposition being taken either.
Of course Select beating Kiwi means nothing about his TvZ. Its abit harsh to say the loss to Idra was in an embarrasing fashion though. I mean its losing to Idra... I think Idra is a better player than him anyway. Im just trying to stick up for Select who seems to have got more criticism than praise for the crazy amount of top players he took down on his way to the finals. I don't really understand the reasoning. It seems as though if it had been a different player doing as well people would have be having a different attitude.
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I hate that 90% of my posts on this forum sound like brown-nosing fan-boy spam, but as the Official State of the Game Podcast has become a fairly regular part of my weekly rituals I figured I'd like to thank you guys for taking time out of your schedules to put this together each week.
Its entertaining, and helpful for aspiring nerds... so... thanks.
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On October 18 2010 09:40 blitzkrieger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 09:35 bLuR wrote:
I love how iNcontroL said SeleCT is bad on the thursday podcast before MLG. Quite ironic how things turned out I thought he said "he isn't impressive or striking as someone who will take the tourney". Also IdrA made a remark about how the finals were boring and easy. Like Qxc was hard but Select was ez or something basically.
He isnt impressive but he won 12 or 13 Bo3s? Exactly what i was saying, irony.
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Does anyone have a link to the weapon of choice thing they were talking about on the minicast?
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On October 18 2010 09:43 timbo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 09:06 Kazang wrote:On October 18 2010 08:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Select beating Kiwi, who didn't lose to Idra in an embarrassing fashion, does not excuse Select for losing to Idra in an embarrassing fashion.
The point is that Select's TvZ isn't spectacular. Qxc's TvZ putting idra on the ropes shows that there was at least one Terran capable of competing with IdrA. The fact that Kiwi's PvZ also pressured idra while Kiwi's PvT lost to Select's TvP says nothing about Select's TvZ.
Select basically said his TvZ is bad because he doesn't practice it enough. I don't know why people so far removed are taking an opposing position... What do you mean by that? Of course Select beating Kiwi means nothing about his TvZ. Its abit harsh to say the loss to Idra was in an embarrasing fashion though. I mean its losing to Idra... I think Idra is a better player than him anyway.
This is the kind of opposition he's talking about, just because it was a loss against Idra does not mean that his TvZ isn't sub-par. It is. Select has said as much which was the point Tyler was making you don't have to defend it just because he did really well vs largely P and T opponents.
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On October 18 2010 08:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Select beating Kiwi, who didn't lose to Idra in an embarrassing fashion, does not excuse Select for losing to Idra in an embarrassing fashion.
The point is that Select's TvZ isn't spectacular. Qxc's TvZ putting idra on the ropes shows that there was at least one Terran capable of competing with IdrA. The fact that Kiwi's PvZ also pressured idra while Kiwi's PvT lost to Select's TvP says nothing about Select's TvZ.
Select basically said his TvZ is bad because he doesn't practice it enough. I don't know why people so far removed are taking an opposing position...
I don't think anyone here can argue that Select's TvZ is good.
What I was originally arguing is that there is nothing that embarassing about losing to Idra. Lot's of people lose to Idra. There were two players that challenged Idra during the entire tournament and Idra handed their asses back to them lost.
The only person that really, REALLY lost in embarassing fashion was Huk, for basically deciding not to try after losing three games in the ENTIRE tournament.
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On October 18 2010 09:51 bLuR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 09:40 blitzkrieger wrote:On October 18 2010 09:35 bLuR wrote:
I love how iNcontroL said SeleCT is bad on the thursday podcast before MLG. Quite ironic how things turned out I thought he said "he isn't impressive or striking as someone who will take the tourney". Also IdrA made a remark about how the finals were boring and easy. Like Qxc was hard but Select was ez or something basically. He isnt impressive but he won 12 or 13 Bo3s? Exactly what i was saying, irony.
Yes, it was weird how they would give props to someone like Agh but kind of brush off Select. I don't care how weak someone's TvZ is, some of the Tosses he beat were excellent players.
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On October 18 2010 09:57 Dingobloo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 09:43 timbo wrote:On October 18 2010 09:06 Kazang wrote:On October 18 2010 08:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Select beating Kiwi, who didn't lose to Idra in an embarrassing fashion, does not excuse Select for losing to Idra in an embarrassing fashion.
The point is that Select's TvZ isn't spectacular. Qxc's TvZ putting idra on the ropes shows that there was at least one Terran capable of competing with IdrA. The fact that Kiwi's PvZ also pressured idra while Kiwi's PvT lost to Select's TvP says nothing about Select's TvZ.
Select basically said his TvZ is bad because he doesn't practice it enough. I don't know why people so far removed are taking an opposing position... What do you mean by that? Of course Select beating Kiwi means nothing about his TvZ. Its abit harsh to say the loss to Idra was in an embarrasing fashion though. I mean its losing to Idra... I think Idra is a better player than him anyway. This is the kind of opposition he's talking about, just because it was a loss against Idra does not mean that his TvZ isn't sub-par. It is. Select has said as much which was the point Tyler was making you don't have to defend it just because he did really well vs largely P and T opponents.
Well i don't think ive really seen anyone argue that Selects TvZ is good. I personally dont think ive seen enough of it to know.
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All i have to say is, stay classy incontrol. I love you
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It's almost unimaginable how I can rant at slasher for taking things I didn't say too seriously and running with them then I read this thread and hear complaints that I said select won't adapt or something is garb. I'd explain but I did that like 4x on the podcast seems like a lost cause.
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On October 18 2010 10:13 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
It's almost unimaginable how I can rant at slasher for taking things I didn't say too seriously and running with them then I read this thread and hear complaints that I said select won't adapt or something is garb. I'd explain but I did that like 4x on the podcast seems like a lost cause.
haters gonna hate. fanboys will always be fanboys. you guys are making a fine podcast, so don't let these guys change that.
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On October 18 2010 10:19 fush wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 10:13 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
It's almost unimaginable how I can rant at slasher for taking things I didn't say too seriously and running with them then I read this thread and hear complaints that I said select won't adapt or something is garb. I'd explain but I did that like 4x on the podcast seems like a lost cause. haters gonna hate. fanboys will always be fanboys. you guys are making a fine podcast, so don't let these guys change that.
agreed. keep up the good work.
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On October 18 2010 10:13 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
It's almost unimaginable how I can rant at slasher for taking things I didn't say too seriously and running with them then I read this thread and hear complaints that I said select won't adapt or something is garb. I'd explain but I did that like 4x on the podcast seems like a lost cause.
Don't bother explaining yourself b/c they are too dense. You are not only a great player but you are an entertainer who makes SotG 10x better. The people who aren't retarded KNOW you are kidding and aren't up in arms against the people you make fun of or poke at. People just need to relax.
Its like that "Artosis exaggerates" speech, Incontrol is a comedian, don't take offense to everything because its not literal to the book. Calm down.
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On October 18 2010 09:06 Kazang wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2010 08:47 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Select beating Kiwi, who didn't lose to Idra in an embarrassing fashion, does not excuse Select for losing to Idra in an embarrassing fashion.
The point is that Select's TvZ isn't spectacular. Qxc's TvZ putting idra on the ropes shows that there was at least one Terran capable of competing with IdrA. The fact that Kiwi's PvZ also pressured idra while Kiwi's PvT lost to Select's TvP says nothing about Select's TvZ.
Select basically said his TvZ is bad because he doesn't practice it enough. I don't know why people so far removed are taking an opposing position... What do you mean by that?
I mean far removed like no connection to the discussion... if select himself says something about himself, he says it with absolute authority -- he's not removed at all. If one of his practice partners says something about him, then they're a little bit removed, but they'd probably know pretty well. If some top Terran player who has seen all of select's recent matches gives an analysis of the relative strengths of his matchups, then he doesn't have any personal insight, so he's removed in that respect, but he has all the professional insight you can ask for. If some veteran SC player who has been to a ton of tournaments and has been following the SC2 scene and was at this particular event makes a comment, they're somewhat relevant.
So it seems kinda weird when you have all these people who are close to the situation (most importantly, select himself) saying one thing and then you have people who are far removed from the situation taking an opposite stance and trying to reason out some supporting arguments for it.
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